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Re: 2/6 - IRC Networks Under Systematic Attack From Governments

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Achsis of Elvis <q.kontinuum@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2014-02-07, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-02-07, Dirk T. Verbeek <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>> That's how they've brought nntp or usenet to it's knees.  Just see how
>>> few postings get through!
>>
>>
>> Isn't this a strategy that would sink any forum whatsoever, including
>> face-to-face stuff like groups gathering in bars to discuss the
>> revolution?  It's not clear to me there's an easy solution.
> 
> I think we need a technical solution to this. Discussions do not require
> a huge bandwidth, so systems using onion-routing should be a viable option.
> To counter social engineering, only common sense/applied brains can help.
> 
> https://freenetproject.org/ is an interesing project, but one seriously
> has to consider all consequences. If absolute anonymous communication 
> is possible, combined with untracable payment by bitcoins, there will be
> a market fof contract killers, child porn, snuff movies, online harassing
> and other stuff. On freenetproject I saw some disgusting stuff and 
> abandoned the community.
> 

Freenet is a bit out of date at this point.  Onion routing does work, though for irc, it would seem to me the ideal way to provide privacy and security would fall more to i2p, given that at its start, irc was a fairly big focus of it, and it remains very well implemented.  With no official exit nodes (or as they call them, "outproxies"), it largely reduces the attack vectors for deobfuscating tor users.  And given that irc clients in general tend to be less leaky than web browsers, well, I'm not aware of anyone being deobfuscated using i2p irc. As for the criminal element that comes with anonymity: it's expected.  Unfortunate, but expected.  On the other hand, it doesn't imply impunity, it merely means that this dragnet style of policing cannot be used, but rather, that conventional police tactics need to be employed to find someone just as if they were using burner cell phones or (lol) payphones to hide their identity.  It is fallacious to assume that if tor or i2p weren't there, these crimes wouldn't be happening, as we're all quite familiar with the existence of child porn, drug sales, and even murder for hire, even before the age of the Internet.  

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2/6 - IRC Networks Under Systematic Attack From Governments xyzzy <stalkers-suck@grr.la> - 2014-02-07 04:33 -0800
  Re: 2/6 - IRC Networks Under Systematic Attack From Governments "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2014-02-07 18:05 +0000
    Re: 2/6 - IRC Networks Under Systematic Attack From Governments RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-07 19:33 +0000
      Re: 2/6 - IRC Networks Under Systematic Attack From Governments Achsis of Elvis <q.kontinuum@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-13 10:56 +0000
        Re: 2/6 - IRC Networks Under Systematic Attack From Governments cykros@devio.us - 2014-02-13 15:02 +0000
          Re: 2/6 - IRC Networks Under Systematic Attack From Governments "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-13 18:18 +0000
  Re: 2/6 - IRC Networks Under Systematic Attack From Governments Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-07 14:27 -0800
    Re: 2/6 - IRC Networks Under Systematic Attack From Governments Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-25 23:31 -0500

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