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| Started by | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| First post | 2014-05-19 15:44 +0000 |
| Last post | 2014-05-21 13:06 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 200 — 45 participants |
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Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-19 15:44 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-19 15:47 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-19 21:33 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-21 10:32 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-21 11:01 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-21 11:38 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-21 12:23 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2014-05-21 12:40 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-21 15:59 +0300
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-21 13:16 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-21 18:38 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-21 13:18 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2014-05-21 13:46 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-21 21:22 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-21 15:03 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-21 15:20 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2014-05-22 21:40 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-05-22 08:20 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-05-22 18:14 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-05-23 07:21 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn pechter@tucker.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2014-05-21 19:11 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-21 20:18 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-21 21:16 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-21 22:19 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-21 23:02 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-05-22 05:42 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-22 19:22 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-22 19:26 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-22 17:52 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-22 18:02 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-23 02:02 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-05-23 13:16 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-23 06:51 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-23 09:35 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-05-23 19:55 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2014-05-23 09:49 -0600
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-23 19:24 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2014-05-23 14:23 -0600
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-24 16:19 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-23 07:32 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-23 07:09 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-23 09:36 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-23 19:00 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-23 15:21 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-23 21:58 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-24 00:34 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 10:22 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-23 17:35 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-24 10:20 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-24 21:41 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-24 00:33 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2014-05-24 10:39 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-24 09:28 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-24 13:13 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-24 10:51 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-24 18:50 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-24 20:05 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stan Barr <plan.b@dsl.pipex.com> - 2014-05-24 16:22 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-24 19:30 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-26 09:36 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-26 15:01 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-26 22:02 +0300
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-26 19:17 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-26 15:40 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-26 22:14 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2014-05-25 22:30 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-26 05:02 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 20:34 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-24 13:36 +0300
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 16:29 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-24 14:47 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2014-05-25 22:43 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-25 17:56 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-26 11:49 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-26 14:18 +0300
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2014-05-28 17:46 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-28 20:11 +0300
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-28 13:29 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-28 19:19 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-05-29 14:10 -0700
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-30 00:42 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-05-30 05:48 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2014-05-29 18:00 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-29 13:17 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-05-30 15:57 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-30 11:29 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-30 15:55 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-05-30 20:32 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-31 08:50 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-06-01 10:11 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-06-01 16:07 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-29 18:42 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Lawrence Statton <lawrence@perl.mx> - 2014-05-29 14:15 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-29 15:32 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-28 19:13 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-05-28 14:44 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-05-28 22:45 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-30 11:10 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-05-29 05:48 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-26 13:26 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-26 13:06 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 12:35 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2014-05-28 17:49 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-28 13:06 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 14:16 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-30 04:47 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-30 11:41 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 21:05 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2014-05-30 19:16 +0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-26 13:02 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-26 18:44 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-26 21:10 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-26 21:14 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-26 21:45 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-26 23:59 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-26 23:44 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-27 11:35 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-26 20:25 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-05-26 13:38 -0700
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-05-27 13:59 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn polygonum <rmoudndgers@vrod.co.uk> - 2014-06-14 18:05 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-15 07:32 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-06-15 00:50 +0300
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-15 16:44 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-24 16:27 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-24 14:53 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "2ju" <2ju@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 06:59 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-24 22:44 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-29 13:40 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-29 20:01 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-24 19:01 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-25 00:58 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-25 13:17 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-05-26 17:08 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-25 10:17 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-22 09:54 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-22 15:56 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-05-22 14:07 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2014-05-23 12:44 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-21 08:20 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-05-22 17:58 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-23 00:00 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-22 18:12 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-23 09:50 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-23 18:37 +0300
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-24 16:59 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2014-05-23 16:22 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-23 12:08 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-23 12:03 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-23 21:58 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-24 03:20 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-24 13:11 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-24 21:47 -0400
What constitutes being a Yankee? [was Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2014-05-29 14:58 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-24 15:59 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2014-05-23 23:41 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-24 04:09 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-24 21:52 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-24 21:31 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-25 14:34 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2014-05-23 16:15 +0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-05-21 14:15 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2014-05-21 14:35 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2014-05-21 14:38 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-21 08:22 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-05-21 15:43 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-22 15:54 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2014-05-21 07:07 -0700
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-21 15:23 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-19 23:10 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-19 22:54 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-20 19:52 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-20 23:22 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-20 11:10 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-05-20 11:56 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-20 12:32 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-05-20 15:24 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2014-05-21 14:08 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-21 16:06 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-20 13:50 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Rob Brown <brown@greenslade.gmcl.internal> - 2014-05-20 19:49 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-21 10:35 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-20 21:11 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-20 21:20 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-20 13:45 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-05-21 05:31 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2014-05-21 09:35 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-05-20 15:14 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Rob Brown <brown@greenslade.gmcl.internal> - 2014-05-20 20:00 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-05-20 16:45 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-05-20 21:14 -0700
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-21 09:42 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-21 10:33 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2014-05-20 13:40 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-21 09:40 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-05-21 08:27 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-21 16:10 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-05-21 12:11 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-21 20:52 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2014-05-21 13:06 +0000
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| From | Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> |
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| Date | 2014-05-23 16:15 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <3mc35bxa3c.ln2@innovative.iinet.net.au> |
| In reply to | #2978 |
"Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >(Huge) writes: >> Interesting that although America has retained much obsolete British >> terminology, usage and units, they have discarded the stone. And the >> fortnight. >Maybe they just don't like the number 14. ObTangent: Traditional German currency of (Silver)Mark was divided as follows: 1 Silbermark = 8 Unze (ounce) = 16 Loth = 64 Quentchen = 256 Silberpfennig (silver penny) = 512 Heller Unfortunately, it "breaks" on further subdivision: = 4608 Korngran (grain) But is restored at = 65,536 Richtpfennig (standard pennies) Better than decimal currency. ;-) The base-2 division is "obvious" as the currency was based on the weight of precious metal. -- /"\ Bernd Felsche - Somewhere in Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | For every complex problem there is an X against HTML mail | answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. / \ and postings | --HL Mencken
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2014-05-21 14:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Hx2fv.2073749$pa5.1401900@fx23.iad> |
| In reply to | #2946 |
bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >In article <bu3k5kF1v2cU3@mid.individual.net>, > Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> writes: >> On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:38:19 +0000, Huge wrote: >> >>> On 2014-05-21, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote: >>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 10:32:48 +0000, Huge wrote: >>>> >>>>> Happy days, and as many free biscuits/bags of crisps as you could eat. >>>> >>>> Is that why you are Huge? :-) >>> >>> One of the reasons. It differs only by one letter from my given name, >>> I'm 6'3" and have been 20 stone in the past (although back down to 16.5 >>> at the moment), and it's what my friends have been calling me for >>> decades. >> >> I was a bit over 21 stone this time last year. I'm now a bit under 17 >> stone although I've kept it fairly static at 17 stone since Christmas. >> Aiming to lose a bit more now...! >> > >How big are those stones? Pebbles? Boulders? > >Sorry, here it is :-) 1 stone = 14 lbs. scott (12.7 stone, 4.2 cubits).
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| From | bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) |
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| Date | 2014-05-21 14:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bu3rspFboulU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2957 |
In article <Hx2fv.2073749$pa5.1401900@fx23.iad>, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: > bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>In article <bu3k5kF1v2cU3@mid.individual.net>, >> Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> writes: >>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:38:19 +0000, Huge wrote: >>> >>>> On 2014-05-21, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 10:32:48 +0000, Huge wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Happy days, and as many free biscuits/bags of crisps as you could eat. >>>>> >>>>> Is that why you are Huge? :-) >>>> >>>> One of the reasons. It differs only by one letter from my given name, >>>> I'm 6'3" and have been 20 stone in the past (although back down to 16.5 >>>> at the moment), and it's what my friends have been calling me for >>>> decades. >>> >>> I was a bit over 21 stone this time last year. I'm now a bit under 17 >>> stone although I've kept it fairly static at 17 stone since Christmas. >>> Aiming to lose a bit more now...! >>> >> >>How big are those stones? Pebbles? Boulders? >> >>Sorry, here it is :-) > > 1 stone = 14 lbs. > > scott (12.7 stone, 4.2 cubits). Cubits under which Pharaoh? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>
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| From | bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) |
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| Date | 2014-05-21 14:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bu3s38FbradU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2959 |
In article <bu3rspFboulU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > In article <Hx2fv.2073749$pa5.1401900@fx23.iad>, > scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >> bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>>In article <bu3k5kF1v2cU3@mid.individual.net>, >>> Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> writes: >>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:38:19 +0000, Huge wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2014-05-21, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 10:32:48 +0000, Huge wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Happy days, and as many free biscuits/bags of crisps as you could eat. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is that why you are Huge? :-) >>>>> >>>>> One of the reasons. It differs only by one letter from my given name, >>>>> I'm 6'3" and have been 20 stone in the past (although back down to 16.5 >>>>> at the moment), and it's what my friends have been calling me for >>>>> decades. >>>> >>>> I was a bit over 21 stone this time last year. I'm now a bit under 17 >>>> stone although I've kept it fairly static at 17 stone since Christmas. >>>> Aiming to lose a bit more now...! >>>> >>> >>>How big are those stones? Pebbles? Boulders? >>> >>>Sorry, here it is :-) >> >> 1 stone = 14 lbs. >> >> scott (12.7 stone, 4.2 cubits). > > Cubits under which Pharaoh? > No, wait. I suppose today it could be "selfie" cubits. Hmmm... Would that make everyone the same height? ;-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>
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| From | "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-05-21 08:22 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <863.289T2694T5025887@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
| In reply to | #2961 |
In article <bu3s38FbradU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > In article <bu3rspFboulU1@mid.individual.net>, > bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >> In article <Hx2fv.2073749$pa5.1401900@fx23.iad>, >> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >> >>> scott (12.7 stone, 4.2 cubits). >> >> Cubits under which Pharaoh? > > No, wait. I suppose today it could be "selfie" cubits. Hmmm... > Would that make everyone the same height? ;-) Perhaps in the sense that Abraham Lincoln once said that a man's legs should be long enough to reach the ground. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2014-05-21 15:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <3R3fv.199569$rF6.102973@fx04.iad> |
| In reply to | #2959 |
bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >In article <Hx2fv.2073749$pa5.1401900@fx23.iad>, > scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >> bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>>In article <bu3k5kF1v2cU3@mid.individual.net>, >>> Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> writes: >>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:38:19 +0000, Huge wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2014-05-21, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 10:32:48 +0000, Huge wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Happy days, and as many free biscuits/bags of crisps as you could eat. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is that why you are Huge? :-) >>>>> >>>>> One of the reasons. It differs only by one letter from my given name, >>>>> I'm 6'3" and have been 20 stone in the past (although back down to 16.5 >>>>> at the moment), and it's what my friends have been calling me for >>>>> decades. >>>> >>>> I was a bit over 21 stone this time last year. I'm now a bit under 17 >>>> stone although I've kept it fairly static at 17 stone since Christmas. >>>> Aiming to lose a bit more now...! >>>> >>> >>>How big are those stones? Pebbles? Boulders? >>> >>>Sorry, here it is :-) >> >> 1 stone = 14 lbs. >> >> scott (12.7 stone, 4.2 cubits). > >Cubits under which Pharaoh? Well, in my case, the length of my forearm to end of middle finger matches the oft-quoted 18" + or - a bit.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-05-22 15:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlns7dr.scb.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #2959 |
In message <bu3rspFboulU1@mid.individual.net> Bill Gunshannon <bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu> wrote: > In article <Hx2fv.2073749$pa5.1401900@fx23.iad>, > scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >> bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>>In article <bu3k5kF1v2cU3@mid.individual.net>, >>> Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> writes: >>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:38:19 +0000, Huge wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2014-05-21, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 10:32:48 +0000, Huge wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Happy days, and as many free biscuits/bags of crisps as you could eat. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is that why you are Huge? :-) >>>>> >>>>> One of the reasons. It differs only by one letter from my given name, >>>>> I'm 6'3" and have been 20 stone in the past (although back down to 16.5 >>>>> at the moment), and it's what my friends have been calling me for >>>>> decades. >>>> >>>> I was a bit over 21 stone this time last year. I'm now a bit under 17 >>>> stone although I've kept it fairly static at 17 stone since Christmas. >>>> Aiming to lose a bit more now...! >>>> >>> >>>How big are those stones? Pebbles? Boulders? >>> >>>Sorry, here it is :-) >> >> 1 stone = 14 lbs. >> >> scott (12.7 stone, 4.2 cubits). > Cubits under which Pharaoh? Dave I -- Vernon: Now this is the thought that wakes me up in the middle of the night. That when I get older, these kids are going to take care of me Carl: I wouldn't count on it.
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| From | Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> |
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| Date | 2014-05-21 07:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20140521140727.12004.15545@a20.vsta.org> |
| In reply to | #2944 |
bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > How big are those stones? Pebbles? Boulders? > ... > I am sure most of our American readers are either confused or scrambling > for Google to find out just what that means. Google, meh. :-) > a20$ units > 2526 units, 72 prefixes, 56 nonlinear units > > You have: stones > You want: pounds > * 14 > / 0.071428571 > You have: ^D > a20$ Andy Valencia Home page: http://www.vsta.org/andy/ To contact me: http://www.vsta.org/contact/andy.html
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2014-05-21 15:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <0.ce510f68f564242808f6.20140521152319BST.87a9abus6g.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #2942 |
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes: > On 2014-05-21, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote: >> On Wed, 21 May 2014 10:32:48 +0000, Huge wrote: >> >>> Happy days, and as many free biscuits/bags of crisps as you could eat. >> >> Is that why you are Huge? :-) > > One of the reasons. It differs only by one letter from my given name, I'm > 6'3" and have been 20 stone in the past (although back down to 16.5 at the > moment), and it's what my friends have been calling me for decades. > > I must admit that working for a crisp & biscuit manufacturer didn't do a > whole lot for my weight. I used to sit in my office and watch millions > of chocolate digestives go past every day. And you wouldn't believe how > nice freshly cooked crisps are. Oh yes I would! Freshly cooked crisps used to be one of the joys of childhood visits to family in Madrid, and I was pleased to see recently that they have not died out (though they are a little harder to get hold of than they used to be). -- Ben.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-05-19 23:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <aj8q4b-dli2.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #2879 |
On 2014-05-19, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > Saw this linked at HackerNews: a revamped PDP-11/34 with all sorts of > 1970s goodness. Very cool article, and clearly people who appreciate > and love the era. > > http://www.nycresistor.com/2014/05/15/pdp-11/ That is very similar to the first PDP I worked on, and coincidentally that was 1978 as well. Ours started out with 64KB, two RK05 disks and 3 VT52 terminals. By Christmas 1979 we had upgraded it to 192KB, 6 terminals, another couple of RK05s and an RL02. No tape though, we did our backups to RK05s. The "SJ" in RT-11SJ stood for Single Job. You had to rebuild it from the supplied OS sources whenever you added a new bit of hardware so it could see it, which on our machine took about 3 hours. I'd usually set that off overnight and come in early the next day to see if it had worked. Single Job meant what it said. We used TSD (Time Shared DIBOL) on top of that, which allowed time slicing between the apps running on each terminal. In that form it was just byte code run by a supervisor; you could also link the same programs with a different library to form a larger executable which of course was single user. The single user aspect meant that to run the apps on the terminals we had to run the run time supervisor, thus: .R TSD which would put the console and the other terminals we had configured under control of the TSD supervisor. That of course meant we couldn't run an editor from the command prompt, nor compile or link. We had to wait until the users had finished for the day, then we'd run invoicing and backups, and only then could we crack on with editing program sources. Coding pads were the order of the day in that environment. At some point I rebuilt RT-11 with the FB (Foreground/Background) option, and that meant we could run a 4KB print spooler at the same time as editing/compiling/linking. -- Paul Sture The final step of #heartbleed recovery is to call your mother, and advise her to change her maiden name -- @gojomo
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-05-19 22:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <190520142254302540%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #2887 |
In article <aj8q4b-dli2.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > On 2014-05-19, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > > Saw this linked at HackerNews: a revamped PDP-11/34 with all sorts of > > 1970s goodness. Very cool article, and clearly people who appreciate > > and love the era. > > > > http://www.nycresistor.com/2014/05/15/pdp-11/ > > That is very similar to the first PDP I worked on, and coincidentally that > was 1978 as well. > > Ours started out with 64KB, two RK05 disks and 3 VT52 terminals. By > Christmas 1979 we had upgraded it to 192KB, 6 terminals, another couple of > RK05s and an RL02. No tape though, we did our backups to RK05s. > > The "SJ" in RT-11SJ stood for Single Job. No RSX-11M, then? Not that I used it much, at CERN we tended to do our own thing, as in: http://cds.cern.ch/record/133479/files/CERN-79-11.pdf -- "If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't ask questions on Usenet where the answers won't be carefully tailored to avoid tripping your hair-trigger insecurities." - D M Procida, UCSM
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-05-20 19:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ichs4b-klg1.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #2891 |
On 2014-05-19, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > In article <aj8q4b-dli2.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture ><nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > >> On 2014-05-19, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: >> > Saw this linked at HackerNews: a revamped PDP-11/34 with all sorts of >> > 1970s goodness. Very cool article, and clearly people who appreciate >> > and love the era. >> > >> > http://www.nycresistor.com/2014/05/15/pdp-11/ >> >> That is very similar to the first PDP I worked on, and coincidentally that >> was 1978 as well. >> >> Ours started out with 64KB, two RK05 disks and 3 VT52 terminals. By >> Christmas 1979 we had upgraded it to 192KB, 6 terminals, another couple of >> RK05s and an RL02. No tape though, we did our backups to RK05s. >> >> The "SJ" in RT-11SJ stood for Single Job. > > No RSX-11M, then? No RSX at all. This system came as a package including the application software. It could have been used as a turnkey system but the MD had prior experience with commercial packages and made sure that we got the sources. We were in a position to enhance it ourselves and we sold the result back to the software house :-) > Not that I used it much, at CERN we tended to do our own thing, as in: > > http://cds.cern.ch/record/133479/files/CERN-79-11.pdf Interesting thanks. What was 7000 Swiss Francs worth in quids back then? Dunno if you are interested but my shiny new workflow automatically offered OCR that PDF when it came down, so I hit OK. Just ask if you want a copy. -- Paul Sture The final step of #heartbleed recovery is to call your mother, and advise her to change her maiden name -- @gojomo
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-05-20 23:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <200520142322488446%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #2916 |
In article <ichs4b-klg1.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > Interesting thanks. What was 7000 Swiss Francs worth in quids back then? Ermm, prolly £700. ISTR the quid was 10:1 for a long while then. The second author on that paper subsequently had the office next to Tim B-L and argues that he could dine out on having said "It'll never work." to Tim B-L at the time. > Dunno if you are interested but my shiny new workflow automatically offered > OCR that PDF when it came down, so I hit OK. Just ask if you want a copy. Thanks, I'll consider that. -- "If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't ask questions on Usenet where the answers won't be carefully tailored to avoid tripping your hair-trigger insecurities." - D M Procida, UCSM
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-20 11:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20140520111048.ea712fde.rsw@therandymon.com> |
| In reply to | #2887 |
On Mon, 19 May 2014 23:10:34 +0200
Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> That is very similar to the first PDP I worked on, and coincidentally that
> was 1978 as well.
>
> Ours started out with 64KB, two RK05 disks and 3 VT52 terminals. By
> Christmas 1979 we had upgraded it to 192KB, 6 terminals, another couple of
> RK05s and an RL02. No tape though, we did our backups to RK05s.
<snippage>
Fascinating to hear from someone who had experience with one of these
things. This picture of the sequence of byte-by-byte instructions for
booting the machine blows my mind.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/osr/14043526294/in/set-72157644327706146
Kind of puts into perspective PC users who are having trouble with
GRUB2 or think their BIOS sucks, etc. Here, I'll transcribe it:
LA 010000
DEP 012737
000005
177404
000777
LA 010000
START
WAIT 1 SEC
LA 0000000
START
. P4
Wizardry, total wizardry. I'm in awe.
--
RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
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| From | Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> |
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| Date | 2014-05-20 11:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <llffu8$rlh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #2900 |
In article <20140520111048.ea712fde.rsw@therandymon.com>, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: >On Mon, 19 May 2014 23:10:34 +0200 >Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > >> That is very similar to the first PDP I worked on, and coincidentally that >> was 1978 as well. >> >> Ours started out with 64KB, two RK05 disks and 3 VT52 terminals. By >> Christmas 1979 we had upgraded it to 192KB, 6 terminals, another couple of >> RK05s and an RL02. No tape though, we did our backups to RK05s. > ><snippage> > >Fascinating to hear from someone who had experience with one of these >things. This picture of the sequence of byte-by-byte instructions for >booting the machine blows my mind. > >https://www.flickr.com/photos/osr/14043526294/in/set-72157644327706146 > >Kind of puts into perspective PC users who are having trouble with >GRUB2 or think their BIOS sucks, etc. Here, I'll transcribe it: > >LA 010000 >DEP 012737 > 000005 > 177404 > 000777 >LA 010000 >START >WAIT 1 SEC >LA 0000000 >START >. P4 > >Wizardry, total wizardry. I'm in awe. I used a PDP11/40 many years back when at uny. (~79/80) The boot sequence was slightly easier - probably why its etched into my memory: 173000 LA (Load Address) START and I'm pretty sure that was it. And to think it supported 6 users running Unix in 256KB of Core memory with a 3MB fixed drive and 1.5MB removable drives... I wish I had one now, just for the awesome factor. Gordon
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-20 12:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20140520123232.d3ec5143.rsw@therandymon.com> |
| In reply to | #2902 |
> I used a PDP11/40 many years back when at uny. (~79/80) The boot sequence was > slightly easier - probably why its etched into my memory: > > 173000 LA (Load Address) > START > > and I'm pretty sure that was it. > And to think it supported 6 users running Unix in 256KB of Core memory > with a 3MB fixed drive and 1.5MB removable drives... > I wish I had one now, just for the awesome factor. > Gordon Another good reason, at home: "Hey, can I borrow your computer for a second to look something up?" "Sure. It's over there. ---> points to PDP/11."
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| From | "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-20 15:24 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <llgdmq$6sd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #2903 |
"RS Wood" <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote in message news:20140520123232.d3ec5143.rsw@therandymon.com... >> I used a PDP11/40 many years back when at uny. (~79/80) The boot sequence >> was >> slightly easier - probably why its etched into my memory: >> >> 173000 LA (Load Address) >> START >> >> and I'm pretty sure that was it. >> And to think it supported 6 users running Unix in 256KB of Core memory >> with a 3MB fixed drive and 1.5MB removable drives... >> I wish I had one now, just for the awesome factor. >> Gordon > > > Another good reason, at home: > "Hey, can I borrow your computer for a second to look something up?" > "Sure. It's over there. ---> points to PDP/11." > Over on <alt.sys.pdp8> a dozen or so years ago, Doug Jones posted something like this about helping his son with a grade school project. They wrote a little program to handle two terminals connected to a PDP-8. The conversation with the teacher went something like this: Teacher: What microprocessor does it use??? Jones: Oh, there is *no* microprocessor. Here is the cpu. [Here he pulls a board out of the PDP-8] Teacher: Where is the disk drive to load the program??? Jones: We don't need a disk drive. The program was loaded in to core memory before we left home, so we just start the computer. ..... The conversation continues along these lines, with the teacher being thoroughly confused!!! -- numerist at aquaporin4 dot com
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| From | rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) |
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| Date | 2014-05-21 14:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <537cb371$0$52759$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #2920 |
Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
+---------------
| Over on <alt.sys.pdp8> a dozen or so years ago, Doug Jones posted
| something like this about helping his son with a grade school
| project. They wrote a little program to handle two terminals
| connected to a PDP-8.
...
| Teacher: Where is the disk drive to load the program???
|
| Jones: We don't need a disk drive. The program was loaded in
| to core memory before we left home, so we just start the computer.
+---------------
When I was at DCA[1] in the late 1970's, we built communications
front ends for PDP-10s and IBM 360s made from PDP-8/Es and -8/Fs
[*much* cheaper than the PDP-11s DEC used for front ends!]. The
8/E & 8/F core was so stable, even across power failures or the
very occasional crash, that some of our customers would forget
how to reload the front end program. I recall one in particular
[a mid-Western pharma] that always ran into a jam when they did
their annual internal PDP-10 operator training course -- we'd get
a service call when they wiped the front end and then discovered
they'd forgotten how to reload it! ;-}
-Rob
[1] Digital Communications Associates in Atlanta, not the
military one.
-----
Rob Warnock <rpw3@rpw3.org>
627 26th Avenue <http://rpw3.org/>
San Mateo, CA 94403
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-21 16:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1426335724422380922.048265peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #2955 |
Rob Warnock <rpw3@rpw3.org> wrote: > Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote: > +--------------- > | Over on <alt.sys.pdp8> a dozen or so years ago, Doug Jones posted > | something like this about helping his son with a grade school > | project. They wrote a little program to handle two terminals > | connected to a PDP-8. > ... > | Teacher: Where is the disk drive to load the program??? > | > | Jones: We don't need a disk drive. The program was loaded in > | to core memory before we left home, so we just start the computer. > +--------------- > > When I was at DCA[1] in the late 1970's, we built communications > front ends for PDP-10s and IBM 360s made from PDP-8/Es and -8/Fs > [*much* cheaper than the PDP-11s DEC used for front ends!]. The > 8/E & 8/F core was so stable, even across power failures or the > very occasional crash, that some of our customers would forget > how to reload the front end program. I recall one in particular > [a mid-Western pharma] that always ran into a jam when they did > their annual internal PDP-10 operator training course -- we'd get > a service call when they wiped the front end and then discovered > they'd forgotten how to reload it! ;-} > This was standard for core. At PPOE(s) we used Mohawk Data MDS-2400s for RJE, And over many years I think I had to reload the emulator twice. We powered down the machines every night and back up un the morning. -- Pete
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| From | Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2014-05-20 13:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bu14ssFpk4cU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2902 |
On Tue, 20 May 2014 11:56:56 +0000, Gordon Henderson wrote: >>LA 010000 DEP 012737 >> 000005 177404 000777 >>LA 010000 START WAIT 1 SEC LA 0000000 START . P4 >> >>Wizardry, total wizardry. I'm in awe. > > I used a PDP11/40 many years back when at uny. (~79/80) The boot > sequence was slightly easier - probably why its etched into my memory: > > 173000 LA (Load Address) > START > > and I'm pretty sure that was it. That's cheating. That would be the address of a ROM bootstrap progra. ROM was too expensive for many! Mind, the RK bootstrap was very short; a bus reset would zero cylinder, track and sector, then setting one bit would start the transfer. > And to think it supported 6 users running Unix in 256KB of Core memory > with a 3MB fixed drive and 1.5MB removable drives... I started on an 11/20 in 1972, running DOS/BATCH (although I made a ROLLIN image of RT-11FB that I used to use; I wrote a little print spooler for that). I managed to install Mini-UNIX on that 11/20 years later. I still have the manual. Our first UNIX system was a 112kB 11/40 with two 2.4MB RK05s, in July 1975. DECWriter, a few serial terminals, no tapes. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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