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  Soy, Pipe observations RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-31 16:26 +0000
    Re: Soy, Pipe, HN observations RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-31 16:47 +0000
    Re: Soy, Pipe observations wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-03-31 16:58 +0000
      Re: Soy, Pipe observations RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-31 17:12 +0000
    Re: Soy, Pipe observations "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-04-02 15:42 -0600
      Re: Soy, Pipe observations RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-04-03 14:05 +0000

#2169 — Soy, Pipe observations

Interesting evolution and gradual improvement of both sites that spun
out of the Slashcott.

Over at Soylent, they're continuing to try to figure out how to make
the site run.  There's a "mission statement" of sorts posted 7 March by
a user named Weeds, who seems to be well-versed in what 'management' is
thinking.  http://soylentnews.org/~weeds/journal/  Here's a clip:

//----begin clip
Friday March 07, 14: Mid course correction
12:04 PM Soylent Vision, et al
We went at this backwards. We went after the technology first and then
defining the purpose second. Our attitude has been, "Get the technology
going and then we will figure out how to be managers and exactly what
we are trying to do." Hire a bunch of machinists, give them some
drawings, raw materials, and machinery and start making stuff. Worry
about how to run it, how to fund it, etc. later.

Step one, define our vision, mission province, and charter. If we had
had this from the start, things might not have gone the way they have.
STOP THE TRAIN and do this NOW!
//----end clip

Meanwhile, over at Pipedot, Bryan has enabled selected Unicode, and is
sponsoring a contest with a $300 prize to design a logo.  More here:
http://pipedot.org/story/2014-03-31/logo-contest-and-other-updates
There's also this from a week earlier:
http://pipedot.org/story/2014-03-24/pipedot-status-update

Soylent has the bigger crowd at the moment: articles typically get
10-50 comments, while Pipedot articles usually get fewer than ten.
There's some overlap in articles between the sites (and some overlap
with comp.misc too, of course) which is partially helpful and partially
hurtful and partially unimportant.  It will sort itself out, probably.

One interesting comparison in my opinion is that while Pipedot started
from scratch and is adding features, it's heading quickly to feature
parity and is already more usable than Slashcode in interesting ways,
and it seems to be a cleaner codebase that will permit lots of
experimentation.  The Soybeans have got Slashcode up and running, but I
haven't seen any changes to the site since it came to be.  I think
they're working on load balancing and the like.  On the other hand, I
like Slashcode, so no complaints.

I'm still hitting Hacker News pretty frequently, which has a huge
community and a lot of interesting articles.  But it seems particularly
prone to coder/entrepreneur wankfest articles like "Why I built my
responsibe web app using node.js and not X" which turn out to just be
personal blog rants with a relatively unscientific feel to them.  On
the other hand, it seems the nerdiest news for nerds site out there at
present. 

It's a wealth of riches at the moment.

-- 
RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>

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#2171 — Re: Soy, Pipe, HN observations

On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 16:26:35 +0000
RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:

> Interesting evolution and gradual improvement of both sites that spun
> out of the Slashcott.
 
> I'm still hitting Hacker News pretty frequently, which has a huge
> community and a lot of interesting articles.  But it seems particularly
> prone to coder/entrepreneur wankfest articles like "Why I built my
> responsibe web app using node.js and not X" which turn out to just be
> personal blog rants with a relatively unscientific feel to them.  On
> the other hand, it seems the nerdiest news for nerds site out there at
> present. 

Wish I'd waited a second longer, to add this clip from Hacker News,
which is going to be run by another team now that Mr. Graham is
stepping down.  (HN is bigger than I thought: this page has received
80,559 views as I post this).  For me, it's interesting to see HN
struggling with 'decaying comment threads.'

http://blog.ycombinator.com/meet-the-people-taking-over-hacker-news

//---- Clip
Finally, I'm delighted to announce that Daniel Gackle (pronounced
Gackley), who has already been doing most of the moderation for the
last 18 months, is going to join YC full-time to be in charge of the HN
community.  Many HN users know Daniel as gruseom, though now he's going
to switch to the slightly more legit sounding dang. Daniel is one of
most thoughtful (in both senses of the word) people I've ever met. It
kills him when people say mean, stupid things in comment threads.
Moderating an anonymous forum is hard, and the fact that we get roughly
equal grief for HN comments being bad and for being too quick to ban
people is a sign he's been doing a good job so far.  He has plans for
new tools that may not merely arrest the decay of HN comment threads,
but actually improve them.
//---- Clip

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#2173

On 2014-03-31, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> Interesting evolution and gradual improvement of both sites that spun
> out of the Slashcott.
>
> ...<snip>... 
>
> Soylent has the bigger crowd at the moment: articles typically get
> 10-50 comments, while Pipedot articles usually get fewer than ten.
> There's some overlap in articles between the sites (and some overlap
> with comp.misc too, of course) which is partially helpful and partially
> hurtful and partially unimportant.  It will sort itself out, probably.
>
> ...<snip>...
>
> It's a wealth of riches at the moment.
>

Meanwhile, technocrat.net seems to have died again, with no new
submissions in over two weeks and still very few comments on the last
few to get posted. I think Mr. Perens shot himself in the foot by
censoring parts of posts that he felt didn't add to the discussion. On
top of that, he spent all his time developing the back-end without
engaging the community or making the site pleasant to use.

Squte.com is looking better than ever. I'm still fond of it, but I
find myself using slrn almost exclusively to read newsgroups now. One
reason for that may simply be that I've fallen back in love with
command-line and terminal applications, especially jed, mutt, and
slrn.

By the way, Randy... I'm not sure how you have the energy to read and
post as much as you do. I hit information overload a couple of weeks
ago, and have reverted to (mostly) lurker mode for the time being.

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#2175

> 
> By the way, Randy... I'm not sure how you have the energy to read and
> post as much as you do. I hit information overload a couple of weeks
> ago, and have reverted to (mostly) lurker mode for the time being.

It's more fun than my day job :) and I am lucky to have a work
environment that permits this: a shell account with an RSS reader as
described, and a Usenet client running from a pendrive.  If they ever
clamp down on my IT situation it will be the last you ever hear from me.  :)

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#2226

> www.Soylentnews.org just rolled out a big code deployment today actually 

Story titles are now clickable, which is nice, but navigating collapsed comments 
is still awkward. 
Pipedot has a very slick way of hiding and collapsing comments, but it only works 
for logged in users, and only with javascript enabled. 
In time all three sites should get something that's the best of Pipedot's and 
squte's comments, but it might take longest with soylentnews because the code is 
so crufty. 

-- 
regards
~tdk
View this thread at http://squte.com/node/5675#comment-23294

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#2236

On 2014-04-02, tdk <forum.tdk@squte.com> wrote:
>
>> www.Soylentnews.org just rolled out a big code deployment today actually 
>
> Story titles are now clickable, which is nice, but navigating
> collapsed comments is still awkward.  Pipedot has a very slick way of
> hiding and collapsing comments, but it only works for logged in users,
> and only with javascript enabled.  In time all three sites should get
> something that's the best of Pipedot's and squte's comments, but it
> might take longest with soylentnews because the code is so crufty. 


Looks like they are slowly redoing buttons too.  Several buttons now
seem to be done in CSS.  It's a bit of a mishmash, actually, but I guess
that is what slow progress looks like.  

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