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Re: caught in the import web again

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On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 08:14:05 +0100, dieter wrote:

> "Charles T. Smith" <cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com> writes:
>> Now, I'm getting these errors:
>>
>>   ImportError: cannot import name ...
>>
>> and
>>
>>   AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute ...
>>
>> (what is 'module'?)
>>
>> Is there a way to resolve this without having to restructure my code
>> every couple of days?
>>
>> I thought using imports of the form:
>>
>>   from module import symbol
>>
>> was the "right way" to avoid these hassles...
> 
> I have not noticed your previous posts regarding import problems --
> thus, I may repeats things already said.
> 
> Usually, Python imports are straight forward and do not lead to
> surprises. There are two exceptions: recursive imports and imports in
> separate threads. Let's look at the problem areas in turn.
> 
> Recursive imports. In this case you have module "A" which imports module
> "B" (maybe indirectly via a sequence of intervening imports) which
> imports module "A". In this, "import" means either "import ..." or "from
> ... import ..." (it does not matter). When module "B" tries to import
> module "A", then "A" is not yet complete (as during the execution of
> "A"'s initialization code, it started to import "B" (maybe indirectly)
> and the following initialization code has not yet been executed). As a
> consequence, you may get "AttributeError" (or "ImportError") when you
> try to access things from "A". To avoid problems like this, try to avoid
> recursive imports. One way to do this, are local imports -- i.e. imports
> inside a function. This way, the import happens when the functions is
> called which (hopefully) happens after module initialization.


Yes, we're talking about recursive imports here.  It's a complex, object-
oriented system with big classes and little classes that are strongly 
interrelated.  I can get the imports configured properly so everything 
works but if I make a little change to the code, then suddenly all my 
imports are broken and I must painstakingly go through the whole 
structure, reorganizing them.

Are others equally frustrated by this or is there a trick or principle 
that I'm missing.  At this point, I guess the way I'll have to proceed is 
to put every class in its own file, no matter how small.  Hopefully that 
takes care of the problem.

I compared perl's object-oriented philosophy with python's and didn't 
like how perl *requires* you to put everything into its own file.  Now it 
looks like python does, too, implicitly.


cts

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caught in the import web again "Charles T. Smith" <cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com> - 2014-11-15 22:52 +0000
  Re: caught in the import web again Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-11-16 10:43 +1100
  Re: caught in the import web again Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-11-16 01:11 +0000
  Re: caught in the import web again dieter <dieter@handshake.de> - 2014-11-16 08:14 +0100
    Re: caught in the import web again "Charles T. Smith" <cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com> - 2014-11-16 08:53 +0000
      Re: caught in the import web again Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-16 20:20 +1100
      Re: caught in the import web again dieter <dieter@handshake.de> - 2014-11-17 08:08 +0100
        Re: caught in the import web again "Charles T. Smith" <cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com> - 2014-11-17 20:07 +0000
          Re: caught in the import web again Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-11-17 17:17 -0500
          Re: caught in the import web again Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-17 15:52 -0700
          Re: caught in the import web again Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-11-17 20:20 -0500
          Re: caught in the import web again Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-18 08:28 -0700
          Re: caught in the import web again Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-11-18 14:09 -0500
          Re: caught in the import web again Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-19 07:18 +1100
          Re: caught in the import web again Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-11-18 17:58 -0500
      Re: caught in the import web again Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-18 09:45 +1100
        Re: caught in the import web again Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-17 18:17 -0800
          Re: caught in the import web again Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-18 13:25 +1100
          Re: caught in the import web again Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-18 07:13 +0000
        Re: caught in the import web again Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-11-18 00:00 -0700
          Re: caught in the import web again "Charles T. Smith" <cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com> - 2014-11-18 09:13 +0000

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