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  AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-09 12:20 -0800
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 09:54 -0500
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 07:38 -0800
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-11 08:20 +0000
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-10 15:37 +0000
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 07:42 -0800
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-10 10:53 -0500
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-10 15:59 +0000
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 08:44 -0800
            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-10 19:46 +0000
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Bill McGonigle <bill+usenet+2014@mcgonigle.us> - 2014-02-10 13:07 -0500
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 11:05 -0800
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-11 04:24 +0424
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org John Brownalt <deconfliction@filteredperception.org> - 2014-02-11 11:36 +0000
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-11 11:01 +1101
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 10:30 -0800
            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-11 14:26 -0500
              Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 13:55 -0800
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 06:29 +0629
                  Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-12 09:12 -0800
                    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 15:52 +0000
                      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "wjwlsn" <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-12 17:56 +0000
                        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-14 04:42 +0442
                          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-14 07:11 +0711
                          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org True Satan <true_satan@fastmail.co.uk> - 2014-02-14 13:27 +0000
                            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-14 08:33 +0833
                          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-15 12:19 +0100
                            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-15 13:26 +1326
                              Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-15 13:49 +1349
                              Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-15 22:07 +0100
                            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-16 05:51 +0551
                              Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-16 15:18 +0100
                                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-17 06:07 +0607
                      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org 2phar <usenet9918@schartz.net> - 2014-02-12 19:03 -0500
                        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-13 04:45 +0445
            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 04:44 +0444
            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-12 11:24 +0000
            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 09:24 +0924
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-11 05:48 +0548
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org TrueSatan <true_satan@fastmail.co.uk> - 2014-02-11 12:22 +0000
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 04:00 +0400
            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 12:51 +0100
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-16 18:04 -0800
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-17 00:02 -0800
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-17 09:08 +0100
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-17 09:56 -0500
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-17 16:27 +0000
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 09:38 -0500

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#289

> It all sounds good, and the link you gave shows a clearly > thought through 
system wioth a good deal of detail to it (you > obviously put considerable 
thought and effort into it). My > positive feelings towards the proposal 
notwithstanding > who will code this system, support the development of the 
code > and when will even an early alpha be available? > In the mean time we 
have a workable system tghat we are using > right now...there's nothing wrong 
with having a dream, wonderful > things can start that way, but we also have 
to keep to practical > realities that are available at this time. 

My feelings are that when someone contributes to a community site they are 
making an effort to help the community, being altruistic and giving their time 
to help others. But often, when it's a commercial site the owner can just 
hijack this and lock the original posters out of the site with a paywall or 
excessive advertising. 

So personally I don't contribute to commercial 'community' sites unless 
either: 

1 all content is duplicated on Usenet or a similar archived, open, network 

or 

2 the owner gives an absolute guarantee that they won't change the site 
without a vote by the users 

~tdk 
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#1676

I know that I am replying to an oldish post, but I am playing catchup here.

On 2014-02-12, tdk <forum.tdk@squte.com> wrote:
>
> It all sounds good, and the link you gave shows a clearly > thought
> through system wioth a good deal of detail to it (you > obviously put
> considerable thought and effort into it). My > positive feelings towards
> the proposal notwithstanding > who will code this system, support the
> development of the code > and when will even an early alpha be available?
> > In the mean time we have a workable system tghat we are using > right
> now...there's nothing wrong with having a dream, wonderful > things can
> start that way, but we also have to keep to practical > realities that are
> available at this time.
> 
> My feelings are that when someone contributes to a community site they are
> making an effort to help the community, being altruistic and giving their
> time to help others. But often, when it's a commercial site the owner can
> just hijack this and lock the original posters out of the site with a
> paywall or excessive advertising.

> So personally I don't contribute to commercial 'community' sites unless 
> either: 
>
> 1 all content is duplicated on Usenet or a similar archived, open, network 
>
> or 
>
> 2 the owner gives an absolute guarantee that they won't change the site 
> without a vote by the users 

I experienced 2) with a forum where most of the content was provided by
the users until the owner died in a tragic accident.  Unfortunately the
site ownership went to his next of kin who lived half way around the world
(so couldn't contribute to forum topics concerning local issues even if he
had wished to), and sold it to a commercial entity.  It went all too
predictably downhill from there.

Sometimes unavoidable shit happens :-(

-- 
Paul Sture

"In that case," said Napoleon, "let us wait twenty minutes; when the enemy
is making a false movement we must take good care not to interrupt him."

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#466

On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:20:29 PM UTC+1, Koen Lefever wrote:
> A message on /. claims that they have Bruce Perens on board.

Bruce Perens and Soylentnews.org are going different ways.

Perens is (re)starting his own site Technocrat.net on Tuesday, February 17th (which is weird, because the 17th is Monday).

quote:

"Technocrat.net is coming!

We have brand-new software (not a warmed-over old version of Slashdot's code) working, but with only the basic features. No moderation yet.

We are expecting to have a low-user-id land-rush on Tuesday February 17. We will be soliciting for volunteer editors then. "

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#469

On 2014-02-17 02:04:07 +0000, Koen Lefever said:

> On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:20:29 PM UTC+1, Koen Lefever wrote:
>> A message on /. claims that they have Bruce Perens on board.
> 
> Bruce Perens and Soylentnews.org are going different ways.
> 
> Perens is (re)starting his own site Technocrat.net on Tuesday, February 
> 17th (which is weird, because the 17th is Monday).
> 
> quote:
> 
> "Technocrat.net is coming!
> 
> We have brand-new software (not a warmed-over old version of Slashdot's 
> code) working, but with only the basic features. No moderation yet.
> 
> We are expecting to have a low-user-id land-rush on Tuesday February 
> 17. We will be soliciting for volunteer editors then. "

Nice, we could become digital sharecroppers working on old Perens' 
plantation.  How awesome would that be?  I wonder if Massa' Perens will 
give volunteer editors food and a shack, or if they will work fo free?

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#471

On 2014-02-17, Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:20:29 PM UTC+1, Koen Lefever wrote:
>> A message on /. claims that they have Bruce Perens on board.
>
> Bruce Perens and Soylentnews.org are going different ways.
>
> Perens is (re)starting his own site Technocrat.net on Tuesday, February 17th (which is weird, because the 17th is Monday).
>
> quote:
>
> "Technocrat.net is coming!
>
> We have brand-new software (not a warmed-over old version of
> Slashdot's code) working, but with only the basic 
> features. No moderation yet.

So... What's the point?!? Divide and ... fail? Granted, I will have a
look there, but I will not add another dozen of websites + usenet to
replace slashdot. Sad to see the former slashdot community doesn't
work together on this and will fragment instead.

> We are expecting to have a low-user-id land-rush on Tuesday February 17. We will be soliciting for volunteer editors then. "

I never understood what's so important in having a short UID. Offering
a dysfunctional website and advertising the availability of low UIDs
sounds like in the future low UIDs will be an indicator of
overenthusiastic wannebes.


-- 
Trolling is a art!

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#486

On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 18:04:07 -0800 (PST), Koen Lefever
<koen.lefever@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:20:29 PM UTC+1, Koen Lefever wrote:
>> A message on /. claims that they have Bruce Perens on board.
>
>Bruce Perens and Soylentnews.org are going different ways.
>
>Perens is (re)starting his own site Technocrat.net on Tuesday, February 17th (which is weird, because the 17th is Monday).
>

Excellent. I'm all in favor of more slashdot-like sites, especially if
they are based on /.'s moderation/discussion system, if not its code.
Allowing moderation of comments by the general readership (and not a
select few) and anonymous commenting were two of the great strengths
of the original and I am glad to see it being used by other sites. We
had too many eggs in one basket with Dice. 

Hopefully this diaspora will also result in cleaner, more
easily-transferable code. From what I understand, even the people who
had left Slashdot years ago still looked fondly upon the comment
system, if not the other commentors/topics/editors. 

The sooner we get away from awful phpBB-type comment systems, the
better.

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#491

On 2014-02-17 14:56:25 +0000, Spalls Hurgenson said:

> On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 18:04:07 -0800 (PST), Koen Lefever
> <koen.lefever@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:20:29 PM UTC+1, Koen Lefever wrote:
>>> A message on /. claims that they have Bruce Perens on board.
>> 
>> Bruce Perens and Soylentnews.org are going different ways.
>> 
>> Perens is (re)starting his own site Technocrat.net on Tuesday, February 
>> 17th (which is weird, because the 17th is Monday).
>> 
> 
> Excellent. I'm all in favor of more slashdot-like sites, especially if
> they are based on /.'s moderation/discussion system, if not its code.
> Allowing moderation of comments by the general readership (and not a
> select few) and anonymous commenting were two of the great strengths
> of the original and I am glad to see it being used by other sites. We
> had too many eggs in one basket with Dice.
> 
> Hopefully this diaspora will also result in cleaner, more
> easily-transferable code. From what I understand, even the people who
> had left Slashdot years ago still looked fondly upon the comment
> system, if not the other commentors/topics/editors.
> 
> The sooner we get away from awful phpBB-type comment systems, the
> better.


Hear, hear – I'll visit both of them, and probably even visit Slashdot 
once in a while.  May the best site win!  I spend (or spent) a bit of 
time on http://www.osnews.com for a couple of years too, and the 
Register is still out there.  It seems like these oldies are being 
overtaken by sites like Ars Technica and the like, but I've never 
thought the content in the newer sites was that much better.  Even 
Kuro5hin could have a chance if someone wanted to gather up a community 
and get discussion going there.  It's a freaking wasteland now, though. 
 Dustballs blowing across the highway, etc.

I wonder what Bruce Perens is going to cook up?  Seems he'd have had 
better luck attracting a community if he'd worked together with the 
Slash Refugees …

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#527

On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:27:20 +0000, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
wrote:

>On 2014-02-17 14:56:25 +0000, Spalls Hurgenson said:

>> The sooner we get away from awful phpBB-type comment systems, the
>> better.
>
>
>Hear, hear – I'll visit both of them, and probably even visit Slashdot 
>once in a while.  May the best site win!  I spend (or spent) a bit of 
>time on http://www.osnews.com for a couple of years too, and the 
>Register is still out there.  

OSNews is a new one for me; I've added it to my collection of "tech
sites". I intend to continue to visit Slashdot regularly, until Dice's
antics become unbearable (which will probably be the day they force
the beta redesign on everyone and remove the classic option). But
until then, the site still provides me what I like. 

>It seems like these oldies are being 
>overtaken by sites like Ars Technica and the like, but I've never 
>thought the content in the newer sites was that much better.  Even 
>Kuro5hin could have a chance if someone wanted to gather up a community 
>and get discussion going there.  It's a freaking wasteland now, though. 
> Dustballs blowing across the highway, etc.


Ars is fine site, but it is designed around the concept that the
primary draw is its own articles, with the commentary being of
secondary importance. Fortunately, it has great articles so it is
worth reading, but they don't make me stick around. I need a piece of
info, I might check Ars for advice - but as soon as I get it, I'm off
to some other location. With Slashdot, I hang around to read all the
comments in one story, and then stick around to see what people say in
the next, and the next and...

In other words, Slashdot serves less to as a source of information
than as entertainment, but in doing so, gets more loyalty and traffic.


>I wonder what Bruce Perens is going to cook up?  Seems he'd have had 
>better luck attracting a community if he'd worked together with the 
>Slash Refugees …

According to a previous post in this thread,  he is reviving his site
technocrat.net today, in response to the slashdot fiasco

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