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  I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 16:30 -0400
    Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2014-10-22 16:57 -0400
      Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 17:04 -0400
        Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2014-10-22 14:35 -0700
          Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 17:38 -0400
    Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-22 22:28 +0100
    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 18:30 -0400
      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 18:32 -0400
      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-22 23:55 +0100
        Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 19:26 -0400
          Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-23 00:44 +0100
            Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 20:02 -0400
              Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-10-23 02:29 +0100
              Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 11:37 +1000
                Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 21:52 -0400
              Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-22 19:58 -0700
                Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 23:05 -0400
                Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-22 20:16 -0700
                Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-10-23 02:31 -0400
      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-10-23 00:09 +0100
      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-23 00:10 -0700
        Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-23 09:23 -0400
          Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 10:00 -0400
            Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-23 20:23 -0400
        Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 09:53 -0400
      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 09:15 +0000
        Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 10:04 -0400
          Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 15:55 +0000
            Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 13:01 -0400
              Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 13:07 -0400
                Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 13:39 -0600
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 16:15 -0400
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 16:44 -0400
                    Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-10-23 22:03 +0100
                    Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-23 19:13 -0700
                Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-10-23 23:14 -0400
                Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 14:32 +1100
              Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 21:56 -0700
                Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 10:38 -0400
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 01:51 +1100
                    Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 11:04 -0400
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 02:13 +1100
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 08:56 -0700
                    Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 10:35 -0600
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 10:10 -0700
                    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 12:37 -0400
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 03:47 +1100
                        Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 09:56 -0700
                        Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 13:03 -0400
                          Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists "Albert Visser" <albert.visser@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 19:18 +0200
                            Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 13:23 -0400
                              Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 10:42 -0700
                                Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 13:42 -0400
                          Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 11:52 -0600
                            Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 14:15 -0400
                              Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 14:20 -0400
                                Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-24 19:40 +0100
                                  Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 15:07 -0400
                                    Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 21:49 +0000
                                    Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-24 23:46 -0700
                                      Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 08:17 -0600
                                    Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-25 14:47 -0400
                              Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2014-10-24 11:57 -0700
                                Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 15:09 -0400
                                  Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2014-10-24 12:25 -0700
                                    Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 15:33 -0400
                                      Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2014-10-24 12:55 -0700
                                        Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 16:00 -0400
                              Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 21:19 +0000
                                Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 17:35 -0400
                                  Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 23:23 +0000
                              Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-25 14:37 -0400
                          Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-24 19:33 +0100
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 09:54 -0700
                        Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 13:04 -0400
                          Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 10:17 -0700
                          Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-10-24 18:09 -0400
                            Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 18:27 -0400
                              Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 16:01 -0700
                              Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-10-24 20:27 -0400
                                Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 20:42 -0400
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 11:05 -0600
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 04:10 +1100
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-24 23:04 -0700
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 20:37 +0000
                    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 16:58 -0400
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-10-24 21:07 +0000
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 15:11 -0600
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 23:21 +0000
                        Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 19:48 -0400
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 21:48 +0000
                    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 18:14 -0400
                    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-10-25 15:01 +0000
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 20:51 +0000
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-24 19:16 -0700
                    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 22:41 -0400
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-25 08:25 +0100
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-25 15:10 -0400
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-25 14:23 -0400
                    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-25 14:42 -0400
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-10-25 18:48 -0400
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-26 00:25 +0100
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-26 01:08 -0400
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-10-26 17:44 -0400
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-26 20:57 -0400
    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-22 22:43 +0000
      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 19:11 -0400
        The “trials” in “trial and error” should be as simple as possible (was: I am out of trial and error again  Lists) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-10-23 10:59 +1100
        Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-10-23 11:05 +1100
          Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 20:10 -0400
            Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-10-23 02:31 +0100
              Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 21:35 -0400
                Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 21:57 -0400
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-23 08:20 +0100
                    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 10:01 -0400
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 01:56 -0600
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-23 09:09 +0100
                    Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 06:42 -0700
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 10:03 -0400
                        Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 08:35 -0700
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists giacomo boffi <pecore@pascolo.net> - 2014-10-23 16:25 +0200
                        Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 10:29 -0400
                        Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 16:00 +0000
                Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists giacomo boffi <pecore@pascolo.net> - 2014-10-23 16:40 +0200
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 10:46 -0400
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists giacomo boffi <pecore@pascolo.net> - 2014-10-24 17:56 +0200
        Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 09:21 +0000
    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Tobiah <toby@tobiah.org> - 2014-10-23 07:51 -0700
    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-24 08:05 +0100
      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 10:47 -0400
        Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2014-10-24 22:06 +0100
    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-24 09:12 +0100
      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 10:48 -0400
    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 18:26 -0400
    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 18:58 -0400
      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 16:27 -0700
        Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 19:48 -0400
          Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 19:57 -0400
            Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-10-25 01:20 +0100
              Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 20:37 -0400
                Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2014-10-25 11:52 +1100
          Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 20:46 -0700
            Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 21:09 -0700
              Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-10-25 15:25 +1100
                Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 22:40 -0700
                  Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 16:49 +1100
                    Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 22:55 -0700
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 17:03 +1100
                      Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-10-25 18:44 +1100
                        Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 10:24 -0700
                    Side-effects [was Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-10-26 17:12 +1100
                      Re: Side-effects [was Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 17:42 +1100
            Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists giacomo boffi <pecore@pascolo.net> - 2014-10-27 22:26 +0100
      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-25 00:27 +0100
      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 23:35 +0000
    Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 20:15 -0400
      Re: I am out of trial and error again  Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 22:15 +0000

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#79522 — Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists

Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:

> [As best as I can make out the OP is not using the standalone
> interpreter
> nor idle
> nor (the many options like) python-interpreter-inside-emacs
> nor ipython
> nor ...

but CodeSkulptor <http://www.codeskulptor.org/>]

CodeSkulptor has been mentioned recently by S4H, and he had explained
why he uses CodeSkulptor, but I cannot remember anything of the explanation...

-- 
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si`, vabbe`, ma a chi?                               -- PLS, in IFQ

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#79524 — Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:25:28 +0200, giacomo boffi <pecore@pascolo.net>
wrote:

>Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> [As best as I can make out the OP is not using the standalone
>> interpreter
>> nor idle
>> nor (the many options like) python-interpreter-inside-emacs
>> nor ipython
>> nor ...
>
>but CodeSkulptor <http://www.codeskulptor.org/>]
>
>CodeSkulptor has been mentioned recently by S4H, and he had explained
>why he uses CodeSkulptor, but I cannot remember anything of the explanation...

They are using it in the online course I am taking
An Introduction to Interactive Programming in Python
https://www.coursera.org/

It is clumsy and it is not compatible with Python3, but it is free.  3
more weeks.

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#79538 — Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:25:28 +0200, giacomo boffi wrote:

> Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> [As best as I can make out the OP is not using the standalone
>> interpreter nor idle nor (the many options like)
>> python-interpreter-inside-emacs nor ipython nor ...
> 
> but CodeSkulptor <http://www.codeskulptor.org/>]
> 
> CodeSkulptor has been mentioned recently by S4H, and he had explained
> why he uses CodeSkulptor, but I cannot remember anything of the
> explanation...

CodeSkulptor is a tool used by a group of instructors at RICE to teach an 
on-line python programming course in a web browser environment. It may be 
a python IDE and interpreter implemented in HTML, CSS and javascript, I'm 
not sure.

IO is handled by a package called simplegui, and I believe there's a 
wrapper for tkinter that presents simplegui if you want to run code 
written for codeskulptor outside of the codeskulptor environment.

-- 
Denis McMahon, denismfmcmahon@gmail.com

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#79525

Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> writes:

> Because most of the practice I am getting is not using Python.  I
> use Codeskulptor.

Seymore,

it's been months that you're struggling with python, if you happen to
own a computer could you please take the time to install python on it
and familiarise with the interactive interpreter?  I'll see that as a
personal favor. If you have to hand in assignments using codeskulptor
or are in any other way bound by your institution to use that service
you could anyway use the interactive interpreter on your pc, applying
the debugging and self-learning techniques that were shown to you, in
many different circumstances, by the very, very helpful folks of clp.

thank you for your attention

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#79529

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:40:22 +0200, giacomo boffi <pecore@pascolo.net>
wrote:

>Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> writes:
>
>> Because most of the practice I am getting is not using Python.  I
>> use Codeskulptor.
>
>Seymore,
>
>it's been months that you're struggling with python, if you happen to
>own a computer could you please take the time to install python on it
>and familiarise with the interactive interpreter?  I'll see that as a
>personal favor. If you have to hand in assignments using codeskulptor
>or are in any other way bound by your institution to use that service
>you could anyway use the interactive interpreter on your pc, applying
>the debugging and self-learning techniques that were shown to you, in
>many different circumstances, by the very, very helpful folks of clp.
>
>thank you for your attention

I have Python installed.  I will learn the interpreter.  I also
acknowledge there are very, very helpful folks here.

Thanks

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#79576

ERRATA CORRIGE:

> many different circumstances, by the very, very helpful folks of clp.
  many different circumstances, by the very, very helpful folks of clpy

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#79508

On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 19:11:51 -0400, Seymore4Head wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 22:43:14 +0000 (UTC), Denis McMahon
> <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:30:37 -0400, Seymore4Head wrote:
>>
>>> def nametonumber(name):
>>>     lst=[""]
>>>     for x,y in enumerate (name):
>>>         lst=lst.append(y)
>>>     print (lst)
>>>     return (lst)
>>> a=["1-800-getcharter"]
>>> print (nametonumber(a))#18004382427837
>>>     
>>>     
>>> The syntax for when to use a () and when to use [] still throws me a
>>> curve.
>>> 
>>> For now, I am trying to end up with a list that has each character in
>>> "a" as a single item.
>>> 
>>> I get:
>>> None None
>>
>>First of all, an empty list is created with:
>>
>>emptylist = []
>>
>>whereas
>>
>>x = [""]
>>
>>creates a list containing one element, that element being an empty
>>string. Not the same thing!
>>
>>Did you try stepping through your code line by line in the interpreter
>>to see what happened at each step?
>>
>>note that append is a method of a list object, it has no return value,
>>the original list is modified in place.
>>
>>>>> l = ["a","b","c"]   # declare a list l.append( "d" )     # use the
>>>>> append method l                   # show the list
>>['a', 'b', 'c', 'd']
>>
>>So your line:
>>
>>lst = lst.append(y)
>>
>>should be:
>>
>>lst.append(y)
>>
>>Finally, did you really intend to pass a single element list into the
>>function, or did you intend to pass a string into the function?
>>
> Those string errors were desperate attempts to fix the "append" error I
> didn't understand.

If you don't understand the error, that is the point that you should ask 
for help, rather than make stab in the dark attempts to fix it and then 
asking why the solutions don't work.

-- 
Denis McMahon, denismfmcmahon@gmail.com

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#79531

On 10/22/2014 01:30 PM, Seymore4Head wrote:
> def nametonumber(name):
>      lst=[""]
>      for x,y in enumerate (name):
>          lst=lst.append(y)
>      print (lst)
>      return (lst)
> a=["1-800-getcharter"]
> print (nametonumber(a))#18004382427837
>
>
> The syntax for when to use a () and when to use [] still throws me a
> curve.
>
> For now, I am trying to end up with a list that has each character in
> "a" as a single item.



>>> a = "1-800-getcharter"
>>> list(a)
['1', '-', '8', '0', '0', '-', 'g', 'e', 't', 'c', 'h', 'a', 'r', 't', 'e', 'r']
>>>

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#79559

On 22/10/2014 21:30, Seymore4Head wrote:
> def nametonumber(name):
>      lst=[""]
>      for x,y in enumerate (name):
>          lst=lst.append(y)
>      print (lst)
>      return (lst)
> a=["1-800-getcharter"]
> print (nametonumber(a))#18004382427837
>
>
> The syntax for when to use a () and when to use [] still throws me a
> curve.
>
> For now, I am trying to end up with a list that has each character in
> "a" as a single item.
>
> I get:
> None
> None
>

Following on from the numerous responses you've had here, I've no idea 
if this helps your thought processes but there's only one way for you to 
find out http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ :)

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#79570

On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:05:01 +0100, Mark Lawrence
<breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On 22/10/2014 21:30, Seymore4Head wrote:
>> def nametonumber(name):
>>      lst=[""]
>>      for x,y in enumerate (name):
>>          lst=lst.append(y)
>>      print (lst)
>>      return (lst)
>> a=["1-800-getcharter"]
>> print (nametonumber(a))#18004382427837
>>
>>
>> The syntax for when to use a () and when to use [] still throws me a
>> curve.
>>
>> For now, I am trying to end up with a list that has each character in
>> "a" as a single item.
>>
>> I get:
>> None
>> None
>>
>
>Following on from the numerous responses you've had here, I've no idea 
>if this helps your thought processes but there's only one way for you to 
>find out http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ :)

I have at least 10 ebooks.  I will get around to reading them soon.
http://i.imgur.com/rpOcKP8.jpg

Thanks

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#79616

On 24/10/2014 15:47, Seymore4Head wrote:
> I have at least 10 ebooks.  I will get around to reading them soon.

Sooner would be better.

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#79562

On 24/10/2014 08:05, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 22/10/2014 21:30, Seymore4Head wrote:
>> def nametonumber(name):
>>      lst=[""]
>>      for x,y in enumerate (name):
>>          lst=lst.append(y)
>>      print (lst)
>>      return (lst)
>> a=["1-800-getcharter"]
>> print (nametonumber(a))#18004382427837
>>
>>
>> The syntax for when to use a () and when to use [] still throws me a
>> curve.
>>
>> For now, I am trying to end up with a list that has each character in
>> "a" as a single item.
>>
>> I get:
>> None
>> None
>>
>
> Following on from the numerous responses you've had here, I've no idea
> if this helps your thought processes but there's only one way for you to
> find out http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ :)
>

And another http://tinyurl.com/k26vjhr

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#79571

On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:12:28 +0100, Mark Lawrence
<breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On 24/10/2014 08:05, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>> On 22/10/2014 21:30, Seymore4Head wrote:
>>> def nametonumber(name):
>>>      lst=[""]
>>>      for x,y in enumerate (name):
>>>          lst=lst.append(y)
>>>      print (lst)
>>>      return (lst)
>>> a=["1-800-getcharter"]
>>> print (nametonumber(a))#18004382427837
>>>
>>>
>>> The syntax for when to use a () and when to use [] still throws me a
>>> curve.
>>>
>>> For now, I am trying to end up with a list that has each character in
>>> "a" as a single item.
>>>
>>> I get:
>>> None
>>> None
>>>
>>
>> Following on from the numerous responses you've had here, I've no idea
>> if this helps your thought processes but there's only one way for you to
>> find out http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ :)
>>
>
>And another http://tinyurl.com/k26vjhr

Google.   I have heard of that.  :)  

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#79625

On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:30:37 -0400, Seymore4Head
<Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote:

Thanks for all the helpful replies.  I just discovered that there is
something wrong with my news feed.  Some of the messages did not make
it to me.  I can go back and read this thread in Google Groups but I
can't reply to it.

If I missed thanking or replying to anyone, that is the reason.

Thanks again

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#79627

On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:30:37 -0400, Seymore4Head
<Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote:

name="123-xyz-abc" 
a=range(10)
b=list(range(10))
c=str(list(range(10)))
print ("a",(a))
print ("b",(b))
print ("c",(c))

for x in name:
    if x in a:
        print ("a",(x))      
    if x in b:
        print ("b",(x))  
    if x in c:
        print ("c",(x))

B is type list and C is type str.
I guess I am still a little too thick.  I would expect b and c to
work. 
http://i.imgur.com/dT3sEQq.jpg

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#79631

On Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:30:47 AM UTC+5:30, Seymore4Head wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:30:37 -0400, Seymore4Head wrote:
> 
> name="123-xyz-abc" 
> a=range(10)
> b=list(range(10))
> c=str(list(range(10)))
> print ("a",(a))
> print ("b",(b))
> print ("c",(c))
> 
> for x in name:
>     if x in a:
>         print ("a",(x))      
>     if x in b:
>         print ("b",(x))  
>     if x in c:
>         print ("c",(x))
> 
> B is type list and C is type str.
> I guess I am still a little too thick.  I would expect b and c to
> work. 

Lets simplify the problem a bit.
Do all the following in interpreter window

>>> name="012"
>>> b=list(range(3))

>>> for x in name:  print x

>>> for x in b: print x

Same or different?

Now go back to Denis' nice example and put in type(x)
into each print

Same or different?

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#79634

On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:27:58 -0700 (PDT), Rustom Mody
<rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:30:47 AM UTC+5:30, Seymore4Head wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:30:37 -0400, Seymore4Head wrote:
>> 
>> name="123-xyz-abc" 
>> a=range(10)
>> b=list(range(10))
>> c=str(list(range(10)))
>> print ("a",(a))
>> print ("b",(b))
>> print ("c",(c))
>> 
>> for x in name:
>>     if x in a:
>>         print ("a",(x))      
>>     if x in b:
>>         print ("b",(x))  
>>     if x in c:
>>         print ("c",(x))
>> 
>> B is type list and C is type str.
>> I guess I am still a little too thick.  I would expect b and c to
>> work. 
>
>Lets simplify the problem a bit.
>Do all the following in interpreter window
>
>>>> name="012"
>>>> b=list(range(3))
>
>>>> for x in name:  print x
>
>>>> for x in b: print x
>
>Same or different?
>
>Now go back to Denis' nice example and put in type(x)
>into each print
>
>Same or different?

First.  The interpreter is not good for me to use even when I am using
Python 3 because I forget to add :  and I forget to put () around the
print statements.

To keep me from having to correct myself every time I use it, it is
just easier to make a short py file.

Here is mine:

name="012"
b=list(range(3))
for x in name:  print (x)
print (type (x))
for x in b: print (x)
print (type (b))

I don't understand what I was supposed to learn from that.  I know
that name will be a string so x will be a string.
I would still think if you compare a 1 from a string to a 1 from a
list, it should be the same.

Obviously I am wrong, but we knew that already.
I get they are not the same, but I still think they should be.

name="012"
b=list(range(3))
print (name[1])
print ([1])

1
[1]

OK  I get it.  They are not the same.  I was expecting "1"

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#79636

On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:48:16 -0400, Seymore4Head
<Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:27:58 -0700 (PDT), Rustom Mody
><rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:30:47 AM UTC+5:30, Seymore4Head wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:30:37 -0400, Seymore4Head wrote:
>>> 
>>> name="123-xyz-abc" 
>>> a=range(10)
>>> b=list(range(10))
>>> c=str(list(range(10)))
>>> print ("a",(a))
>>> print ("b",(b))
>>> print ("c",(c))
>>> 
>>> for x in name:
>>>     if x in a:
>>>         print ("a",(x))      
>>>     if x in b:
>>>         print ("b",(x))  
>>>     if x in c:
>>>         print ("c",(x))
>>> 
>>> B is type list and C is type str.
>>> I guess I am still a little too thick.  I would expect b and c to
>>> work. 
>>
>>Lets simplify the problem a bit.
>>Do all the following in interpreter window
>>
>>>>> name="012"
>>>>> b=list(range(3))
>>
>>>>> for x in name:  print x
>>
>>>>> for x in b: print x
>>
>>Same or different?
>>
>>Now go back to Denis' nice example and put in type(x)
>>into each print
>>
>>Same or different?
>
>First.  The interpreter is not good for me to use even when I am using
>Python 3 because I forget to add :  and I forget to put () around the
>print statements.
>
>To keep me from having to correct myself every time I use it, it is
>just easier to make a short py file.
>
>Here is mine:
>
>name="012"
>b=list(range(3))
>for x in name:  print (x)
>print (type (x))
>for x in b: print (x)
>print (type (b))
>
>I don't understand what I was supposed to learn from that.  I know
>that name will be a string so x will be a string.
>I would still think if you compare a 1 from a string to a 1 from a
>list, it should be the same.
>
>Obviously I am wrong, but we knew that already.
>I get they are not the same, but I still think they should be.
>
>name="012"
>b=list(range(3))
>print (name[1])
>print ([1])
>
>1
>[1]
>
>OK  I get it.  They are not the same.  I was expecting "1"
>
Wait!  I don't get it.
name="012"
b=list(range(3))
print (name[1])
print (b[1])
1
1

I forgot the b

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#79638

On 2014-10-25 00:57, Seymore4Head wrote:
[snip]
> Wait!  I don't get it.
> name="012"
> b=list(range(3))
> print (name[1])
> print (b[1])
> 1
> 1
>
> I forgot the b
>
If you print the int 1, you'll see:

1

If you print the string "1", you'll see:

1

Normally you want it to print only the characters of the string. Think
how annoying it would be if every time you printed a string it appeared
in quotes:

 >>> print("Hello world!")
'Hello world!'

How could you print just the text:

Hello world!

No, it's better that it prints the characters of the string.

One function you can use is repr:

x = 1
y = "1"
print(repr(x))
print(repr(y))

This will print:

1
'1'

OK, now it's clear that x is an int and y is a string.

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#79640

On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 01:20:53 +0100, MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com>
wrote:

>On 2014-10-25 00:57, Seymore4Head wrote:
>[snip]
>> Wait!  I don't get it.
>> name="012"
>> b=list(range(3))
>> print (name[1])
>> print (b[1])
>> 1
>> 1
>>
>> I forgot the b
>>
>If you print the int 1, you'll see:
>
>1
>
>If you print the string "1", you'll see:
>
>1
>
>Normally you want it to print only the characters of the string. Think
>how annoying it would be if every time you printed a string it appeared
>in quotes:
>
> >>> print("Hello world!")
>'Hello world!'
>
>How could you print just the text:
>
>Hello world!
>
>No, it's better that it prints the characters of the string.
>
>One function you can use is repr:
>
>x = 1
>y = "1"
>print(repr(x))
>print(repr(y))
>
>This will print:
>
>1
>'1'
>
>OK, now it's clear that x is an int and y is a string.

Yes

x = 123
y = "123"
z = [1,2,3]
print(repr(x))
print(repr(y))
print(repr(z))
123
'123'
[1, 2, 3]

Thanks

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