ILP is still dreaming of higher order (Was: Prolog Education Group clueless about the AI Boom?)

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.prolog
Subject	ILP is still dreaming of higher order (Was: Prolog Education Group clueless about the AI Boom?)
Date	2025-03-07 23:58 +0100
Message-ID	<vqftm2$16pcl$1@solani.org> (permalink)
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The first deep learning breakthrough was
AlexNet by Alex Krizhevsky, Ilya Sutskever
and Geoffrey Hinton:

 > In 2011, Geoffrey Hinton started reaching out
 > to colleagues about “What do I have to do to
 > convince you that neural networks are the future?”
 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlexNet

Meanwhile ILP is still dreaming of higher order logic:

 > We pull it out of thin air. And the job that does
 > is, indeed, that it breaks up relations into
 > sub-relations or sub-routines, if you prefer.

You mean this here:

 > Background knowledge (Second Order)
 > -----------------------------------
 > (Chain) ∃.P,Q,R ∀.x,y,z: P(x,y)← Q(x,z),R(z,y)
 >
 > https://github.com/stassa/vanilla/tree/master/lib/poker

Thats too general, it doesn’t adress
analogical reasoning.

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Concerning this boring nonsense:
> 
> https://book.simply-logical.space/src/text/2_part_ii/5.3.html#
> 
> Funny idea that anybody would be interested just now in
> the year 2025 in things like teaching breadth first
> search versus depth first search, or even be “mystified”
> by such stuff. Its extremly trivial stuff:
> 
> Insert your favorite tree traversal pictures here.
> 
> Its even not artificial intelligence neither has anything
> to do with mathematical logic, rather belongs to computer
> science and discrete mathematics which you have in
> 1st year university
> 
> courses, making it moot to call it “simply logical”. It
> reminds me of the idea of teaching how wax candles work
> to dumb down students, when just light bulbs have been
> invented. If this is the outcome
> 
> of the Prolog Education Group 2.0, then good night.
>

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Prolog Education Group clueless about the AI Boom? Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-03-03 14:18 +0100
  Re: Prolog Education Group clueless about the AI Boom? Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-03-03 14:20 +0100
    Salary Templates if you "Grok" ML / AI [PhDs Negotiate Salaries] (Re: Prolog Education Group clueless about the AI Boom?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-03-03 18:03 +0100
  ILP is still dreaming of higher order (Was: Prolog Education Group clueless about the AI Boom?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-03-07 23:58 +0100
    Re: ILP is still dreaming of higher order (Was: Prolog Education Group clueless about the AI Boom?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-03-08 00:00 +0100
  FYI: Philip Zucker’s Co-Egraphs (Was: Prolog Education Group clueless about the AI Boom?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-12 18:37 +0200
    Using Hopcroft & Karp (HK) everywhere (Was: FYI: Philip Zucker’s Co-Egraphs) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-14 12:31 +0200
      Confusing "decidable problem" and "complete algorithm" (Was: Using Hopcroft & Karp (HK) everywhere) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-14 14:31 +0200
        DFA algorithms in a Python library (Re: Confusing "decidable problem" and "complete algorithm") Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-14 15:14 +0200
      Static Variable Shunting in Dogelog Player (Was: Using Hopcroft & Karp (HK) everywhere) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-16 11:22 +0200
        Dynamic Variable Shunting in WebPL (Was: Static Variable Shunting in Dogelog Player) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-16 11:34 +0200
          SWI-Prolog is still the OG of GC (Was: Dynamic Variable Shunting in WebPL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-16 11:46 +0200
            Cyclic Term Unification is Accounted (Was: SWI-Prolog is still the OG of GC) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-16 11:59 +0200
            WebPL is an interesting project (Was: SWI-Prolog is still the OG of GC) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-17 18:00 +0200
              Head to Head Race with Scryer Prolog (Was: WebPL is an interesting project) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-17 18:24 +0200
                Does Variable Age make Sense? [Prolog Unification] (Was: Head to Head Race with Scryer Prolog) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-02-10 12:05 +0100
                Type systems for non-deterministic concurrency [Amir Pnueli] (Was: Does Variable Age make Sense? [Prolog Unification]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 12:20 +0200
                Robin Milners fickle gives non-determinism in practice [Parallel π-WAM] (Was: Type systems for non-deterministic concurrency [Amir Pnueli]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 12:34 +0200
  Sleepy Joe and the Poor South (Local AI Emacs Mode) (Re: Prolog Education Group clueless about the AI Boom?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-12 12:59 +0100
    Beyond Sleepy Joe around the World (Was: Sleepy Joe and the Poor South (Local AI Emacs Mode)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-12 13:12 +0100
  GENESIS MISSION: Loosing it over Deep Pokets [Business wants A-Life] (Was: Prolog Education Group clueless about the AI Boom?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-26 18:07 +0100
  Vanilla Prolog: semi-decidable =\= decidable (Re: Prolog Education Group clueless about the AI Boom?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-03-14 20:40 +0100
    Its on the Internet, so it must be true? (Was: Vanilla Prolog: semi-decidable =\= decidable) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-03-16 11:01 +0100
    Hack + Computed Goto = Leightweigh C_OR (Was: Vanilla Prolog: semi-decidable =\= decidable) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-04 16:58 +0200
      The stack and choice points as an after match (Re: Hack + Computed Goto = Leightweigh C_OR) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-04 17:07 +0200
        Introduction to AI Accelerator Prolog [π-WAM of Dogelog] (Was: The stack and choice points as an after match) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-17 10:49 +0200
          Not praying to the god of lambda calculus [π beats α] (Was: Introduction to AI Accelerator Prolog [π-WAM of Dogelog]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-17 11:13 +0200
          pi in pi-WAM refers to pi-calculus (Re: Introduction to AI Accelerator Prolog [π-WAM of Dogelog]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-18 01:22 +0200
            Milners fickle() in pi-WAM [For fun and profit] (Re: pi in pi-WAM refers to pi-calculus (Re: Introduction to AI Accelerator Prolog [π-WAM of Dogelog]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-18 01:49 +0200
              Robin Milners pi calculus is typeless (Re: Milners fickle() in pi-WAM [For fun and profit]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-18 11:00 +0200
                Can the Church Turing hypotheses be refuted? [TLo @ FOM] (Re: Robin Milners pi calculus is typeless) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-18 11:10 +0200
          Accelerate Lean! From Theorem 3.11 to Corollary 3.12 [ZMC] (Was: Introduction to AI Accelerator Prolog [π-WAM of Dogelog]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-19 16:06 +0200
            ANN: Library Pegg, for π-E-graphs [Not EXWM] (Was: Accelerate Lean! From Theorem 3.11 to Corollary 3.12 [ZMC]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-19 16:21 +0200

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