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From Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid>
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Subject Re: Classes
Date Fri, 31 Oct 2014 17:40:44 +0000 (UTC)
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On 2014-10-31, Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:49:43 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards
><invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2014-10-31, Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Seymore4Head
>>><Seymore4Head@hotmail.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Because the topic of that lesson was getter setter.
>>>> I can construct an __init___  but I was practicing get/set.
>>>
>>> Doesn't sound like a very good lesson to me.
>>
>>It's not.  It's teaching java or C++ or some other language while
>>using a Python compiler.
>>
>>> Getters and setters are the Java way of doing things. The Pythonic
>>> way is to just use an attribute, and then replace it with a property
>>> in the unlikely event that getter/setter logic needs to be added.
>>
>>Exactly.
>
> In this class, we will follow the practice of accessing the contents
> of objects using methods known as getters and setters.

IOW...

"In this class, we're not going to learn Python.  We're going to learn
Java. But actually _using_ Java is too much hassle, so we'll write
Java using Python instead."

> While not required by Python, this practice encourages the user of
> the class to manipulates class objects solely via class methods.

Which is a Java/C++ thing.

> The advantage of following this practice is that the implementer of
> the class definition (often someone other than the user of the class)
> may restructure the organization of the data fields associated with
> the object while avoiding the need to rewrite code that uses the
> class.

That's wrong.  That statement about using getter/setter having that
advantage is false (if you're talking about Python).  It may be true
in Java or C++ or whatever language the lesson's author is teaching,
but it's not true of Python.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! A shapely CATHOLIC
                                  at               SCHOOLGIRL is FIDGETING
                              gmail.com            inside my costume..

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Classes   Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-30 16:16 -0400
  Re: Classes sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2014-10-30 13:33 -0700
    Re: Classes Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-30 17:00 -0400
  Re: Classes Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2014-10-30 13:34 -0700
    Re: Classes Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-30 17:00 -0400
  Re: Classes Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-30 14:28 -0700
    Re: Classes Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-30 17:34 -0400
      Re: Classes sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2014-10-30 18:21 -0700
      Re: Classes alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-10-31 09:59 +0000
        Re: Classes Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-31 10:07 -0400
  Re: Classes   "ast" <nomail@invalid.com> - 2014-10-31 10:05 +0100
    Re: Classes   "ast" <nomail@invalid.com> - 2014-10-31 10:18 +0100
      Re: Classes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-10-31 20:21 +1100
    Re: Classes   Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-31 10:05 -0400
      Re: Classes Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-10-31 08:47 -0600
        Re: Classes Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-10-31 15:49 +0000
          Re: Classes Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-31 12:31 -0400
            Re: Classes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-01 03:37 +1100
              Re: Classes Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-31 12:47 -0400
                Re: Classes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-01 04:02 +1100
                Re: Classes Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-31 13:31 -0400
                Re: Classes Zachary Ware <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> - 2014-10-31 12:39 -0500
                Re: Classes Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-31 13:57 -0400
                Re: Classes Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2014-10-31 10:40 -0700
                Re: Classes Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-11-01 11:17 +1300
                Re: Classes Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-01 12:06 +1100
                Re: Classes Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-01 00:12 -0600
                Re: Classes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-01 17:32 +1100
                Re: Classes Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-11-03 00:32 +1300
            Re: Classes Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-10-31 13:20 -0400
            Re: Classes Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-10-31 19:35 +0200
            Re: Classes Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-10-31 17:40 +0000
            Re: Classes Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-31 18:26 -0400
              Re: Classes Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-01 12:09 +1100
      Re: Classes   Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-01 04:06 +1100
        Re: Classes   Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-31 13:18 -0400
          Re: Classes Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2014-10-31 10:43 -0700
            Re: Classes Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-31 14:18 -0400
              Re: Classes Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-31 14:42 -0400
              Re: Classes Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-31 18:57 -0400
                Re: Classes Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-31 19:22 -0400
                Re: Classes Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-31 19:32 -0400
                Re: Classes Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-11-01 12:00 -0400
                Re: Classes Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-11-01 12:42 -0400
                Re: Classes Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-11-02 09:50 +0000
                Re: Classes Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-11-02 21:32 +1100
                Re: Classes Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-11-02 12:27 +0000
                Re: Classes Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-11-02 11:31 -0500
                Re: Classes Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-11-03 03:12 +0000
                Re: Classes Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2014-11-03 06:29 +0000
                Re: Classes Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-11-04 01:10 +0000
                Re: Classes Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-11-04 18:30 +1300
                Re: Classes Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-11-03 08:50 -0500
                Re: Classes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-04 02:34 +1100
                Re: Classes Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-03 07:47 -0700
                Re: Classes Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2014-11-02 14:03 -0800
            Re: Classes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-01 07:51 +1100
              Re: Classes sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2014-10-31 14:24 -0700
                Re: Classes Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2014-10-31 14:40 -0700
                Re: Classes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-01 08:56 +1100
                Re: Classes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-01 08:36 +1100
          Re: Classes Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-10-31 17:43 +0000
    Re: Classes Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-31 14:11 +0000
    Re: Classes   Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-31 12:49 -0400
      Re: Classes   "ast" <nomail@invalid.com> - 2014-10-31 19:31 +0100
        Re: Classes   Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-31 14:36 -0400
        Re: Classes Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2014-10-31 14:41 -0400
          Re: Classes Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-31 14:56 -0400

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