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| Date | Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:38:24 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: Python handles globals badly. |
| From | jtan <admin@grails.asia> |
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I wish him all the luck while having sleep deprivation trying to solve production issues :) On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Steven D'Aprano < steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote: > jtan wrote: > > > How can Skybuck use so much globals. Wouldn't that introduce a lot of > > thread safety problems? > > Of course it would. But I expect that Skybuck probably doesn't even know > what threads are. Or if he does, he probably doesn't believe that they > should be used. > > Thread safety is just the start of the problems with global variables: > > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GlobalVariablesAreBad > > Globals in Python are less bad than in many other languages, since they are > localised to a single module only. And the use of a few globals here and > there as needed is perfectly fine for small scripts. But using dozens of > them to avoid passing arguments to functions, that's just awful code. > > > -- > Steven > > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > -- Freelance Grails <http://grails.asia/> and Java <http://javadevnotes.com/> developer
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