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Parsing .css files with php: Cons?

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  Parsing .css files with php: Cons? "J. Frank Parnell" <juglesh@gmail.com> - 2012-01-16 13:36 -0800
    Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2012-01-17 11:42 +0100
    Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? "Álvaro G. Vicario" <alvaro.NOSPAMTHANX@demogracia.com.invalid> - 2012-01-17 13:31 +0100
    Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Captain Paralytic <paul_lautman@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-17 04:32 -0800
      Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? "J. Frank Parnell" <juglesh@gmail.com> - 2012-01-19 12:45 -0800
        Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Captain Paralytic <paul_lautman@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-20 02:07 -0800
          Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Michael Fesser <netizen@gmx.de> - 2012-01-20 11:25 +0100
            Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Captain Paralytic <paul_lautman@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-20 05:33 -0800
              Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Michael Fesser <netizen@gmx.de> - 2012-01-20 15:05 +0100
                Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Chuck Anderson <cycletourist@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-20 18:50 -0700
                  Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2012-01-21 08:10 +0100
                    Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Chuck Anderson <cycletourist@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-21 12:31 -0700
                      Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-01-21 15:53 -0500
                        Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Michael Fesser <netizen@gmx.de> - 2012-01-21 22:22 +0100
                          Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> - 2012-01-21 21:37 +0000
                            Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Michael Fesser <netizen@gmx.de> - 2012-01-22 22:35 +0100
                              Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-01-22 19:19 -0500
                          Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-01-21 17:08 -0500
                            Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Chuck Anderson <cycletourist@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-21 18:17 -0700
                              Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-01-21 23:14 -0500
                            Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Michael Fesser <netizen@gmx.de> - 2012-01-22 22:35 +0100
                              Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2012-01-22 17:14 -0600
                                Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-01-22 19:21 -0500
                                Re: Parsing .css files with php: Cons? Michael Fesser <netizen@gmx.de> - 2012-01-23 23:44 +0100

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#4574

.oO(Jerry Stuckle)

>On 1/21/2012 4:22 PM, Michael Fesser wrote:
>>
>> The whole point of using PHP for creating the CSS is to avoid having to
>> edit a dozen places in the CSS to change some color for example. Instead
>> you make use of PHP and variables. Much simpler.
>>
>> And if you still want a "static" CSS for performance reasons, you have
>> to preprocess it. Calling a script for doing this is not much work.
>> Dependent on the used IDE this could even be automated in the build and
>> upload process.
>
>Create your .css properly and you don't need to do that.

A typical short-sighted answer.

Another example: Assuming I want to use different color schemes on
different parts of the website, each with different nuances of the base
color. Of course I could edit the CSS by hand and calculate all needed
values by myself - a background color here, a border color there, some
text colors and others -, but I could also let PHP do the work: I just
define the base color and all others are calculated automatically.

And there are many other situations where some programming or
conditional logic in the CSS might come in handy, which has absolutely
nothing to do with your "properly created" CSS.

The only question - and what this sub-thread is all about - is whether
you want to have the CSS script parsed everytime or if you want to cache
the result. The latter is what Chuck does by calling his generator
script.

Micha

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http://mfesser.de/blickwinkel

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#4578

On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:35:08 +0100, Michael Fesser wrote:

> A typical short-sighted answer.
>
> Another example: Assuming I want to use different color schemes on
> different parts of the website, each with different nuances of the
> base color. Of course I could edit the CSS by hand and calculate all
> needed values by myself - a background color here, a border color
> there, some text colors and others -, but I could also let PHP do
> the work: I just define the base color and all others are calculated
> automatically.
>
> And there are many other situations where some programming or
> conditional logic in the CSS might come in handy, which has absolutely
> nothing to do with your "properly created" CSS.
>
> The only question - and what this sub-thread is all about - is whether
> you want to have the CSS script parsed everytime or if you want
> to cache the result. The latter is what Chuck does by calling his
> generator script.

No. 

You supply secondary ones that override the master/main one. Master one
referred to by absolute location, site-section overrides use relative
location*, per-page overrides get embedded. That's why they're called
"Cascading".

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* You are sectioning your site by directory hierarchy, aren't you? If
  not, you richly deserve whatever you get. If you're depending on a
  CMS, let the CMS deal with it.

-- 
Frankly, your argument wouldn't float were the sea composed of mercury.
              -- Biff

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#4581

On 1/22/2012 6:14 PM, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:35:08 +0100, Michael Fesser wrote:
>
>> A typical short-sighted answer.
>>
>> Another example: Assuming I want to use different color schemes on
>> different parts of the website, each with different nuances of the
>> base color. Of course I could edit the CSS by hand and calculate all
>> needed values by myself - a background color here, a border color
>> there, some text colors and others -, but I could also let PHP do
>> the work: I just define the base color and all others are calculated
>> automatically.
>>
>> And there are many other situations where some programming or
>> conditional logic in the CSS might come in handy, which has absolutely
>> nothing to do with your "properly created" CSS.
>>
>> The only question - and what this sub-thread is all about - is whether
>> you want to have the CSS script parsed everytime or if you want
>> to cache the result. The latter is what Chuck does by calling his
>> generator script.
>
> No.
>
> You supply secondary ones that override the master/main one. Master one
> referred to by absolute location, site-section overrides use relative
> location*, per-page overrides get embedded. That's why they're called
> "Cascading".
>

Exactly!



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#4590

.oO(Peter H. Coffin)

>On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:35:08 +0100, Michael Fesser wrote:
>>
>> And there are many other situations where some programming or
>> conditional logic in the CSS might come in handy, which has absolutely
>> nothing to do with your "properly created" CSS.
>>
>> The only question - and what this sub-thread is all about - is whether
>> you want to have the CSS script parsed everytime or if you want
>> to cache the result. The latter is what Chuck does by calling his
>> generator script.
>
>No. 

?

>You supply secondary ones that override the master/main one. Master one
>referred to by absolute location, site-section overrides use relative
>location*, per-page overrides get embedded. That's why they're called
>"Cascading".

What does this have to do with the issue discussed in this thread? Of
course I make use of the cascade where appropriate. But I also use PHP
to generate parts of my stylesheets when it makes sense.

Micha

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