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Re: The binding operator, and what gets bound to what (was: About Modifying Globals)

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On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> Oh, I learned something new: strictly speaking, this is implementation-
> dependent and not guaranteed to work in the future!
>
> def func():
>     global math
>     import math

When would you actually *want* this, though? Given that 'import'
already caches, there's not much point caching globally, and the idea
that a function could cause a module-level import to happen is pretty
weird!

The only scheme I could concoct would be something like this:

def use_foo():
    global useme
    import foo as useme
    # code to initialize foo for our use

def use_bar():
    global useme
    import bar as useme
    # likewise

def do_stuff():
    useme.blah(1,2,3,4)

So, for instance, if you need a JavaScript executor, you might support
several different runtimes, and allow one to be selected like this.
But this would be serious code smell.

ChrisA

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About Modifying Globals LJ <luisjosenovoa@gmail.com> - 2014-12-04 12:09 -0800
  Re: About Modifying Globals Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-12-05 07:22 +1100
  Re: About Modifying Globals Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-12-04 13:21 -0700
  Re: About Modifying Globals Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-12-04 18:54 -0500
  Re: About Modifying Globals Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-12-05 10:58 +1100
  Re: About Modifying Globals Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-12-05 13:09 +1100
    The binding operator, and what gets bound to what (was: About Modifying Globals) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-12-05 16:36 +1100
      Re: The binding operator, and what gets bound to what (was: About Modifying Globals) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-12-05 20:53 +1100
        Re: The binding operator, and what gets bound to what (was: About Modifying Globals) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-12-05 21:03 +1100
          Re: The binding operator, and what gets bound to what (was: About Modifying Globals) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-12-05 23:26 +1100
            Re: The binding operator, and what gets bound to what (was: About Modifying Globals) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-12-05 23:42 +1100
        Re: The binding operator, and what gets bound to what Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-12-05 07:06 -0500
          Re: The binding operator, and what gets bound to what Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-12-05 23:34 +1100
            Re: The binding operator, and what gets bound to what Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-12-05 23:48 +1100
            Re: The binding operator, and what gets bound to what Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-12-05 07:56 -0500
  Re: About Modifying Globals "shiyao.ma" <i@introo.me> - 2014-12-05 10:53 +0800

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