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| First post | 2019-06-17 20:07 +0000 |
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[Link Posting] The CIA Spied on People Through Their Smart TVs, Leaked Documents Reveal Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-06-17 20:07 +0000
Re: [Link Posting] The CIA Spied on People Through Their Smart TVs, Leaked Documents Reveal RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-06-18 20:35 -0400
Re: [Link Posting] The CIA Spied on People Through Their Smart TVs, Leaked Documents Reveal Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-06-19 09:17 +0000
Re: [Link Posting] The CIA Spied on People Through Their Smart TVs, Leaked Documents Reveal Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> - 2019-06-19 22:35 +0100
Re: [Link Posting] The CIA Spied on People Through Their Smart TVs, Leaked Documents Reveal Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-06-20 06:56 +0000
Re: [Link Posting] The CIA Spied on People Through Their Smart TVs, Leaked Documents Reveal Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-06-20 13:56 -0300
Re: [Link Posting] The CIA Spied on People Through Their Smart TVs, Leaked Documents Reveal Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-06-20 19:04 +0000
Re: [Link Posting] The CIA Spied on People Through Their Smart TVs, Leaked Documents Reveal Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-06-23 17:25 -0300
Re: [Link Posting] The CIA Spied on People Through Their Smart TVs, Leaked Documents Reveal Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-06-23 21:59 +0000
Re: [Link Posting] The CIA Spied on People Through Their Smart TVs, Leaked Documents Reveal Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> - 2019-06-23 23:44 +0100
Re: [Link Posting] The CIA Spied on People Through Their Smart TVs, Leaked Documents Reveal Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-06-24 08:50 +0000
Re: [Link Posting] The CIA Spied on People Through Their Smart TVs, Leaked Documents Reveal not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-06-24 00:12 +0000
| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-06-17 20:07 +0000 |
| Subject | [Link Posting] The CIA Spied on People Through Their Smart TVs, Leaked Documents Reveal |
| Message-ID | <RIYGwiljEMazohMc5fylN27Z@dont-email.me> |
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<URL:https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qbq5x/the-cia-spied-on-people-t
hrough-their-smart-tvs-leaked-documents-reveal>
The text below is a quotation from the URL above:
>
> Hackers at the Central Intelligence Agency, with the help of colleagues
> from the British spy agency MI5, developed malware to secretly spy on
> targets through their Samsung Smart TVs, according to new documents
> published by WikiLeaks.
>
> On Tuesday, WikiLeaks dumped a large cache of documents allegedly coming
> from the CIA's hacking unit. Julian Assange's organization dubbed the
> release, which it says it's the first in a series, as "Vault 7," and
> billed it as the largest-ever of confidential CIA intelligence
> documents.
>
> "Weeping Angel already hooks key presses [...] to cause the system to
> enter Fake-Off rather than Off."
>
> The CIA and MI5 called the project to spy on Samsung Smart TVs "Weeping
> Angel," perhaps a reference to Doctor Who, where weeping angels are "the
> deadliest, most powerful, most malevolent life-form ever produced." The
> malware was designed to keep the smart TVs on even when they were turned
> off. This was dubbed "Fake-Off mode," according to the documents. The
> CIA hackers even developed a way to "suppress" the TVs LED indicators to
> improve the "Fake-Off" mode.
>
> ...
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-18 20:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <2jcotf-li5.ln1@rasp.therandymon.com> |
| In reply to | #18233 |
On 2019-06-17, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >> Hackers at the Central Intelligence Agency, with the help of >> colleagues from the British spy agency MI5, developed malware to >> secretly spy on targets through their Samsung Smart TVs, according >> to new documents published by WikiLeaks. As if we needed one, this provides yet another good reason to avoid this technology like the plague. If anyone needs me, I'll be in my bunker, sharpening my knife.
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-06-19 09:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gmuctuFsjjfU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #18244 |
On 2019-06-19, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> On 2019-06-17, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>> Hackers at the Central Intelligence Agency, with the help of
>>> colleagues from the British spy agency MI5, developed malware to
>>> secretly spy on targets through their Samsung Smart TVs, according
>>> to new documents published by WikiLeaks.
>
> As if we needed one, this provides yet another good reason to avoid this
> technology like the plague.
You should avoid anything that calls itself "Smart".
--
Today is Setting Orange, the 24th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3185
Rising above bedlam
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| From | Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-19 22:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5c7daf60-bc39-95e0-0751-26264cada958@scorecrow.com> |
| In reply to | #18254 |
On 19/06/2019 10:17, Huge wrote: > On 2019-06-19, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: >> On 2019-06-17, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >>>> Hackers at the Central Intelligence Agency, with the help of >>>> colleagues from the British spy agency MI5, developed malware to >>>> secretly spy on targets through their Samsung Smart TVs, according >>>> to new documents published by WikiLeaks. >> >> As if we needed one, this provides yet another good reason to avoid this >> technology like the plague. > > You should avoid anything that calls itself "Smart". > Smart telly; smart phone; smart motorway... SMART - Surveillance Marketed As Revolutionary Technology -- Bruce Horrocks Surrey England (bruce at scorecrow dot com)
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-06-20 06:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gn0p01Fe2buU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #18267 |
On 2019-06-19, Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
> On 19/06/2019 10:17, Huge wrote:
>> On 2019-06-19, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>>> On 2019-06-17, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Hackers at the Central Intelligence Agency, with the help of
>>>>> colleagues from the British spy agency MI5, developed malware to
>>>>> secretly spy on targets through their Samsung Smart TVs, according
>>>>> to new documents published by WikiLeaks.
>>>
>>> As if we needed one, this provides yet another good reason to avoid this
>>> technology like the plague.
>>
>> You should avoid anything that calls itself "Smart".
>>
>
> Smart telly; smart phone; smart motorway...
>
> SMART - Surveillance Marketed As Revolutionary Technology
Precisely. (And I shall steal that acronym!)
--
Today is Sweetmorn, the 25th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3185
Rising above bedlam
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| From | Shadow <Sh@dow.br> |
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| Date | 2019-06-20 13:56 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <dedngepsjtqpep249cbf0s6j6ds5e7i13e@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #18233 |
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 20:07:44 +0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > #################################################################### > # ATTENTION: This post is a reference to a website. The poster of # > # this Usenet article is not the author of the referenced website. # > #################################################################### > ><URL:https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qbq5x/the-cia-spied-on-people-t >hrough-their-smart-tvs-leaked-documents-reveal> > >The text below is a quotation from the URL above: >> >> Hackers at the Central Intelligence Agency, with the help of colleagues >> from the British spy agency MI5, developed malware to secretly spy on >> targets through their Samsung Smart TVs, according to new documents >> published by WikiLeaks. >> >> On Tuesday, WikiLeaks dumped a large cache of documents allegedly coming >> from the CIA's hacking unit. Julian Assange's organization dubbed the >> release, which it says it's the first in a series, as "Vault 7," and >> billed it as the largest-ever of confidential CIA intelligence >> documents. >> >> "Weeping Angel already hooks key presses [...] to cause the system to >> enter Fake-Off rather than Off." >> >> The CIA and MI5 called the project to spy on Samsung Smart TVs "Weeping >> Angel," perhaps a reference to Doctor Who, where weeping angels are "the >> deadliest, most powerful, most malevolent life-form ever produced." The >> malware was designed to keep the smart TVs on even when they were turned >> off. This was dubbed "Fake-Off mode," according to the documents. The >> CIA hackers even developed a way to "suppress" the TVs LED indicators to >> improve the "Fake-Off" mode. >> I airdumped my "Smart" TV using my WiFi card ages ago and caught it phoning home. It was an oldish TV, I don't think it took pics of/recorded audio of/filmed people using it, there was too little traffic for that. Probably just relaying the filenames of whatever movies/documents I was loading via USB. The traffic was encrypted, so I could only see quantity, not content. https://www.aircrack-ng.org/ It's an interesting tool. Linux-only (unless you have an adaptor that runs in promiscuous mode under Windows). My wife's "smart"phone hammers the card, even when it's not being used ..... by her. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-06-20 19:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gn23lnFnd7pU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #18270 |
On 2019-06-20, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 20:07:44 +0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> ####################################################################
>> # ATTENTION: This post is a reference to a website. The poster of #
>> # this Usenet article is not the author of the referenced website. #
>> ####################################################################
>>
>><URL:https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qbq5x/the-cia-spied-on-people-t
>>hrough-their-smart-tvs-leaked-documents-reveal>
>>
>>The text below is a quotation from the URL above:
>>>
>>> Hackers at the Central Intelligence Agency, with the help of colleagues
>>> from the British spy agency MI5, developed malware to secretly spy on
>>> targets through their Samsung Smart TVs, according to new documents
>>> published by WikiLeaks.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, WikiLeaks dumped a large cache of documents allegedly coming
>>> from the CIA's hacking unit. Julian Assange's organization dubbed the
>>> release, which it says it's the first in a series, as "Vault 7," and
>>> billed it as the largest-ever of confidential CIA intelligence
>>> documents.
>>>
>>> "Weeping Angel already hooks key presses [...] to cause the system to
>>> enter Fake-Off rather than Off."
>>>
>>> The CIA and MI5 called the project to spy on Samsung Smart TVs "Weeping
>>> Angel," perhaps a reference to Doctor Who, where weeping angels are "the
>>> deadliest, most powerful, most malevolent life-form ever produced." The
>>> malware was designed to keep the smart TVs on even when they were turned
>>> off. This was dubbed "Fake-Off mode," according to the documents. The
>>> CIA hackers even developed a way to "suppress" the TVs LED indicators to
>>> improve the "Fake-Off" mode.
>>>
>
> I airdumped my "Smart" TV using my WiFi card ages ago and
> caught it phoning home. It was an oldish TV, I don't think it took
> pics of/recorded audio of/filmed people using it, there was too
> little traffic for that. Probably just relaying the filenames of
> whatever movies/documents I was loading via USB. The traffic was
> encrypted, so I could only see quantity, not content.
>
> https://www.aircrack-ng.org/
>
> It's an interesting tool. Linux-only (unless you have an
> adaptor that runs in promiscuous mode under Windows).
>
> My wife's "smart"phone hammers the card, even when it's not
> being used ..... by her.
I block all that with my PiHole.
--
Today is Sweetmorn, the 25th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3185
Rising above bedlam
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| From | Shadow <Sh@dow.br> |
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| Date | 2019-06-23 17:25 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <iqnvge1hj8gll3lokdulni07nfshke5dh5@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #18271 |
On 20 Jun 2019 19:04:23 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >On 2019-06-20, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote: >> On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 20:07:44 +0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> #################################################################### >>> # ATTENTION: This post is a reference to a website. The poster of # >>> # this Usenet article is not the author of the referenced website. # >>> #################################################################### >>> >>><URL:https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qbq5x/the-cia-spied-on-people-t >>>hrough-their-smart-tvs-leaked-documents-reveal> >>> >>>The text below is a quotation from the URL above: >>>> >>>> Hackers at the Central Intelligence Agency, with the help of colleagues >>>> from the British spy agency MI5, developed malware to secretly spy on >>>> targets through their Samsung Smart TVs, according to new documents >>>> published by WikiLeaks. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, WikiLeaks dumped a large cache of documents allegedly coming >>>> from the CIA's hacking unit. Julian Assange's organization dubbed the >>>> release, which it says it's the first in a series, as "Vault 7," and >>>> billed it as the largest-ever of confidential CIA intelligence >>>> documents. >>>> >>>> "Weeping Angel already hooks key presses [...] to cause the system to >>>> enter Fake-Off rather than Off." >>>> >>>> The CIA and MI5 called the project to spy on Samsung Smart TVs "Weeping >>>> Angel," perhaps a reference to Doctor Who, where weeping angels are "the >>>> deadliest, most powerful, most malevolent life-form ever produced." The >>>> malware was designed to keep the smart TVs on even when they were turned >>>> off. This was dubbed "Fake-Off mode," according to the documents. The >>>> CIA hackers even developed a way to "suppress" the TVs LED indicators to >>>> improve the "Fake-Off" mode. >>>> >> >> I airdumped my "Smart" TV using my WiFi card ages ago and >> caught it phoning home. It was an oldish TV, I don't think it took >> pics of/recorded audio of/filmed people using it, there was too >> little traffic for that. Probably just relaying the filenames of >> whatever movies/documents I was loading via USB. The traffic was >> encrypted, so I could only see quantity, not content. >> >> https://www.aircrack-ng.org/ >> >> It's an interesting tool. Linux-only (unless you have an >> adaptor that runs in promiscuous mode under Windows). >> >> My wife's "smart"phone hammers the card, even when it's not >> being used ..... by her. > >I block all that with my PiHole. You built your own wireless router? Closed source or open firmware? What OS? Can you monitor the log? I'm interested. I used to run a router (not wireless though) off a CD on an old 486. Read only, logs in RAM, any hack was gone in a reboot. But that was eons ago. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-06-23 21:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gnab1tFgm64U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #18292 |
On 2019-06-23, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
> On 20 Jun 2019 19:04:23 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> My wife's "smart"phone hammers the card, even when it's not
>>> being used ..... by her.
>>
>>I block all that with my PiHole.
>
> You built your own wireless router?
Oh, sorry, no. I was talking about "Smart" TVs. If you plug an ethernet
cable into a Samdung, it uses that, so you can filter what it accesses.
--
Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 28th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3185
Rising above bedlam
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| From | Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-23 23:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ea408d29-aa5a-75a8-71cc-177d87c27bf2@scorecrow.com> |
| In reply to | #18293 |
On 23/06/2019 22:59, Huge wrote: > On 2019-06-23, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote: >> On 20 Jun 2019 19:04:23 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >> > >>>> >>>> My wife's "smart"phone hammers the card, even when it's not >>>> being used ..... by her. >>> >>> I block all that with my PiHole. >> >> You built your own wireless router? > > Oh, sorry, no. I was talking about "Smart" TVs. If you plug an ethernet > cable into a Samdung, it uses that, so you can filter what it accesses. @Shadow A common approach is to put your ISP supplied router into bridge mode and then use a separate router+WiFi to enable secure WiFi/networking around your home. An example combination is an ASUS RT-AC68U This allows creation of vLANs so you can separate your 'smart' devices from the other stuff on your home network. Also allows things like network quotas (time of day, or data volumes, or speed) on the kids. -- Bruce Horrocks Surrey England (bruce at scorecrow dot com)
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-06-24 08:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gnbh5vFoareU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #18294 |
On 2019-06-23, Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
> On 23/06/2019 22:59, Huge wrote:
>> On 2019-06-23, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
>>> On 20 Jun 2019 19:04:23 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My wife's "smart"phone hammers the card, even when it's not
>>>>> being used ..... by her.
>>>>
>>>> I block all that with my PiHole.
>>>
>>> You built your own wireless router?
>>
>> Oh, sorry, no. I was talking about "Smart" TVs. If you plug an ethernet
>> cable into a Samdung, it uses that, so you can filter what it accesses.
>
> @Shadow
>
> A common approach is to put your ISP supplied router into bridge mode
> and then use a separate router+WiFi to enable secure WiFi/networking
> around your home.
>
> An example combination is an ASUS RT-AC68U This allows creation of vLANs
> so you can separate your 'smart' devices from the other stuff on your
> home network.
>
> Also allows things like network quotas (time of day, or data volumes, or
> speed) on the kids.
My ISP supplied router is plugged into a Smoothwall, and then a dumb
AP is plugged into that to provide internal service for the house. The
ISP Wifi is for visitors and stuff I don't GAS about.
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Today is Setting Orange, the 29th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3185
Rising above bedlam
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2019-06-24 00:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qep4hv$uh7$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #18292 |
Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote: > On 20 Jun 2019 19:04:23 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >> >>I block all that with my PiHole. > > You built your own wireless router? Closed source or open > firmware? What OS? Can you monitor the log? I'm interested. > I used to run a router (not wireless though) off a CD on an > old 486. Read only, logs in RAM, any hack was gone in a reboot. But > that was eons ago. > []'s I'm running OpenWRT on a commercial model WiFi router. Currently working on trying to set it up on a Raspberry Pi ZeroW for more processing power, and OpenWRT is heading towards being too big to fit on the Netgear DGN2200 that I've been using. Potential issues with using the Pi have been already discussed in other newsgroups. No DNS blocking though, I prefer to control all of that from the client-end. All of my clients are controllable, not running on "smart" gizmos. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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