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  Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-21 14:16 +0000
    Re: Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-21 17:33 +0100
      Re: Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement cykros@devio.us - 2014-02-23 05:39 +0000
    Re: Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-22 07:01 +0000
      Re: Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-22 14:14 +0000
        Re: Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-22 15:49 +0100
          Re: Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-22 15:46 +0000
        Re: Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-22 17:30 +0000
    Re: Tox  A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-22 14:33 +0000
      Re: Tox  A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement "jonh" <jon@nada-sub.co.uk> - 2014-02-22 23:10 +0000

#660 — Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement

 http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1yhp9a/tox_a_free_as_in_fre
edom_skype_replacement/


Ignore the first sentence: "The internet was created for
 communication". Actually, no it wasn't.  Otherwise, here's a link
 to something that looks interesting.  

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#671

On 2014-02-21, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>  http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1yhp9a/tox_a_free_as_in_fre
> edom_skype_replacement/
>
>
> Ignore the first sentence: "The internet was created for
>  communication". Actually, no it wasn't. 

I think it was. WWW was not, at least not for bi-directional
communication. Thanks for the link. To make up ones mind will probably
take some time, since it is a cmomples topic and apparently clients to
collect some first hand experience are a bit sparse, but I was looking
for a nice Skype replacement for home for some time now, so it's
definitely interesting.

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#749

q.kontinuum <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2014-02-21, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>>  http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1yhp9a/tox_a_free_as_in_fre
>> edom_skype_replacement/
>>
>>
>> Ignore the first sentence: "The internet was created for
>>  communication". Actually, no it wasn't. 
> 
> I think it was. WWW was not, at least not for bi-directional
> communication. Thanks for the link. To make up ones mind will probably
> take some time, since it is a cmomples topic and apparently clients to
> collect some first hand experience are a bit sparse, but I was looking
> for a nice Skype replacement for home for some time now, so it's
> definitely interesting.

Jitsi is also worth looking into.  It uses true p2p encrypted sessions, and
works otherwise as an xmpp client.  Downside is, it's java.  But it works, 
and has a reasonable enough interface. 

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#686

In message <le7n6a$kfe$1@solani.org> 
  RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>  http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1yhp9a/tox_a_free_as_in_freedom_skype_replacement/

Interesting.

> Ignore the first sentence: "The internet was created for
> communication". Actually, no it wasn't.

Yes, it most certainly was.

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#702

On 2014-02-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <le7n6a$kfe$1@solani.org> 
>   RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting.
>
>> Ignore the first sentence: "The internet was created for
>> communication". Actually, no it wasn't.
>
> Yes, it most certainly was.

Reading about the birth of ARPAnet and etc. it seems to me it was
created to distribute computing loads across different systems, so you
could write your code on one machine, compile it elsewhere, and install
it on a third machine.  You could make different computing systems
available to scientists and technicians in different localities.  I
think the communicative nature arose as those scientists began to talk
to each other, share data, etc.  But my impression is that the real
initial impetus was to allow scientists and programmers to access
powerful systems to do their work.

Twitter was an afterthought, then.  And Facebook was an accident (or a
travesty) :)

I highly recommend the following two books as they cover this stuff as
well as some other ancient history like gopher, eric, WAIS, BBS,
Fidonet, and the like (the reason I bought them):

Inventing the Internet, by Janet Abbate (2000) 
A Brief History of the Future, by John Naughton (2000)

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#705

On 2014-02-22, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:

> Reading about the birth of ARPAnet and etc. it seems to me it was
> created to distribute computing loads across different systems, so you
> could write your code on one machine, compile it elsewhere, and install
> it on a third machine. 

So the machines communicate with each other. Maybe we have different
definitions of communication in mind, maybe the original article as
well. 
 
# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_protocol
#Within computer science, a communications protocol is a system of
#digital rules for data exchange within or between computers. When
#data is exchanged through a computer network, the rules system is
#called a network protocol. 


# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET#History
#The earliest ideas for a computer network intended to allow general
#communications among computer users were formulated by computer
#scientist J. C. R. Licklider of Bolt, Beranek and Newman (BBN), in
#April 1963, in memoranda discussing his concept for an "Intergalactic
#Computer Network". Those ideas contained almost everything that
#composes the contemporary Internet. In October 1963, Licklider was
#appointed head of the Behavioral Sciences and Command and Control
#programs at the Defense Department's Advanced Research Projects
#Agency—ARPA (the initial ARPANET acronym). He then convinced Ivan
#Sutherland and Bob Taylor that this computer network concept was very
#important and merited development, although Licklider left ARPA
#before any contracts were let that worked on this concept.[5]

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#710

On 2014-02-22, q.kontinuum <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2014-02-22, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>
>> Reading about the birth of ARPAnet and etc. it seems to me it was
>> created to distribute computing loads across different systems, so you
>> could write your code on one machine, compile it elsewhere, and install
>> it on a third machine. 
>
> So the machines communicate with each other. Maybe we have different
> definitions of communication in mind, maybe the original article as
> well. 

OK, by your definition, that would be correct.  I was thinking more
along the lines of "people posting pictures of stuff they are planning
to eat."

And by that definition, this Oatmeal comic is germane:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/incredible_photos

I love the opening: "Whoa! 3 or more people I know are eating food at a
restaurant!  This incredibly unique experience cannot pass us by without
a group photo!"

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#712

In message <leabbd$pc7$1@solani.org> 
  RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> On 2014-02-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <le7n6a$kfe$1@solani.org> 
>>   RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting.
>>
>>> Ignore the first sentence: "The internet was created for
>>> communication". Actually, no it wasn't.
>>
>> Yes, it most certainly was.

> Reading about the birth of ARPAnet and etc. it seems to me it was
> created to distribute computing loads across different systems,

No, it was created primarily so that researchers at different computer
clusters could communicate with each other, sharing information and
data. The nature of its basis in TCP/IP and packets was designed around
being able to 'talk' to another machine. It does very little for
distributed computing, and there are (and were) better ways to do that.

TCP/IP and sockets are convenient, especially if the links between
systems are very fast, with low latency or if the data being shared is
(relatively) small.

So, query a database over TCP/IP to get a text record? Sure. Do the same
thing to pull out a very large image or video for processing? Not so
much.

> so you could write your code on one machine, compile it elsewhere, and
> install it on a third machine.  You could make different computing
> systems available to scientists and technicians in different
> localities.

Mostly on the basis of logging on to that different location over
something like rlogin and then being 'local' to that different location,
which is communication.

> I think the communicative nature arose as those scientists began to
> talk to each other, share data, etc.  But my impression is that the
> real initial impetus was to allow scientists and programmers to access
> powerful systems to do their work.

The communication was there from the very beginning and is why we
have TCP/IP.

> Twitter was an afterthought, then.  And Facebook was an accident (or a
> travesty) :)

Neither Twitter nor Facebook have anything to do with the creation of
the Internet.

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#729 — Re: Tox A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement

> The biggest unknown is whether the protocol can gain enough critical mass to displace 
> the existing messaging apps�if all the people I want to talk to are still using 
> Skype, then I can only use Skype to talk to them. I guess some evangelism might 
> be in order...

Some IM clients, like pidgin, support multiple protocols e.g. skype + jabber. So 
you can use this while you wait for your friends to switch.

BTW,  Welcome to s'qute, it's great  to see you using the site.
To make sure your posts get seen by as many people as possible you might want to 
set up a Usenet server:

To do this,  go to  http://www.eternal-september.org/RegisterNewsAccount.php, and 
get an account.
Then click here http://squte.com/user/1530/newshost

Enter these details in:

Host Name: reader80.eternal-september.org

Login Name: your e-s username

Login Password: your e-s password

Host Port: 80

Then any comments you make on s'qute are automatically sent to Usenet and people 
can see them who use other clients to access the group.






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#748 — Re: Tox A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement

Thanks for the clear instructions—I've attempted to follow them. I guess 
we'll find out how successful I was if this message hits Usenet…
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