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| From | Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> |
|---|---|
| Subject | Re: (test) ? a:b |
| Date | 2014-10-25 07:58 -0400 |
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On 10/25/14 1:03 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> alister wrote:
>
>> >On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:20:30 -0700, Dan Stromberg wrote:
>> >
>>> >>On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Steven D'Aprano
>>> >><steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
>>>> >>>I don't get why that's considered hard to read.
>>> >>
>>>> >>>So why is it hard to read when the index is a flag?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>value = [f, g][cond]()
>>> >>
> [Dan]
>>> >>It's clear to you, it's clear to me, but is it clear to everyone? I
>>> >>very much doubt it.
> Of course it won't be clear to*everyone* but it should be clear enough to
> people who are familiar with standard Python idioms. A concrete example
> should be more obvious than the fake example:
>
> title = ('Mr', 'Ms')[person.sex == 'F']
>
> which should be clear to anyone who understands indexing in Python and that
> True == 1 and False == 0.
You mention "standard Python idioms." I think this style of
conditional-via-indexing is becoming quite uncommon, and is no longer
one of the standard Python idioms. This is now in the category of
"outdated hack."
Yes, its meaning is well-defined by the language. But no, its meaning
is not immediately apparent to most of today's Python programmers.
Of course, opinions obviously differ.
--
Ned Batchelder, http://nedbatchelder.com
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Re: (test) ? a:b Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-10-25 07:58 -0400
Re: (test) ? a:b Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 07:53 -0600
Re: (test) ? a:b Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-25 14:11 -0400
Re: (test) ? a:b alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-10-25 19:49 +0000
Re: (test) ? a:b Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-10-26 07:45 +1100
Re: (test) ? a:b Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-10-26 11:10 +1100
Re: (test) ? a:b Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-10-26 12:03 +1100
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Re: (test) ? a:b Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-10-26 17:12 -0400
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Re: (test) ? a:b Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 19:38 -0700
Re: (test) ? a:b Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2014-10-27 02:43 +0000
Re: (test) ? a:b Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-10-27 13:56 +1100
Re: (test) ? a:b Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 15:34 -0700
Re: (test) ? a:b Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-10-26 10:53 +1100
Re: (test) ? a:b Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 11:01 +1100
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