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On 10/23/2014 3:39 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Seymore4Head > <Seymore4Head@hotmail.invalid> wrote: >> BTW I forgot to add that example 2 and 3 don't seem to be too useful >> in Python 3, but they are in Python 2. I don't understand how the >> Python 3 is an improved version. > > In Python 2, range returns a list containing all the requested > elements. This is simple to work with but often not desirable, because > it forces the entire sequence to be loaded into memory at once. Large > ranges may cause excessive memory use and related slowdowns, while > very large ranges may not even be usable. > > In Python 3, range returns a compact object that knows what elements > it contains and can iterate over them (which is the most common use of > ranges by far), but without needing to load them all into memory at > once. While iterating, only the current element needs to exist in > memory. You can still get the range as a list if you want it, by > calling list(range(10)), but it doesn't force you to create a list, > which makes it more versatile than the Python 2 construct. > > The more specialized data structure used in Python 3 also allows for > certain optimizations, for example membership testing. In Python 2, if > you do the test "97 in range(100)", it has to construct a 100-element > list and then iterate over 97 of the elements before discovering that > the list does in fact contain the number 97. The Python 3 range object > knows what the bounds of the range are, so all it has to do is check > that 0 <= 97 < 100 to know that the number 97 is included in the > range. Example that works 'instantly' in 3.x, but would be slightly insane in 2.x, even if you have enough memory for it to work on a 64 bit build. >>> r =range(0, 1000000000000000, 999937) >>> 3428761974385 in r False >>> 3428761974386 in r True -- Terry Jan Reedy
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I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 16:30 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2014-10-22 16:57 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 17:04 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2014-10-22 14:35 -0700
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 17:38 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-22 22:28 +0100
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 18:30 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 18:32 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-22 23:55 +0100
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 19:26 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-23 00:44 +0100
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 20:02 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-10-23 02:29 +0100
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 11:37 +1000
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 21:52 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-22 19:58 -0700
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 23:05 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-22 20:16 -0700
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-10-23 02:31 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-10-23 00:09 +0100
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-23 00:10 -0700
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-23 09:23 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 10:00 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-23 20:23 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 09:53 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 09:15 +0000
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 10:04 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 15:55 +0000
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 13:01 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 13:07 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 13:39 -0600
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 16:15 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-23 16:44 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-10-23 22:03 +0100
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-23 19:13 -0700
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-10-23 23:14 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 14:32 +1100
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 21:56 -0700
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 10:38 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 01:51 +1100
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 11:04 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 02:13 +1100
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 08:56 -0700
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 10:35 -0600
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 10:10 -0700
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Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 14:15 -0400
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Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 15:07 -0400
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Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-24 23:46 -0700
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 08:17 -0600
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-25 14:47 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2014-10-24 11:57 -0700
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 15:09 -0400
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Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 16:00 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 21:19 +0000
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 17:35 -0400
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Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 09:54 -0700
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 13:04 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 10:17 -0700
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-10-24 18:09 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 18:27 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 16:01 -0700
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-10-24 20:27 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-24 20:42 -0400
Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 11:05 -0600
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Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-10-24 15:11 -0600
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Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-10-25 18:48 -0400
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Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 19:11 -0400
The “trials” in “trial and error” should be as simple as possible (was: I am out of trial and error again Lists) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-10-23 10:59 +1100
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Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-10-25 10:24 -0700
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