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Re: Do you like the current design of python.org?

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>> Did you ever hit the "Socialize" button?

No, but it doesn't bother me.

>> Are you eager to see the latest
>> tweets when you are reading a PEP?

No, but it doesn't bother me either. You can easily block twitter
related things by a number of ways, firewalls, /etc/hosts, etc.

>> Do you run away screaming from a page
>> where nothing moves without you hitting a button? Do you appreciate the
>> choice between ten or so links to the documentation?

No, but it doesn't bother me at all.

> I dislike the new design of python.org.

I actually love it a lot! Big improvement over the previous site I think.

> The formatting of long text essays get completely mangled towards the
> bottom
> of the page, e.g.:
>
> https://www.python.org/download/releases/2.2/descrintro

It doesn't look mangled to me (firefox 22).

> Many links are broken. When you click on the broken link, it says that it
> has been reported and will be fixed, but weeks later it remains broken,
> e.g.:
>
> https://www.python.org/doc/essays/metaclasses/Eiffel.py

What makes you think that this page is ought to return actual content?

> It requires Javascript or else basic functionality fails. With Javascript,
> basic functionality fails too, but in a much more entertaining and exciting
> way, as in "I'm trying to click a button on that menu, why does the screen
> keep refreshing and hiding the menu before I can click?".

I never encountered screen refreshings that I did not trigger myself.

> I'm not terribly impressed by the design or the colour scheme, it's way
> too "web 2.0", i.e. simultaneously pretentious and dumbed down.

I think it looks great! We agree to disagree I guess; see more below.

> But most of all, I despise the menus that pop up covering what I am trying
> to read the page just because I happened to move the mouse over a button. I
> loathe the practice of stuffing content into menus instead of using links
> to individual web pages. And I hold nothing but scorn for the fact that the
> main page has a slideshow.

And what would you estimate, how many standard deviations are you away
from the average viewer of python.org in terms of these metrics (where
the metrics are like/dislike of menus, like/dislike of mouse moving,
like/dislike of unexpected browser behavior, like/dislike of links,
like/dislike of slide shows, etc.)?

> But none of that even gets close to the spitting fury I feel when I see
> the "Socialise" links. With the possible exception of the link to
> http://irc.freenode.net/ which at least has the vague excuse that there is
> a #python channel, not that a visitor to the python.org website has any way
> to learn this.

And what would you estimate, how many standard deviations are you away
from the average viewer of python.org in terms of these metrics (where
now the metrics are like/dislike of social links, social websites,
etc.)?

> Oh, I've just discovered that when you click in the search box, a perfectly
> serviceable search box, it automatically expands by about 20%, just
> because.

And that is a problem because?

> Urge to kill rising...

I didn't see the disclaimer "No living thing was harmed while typing
this email." below your message so I'm kinda worried!

Cheers,
Daniel


>> You can probably guess my opinion -- konqueror just crashed on the PEP
>> index and for some reason I'm more annoyed about the page than about the
>> browser.
>>
>>
>> PS: Is there a twitter.com something that I can block to trade black
>> friday and cyber monkey sales for a box with a good old error message?
>
> I love konquorer as a file manager, but I've come to the conclusion that
> Firefox is the absolute worst web browser available, except for all the
> rest. Firefox has a wonderful plugin, No Script, which lets you block
> Javascript and other nonsense on a per-site basis.
>
> I love me my No Script. Browsing the web is so painful without it.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Steven
>
> --
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>


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