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| Started by | Alan <alan.isaac@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-07-12 07:47 -0700 |
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linecap rendering with zero-length lines Alan <alan.isaac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 07:47 -0700
Re: linecap rendering with zero-length lines ken <ken@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-12 17:12 +0100
Re: linecap rendering with zero-length lines Alan <alan.isaac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 10:37 -0700
Re: linecap rendering with zero-length lines Alan <alan.isaac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 10:58 -0700
Re: linecap rendering with zero-length lines Markus Triska <triska@metalevel.at> - 2016-07-12 21:39 +0200
Re: linecap rendering with zero-length lines ken <ken@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-13 07:47 +0100
Re: linecap rendering with zero-length lines Peter Billam <peter@www.pjb.com.au> - 2016-07-20 01:09 +0000
Re: linecap rendering with zero-length lines jdaw1 <jdawiseman@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 03:02 -0700
| From | Alan <alan.isaac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-12 07:47 -0700 |
| Subject | linecap rendering with zero-length lines |
| Message-ID | <a40375f0-4eed-4d43-aa23-4f005124400f@googlegroups.com> |
A GhostScript bug report (not mine) was rejected as invalid that appears valid to me: http://bugs.ghostscript.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695830 As I read p.672 of PLRM3, the bug reporter was correct that the cap should be rendered. In fact, GhostScript previously accepted and corrected a bug report on the rounded cap, and it does render for zero-length lines. So now there is an inconsistency in the handling of the two line caps. Am I right that this is a GhostScript bug? Admittedly, Distiller behaves the same way.
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| From | ken <ken@spamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2016-07-12 17:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.31ef274b48414dfc989908@usenet.plus.net> |
| In reply to | #2691 |
In article <a40375f0-4eed-4d43-aa23-4f005124400f@googlegroups.com>, alan.isaac@gmail.com says... > A GhostScript bug report (not mine) was rejected as invalid that appears valid to me: http://bugs.ghostscript.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695830 Something very odd here, after I closed your bug report as invalid http://bugs.ghostscript.com/show_bug.cgi?id=696920 you then appear to have moved the conversation onto a different bug, 695830, which had previously been closed for the same reason. Was this intentional ? I admit both of us commenting on the bug 696920 missed the fact that you had jumped to a different bug report. > Admittedly, Distiller behaves the same way. As do 2 other PostScript RIPs, including I believe the Adobe CPSI RIP which, as I noted in the bug report, we take to be the reference implementation.
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| From | Alan <alan.isaac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-12 10:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f6ca5c7c-a9d9-40af-a5a2-8b1faf54a826@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2692 |
I found the other bug after making my report. I then realized I should have opened the discussion here, which I have now done. Apologies for the backwards timeline. Putting aside the idea of that a reference RIP should serve as a standard even if it violates the written reference manual, can you offer any conceptual rationalization for the inconsistent treatment of the round and square line caps? Thanks!
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| From | Alan <alan.isaac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-12 10:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1dd3aa1d-e0a5-46f9-bbd1-806e10933bc6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2693 |
The explanation is rather obvious but occurs in the PDF manual: "If a subpath is degenerate (consists of a single-point closed path or of two or more points at the same coordinates), the S operator shall paint it only if round line caps have been specified, producing a filled circle centered at the single point. If butt or projecting square line caps have been specified, S shall produce no output, because the orientation of the caps would be indeterminate."
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| From | Markus Triska <triska@metalevel.at> |
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| Date | 2016-07-12 21:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m2h9bufxyd.fsf@metalevel.at> |
| In reply to | #2694 |
Alan <alan.isaac@gmail.com> writes: > The explanation is rather obvious but occurs in the PDF manual: Thank you Alan for sorting this out! It's a compelling argument. All the best, Markus
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| From | ken <ken@spamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 07:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.31eff462a882ae34989909@usenet.plus.net> |
| In reply to | #2693 |
In article <f6ca5c7c-a9d9-40af-a5a2-8b1faf54a826@googlegroups.com>, alan.isaac@gmail.com says... > Putting aside the idea of that a reference RIP should serve as a standard even if it violates the written reference manual, can you offer any conceptual rationalization for the inconsistent treatment of the round and square line caps? No, I haven't tried to. In fact Ghostscript used to draw no caps at all on zero length strokes, which I see as an entirely defensible position; you aren't drawing the stroke, so why draw the caps. The comments in our code suggest that (some considerable time ago) it was pointed out that Adobe RIPs in fact draw circles for round caps. The comments indicate that the initial response was to alter the code to draw all line caps; which I would see as the other defensible position. However further testing indicated that projecting square line caps are not drawn (apparently at least some versions of Acrobat did draw extremely thin lines for butt end caps, but this seems to be no longer the case). Nevertheless, our customers expect that a file printed via Ghostscript should match one printed via Adobe. Standard industry test suites, such as the Quality Logic tests, use Adobe RIPs as the reference and require that interpreters match that behavior; ant deviations have to be explained, even when its things like architectural limits being different. As a result Ghostscript was modified to follow the reference implementation.
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| From | Peter Billam <peter@www.pjb.com.au> |
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| Date | 2016-07-20 01:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnotjq7.1ie.peter@box8.pjb.com.au> |
| In reply to | #2696 |
On 2016-07-13, ken <ken@spamcop.net> wrote: > Ghostscript used to draw no caps at all on zero length strokes, > which I see as an entirely defensible position; > you aren't drawing the stroke, so why draw the caps. By a strange coincidence, I yesterday ran into a use-case that justifies that position... I've been playing with ctransform from chapter 8 of http://www.math.ubc.ca/~cass/graphics/manual/ to implement some fun transforms. One of them was a "collapse" transform (think Black Hole, or Macular Degeneration) in which everything within a given circle collapses down to the center, and everything outside that circle stretches inward to fill the gap. This means that all the points inside the circle become at zero length from other. I want them to vanish, to not be displayed. I don't want them to display their caps. > As a result Ghostscript was modified to follow the reference > implementation. Hard to argue against that, though; Adobe wrote the book... Regards, Peter -- Peter Billam www.pjb.com.au www.pjb.com.au/comp/contact.html
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| From | jdaw1 <jdawiseman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-28 03:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ef5c2066-5f7b-4b5b-b4b4-a6ae34e4ae51@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2691 |
Related bug, recently discussed, about Adobe trimming moveto’s: http://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.postscript/amUp28S-JFM
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