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| Started by | nawfer <novalidsforspam@alt.al> |
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| First post | 2014-06-21 17:12 +0200 |
| Last post | 2014-06-21 19:41 -0400 |
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is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? nawfer <novalidsforspam@alt.al> - 2014-06-21 17:12 +0200
Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2014-06-21 19:42 +0200
Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-21 19:03 +0100
Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2014-06-21 20:22 +0200
Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-06-21 15:34 -0400
Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-06-21 15:29 -0400
Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 23:24 +0000
Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-06-21 19:41 -0400
| From | nawfer <novalidsforspam@alt.al> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 17:12 +0200 |
| Subject | is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? |
| Message-ID | <uvia2lgzpwiy$.14q20k6ldo9ya.dlg@40tude.net> |
if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam the dfault php mail function isn't good? is necessary smtp ? if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default configuration isn't good? I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient but would like know if I is possible to do directly with php mail function, or with smtp or if is mandatory to use mailchimp Isn't possible to use php mail function or have a smtp server with good configuration that can to do all the work instead of mailchimp or similar?
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| From | "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 19:42 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <c0lug3Fkk7uU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #13956 |
On 21/06/14 17:12, nawfer wrote: > if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible > to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam Depends on the spam rules at the receiving MTA, some don't do much spam filtering, others are quite strict and even drops the mail without notifying the sender nor the person to whom the mail was sent to. > the dfault php mail function isn't good? It works fine. Just see to that the mail don't have what the receiving MTA thinks i spam. > is necessary smtp ? yes. > if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default configuration > isn't good? There are loads of howto's how to install different MTA on your own server. Default settings works for sending mail, just receiving which default disabled. > I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient > but would like know if I is possible That is quite many mails for a small mail list, over 300 a day. The send amount depends on your bandwidth. If you send spam, then prepare on getting up to 1200 notifications a day that you couldn't send the mail. If you want just a serious mail list, there are mailman, but do not add users just for you think it's relevant for them, as this is illegal in many countries and you will most likely be blacklisted too. -- //Aho
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 19:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lo4he9$nvq$3@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #13956 |
On 21/06/14 16:12, nawfer wrote: > if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible > to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam > > the dfault php mail function isn't good? > is necessary smtp ? > if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default configuration > isn't good? > > I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient > but would like know if I is possible > > to do directly with php mail function, or with smtp or > if is mandatory to use mailchimp > > > Isn't possible to use php mail function or have a smtp server with good > configuration that can to do all the > > work instead of mailchimp or similar? > set up e.g, exim on your linux. php mail() will then use that. I have done this but it is not a trivial exercise. Ids your linux system domestic or virtual host? -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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| From | Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 20:22 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <i3vg7b-uok.ln1@luuk.invalid.lan> |
| In reply to | #13963 |
On 21-6-2014 20:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Ids your linux system domestic or virtual host? or a host that will be blocked soon because of the spam that coming from it.......
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 15:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lo4mov$8u7$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #13963 |
On 6/21/2014 2:03 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 21/06/14 16:12, nawfer wrote: >> if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible >> to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam >> >> the dfault php mail function isn't good? >> is necessary smtp ? >> if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default >> configuration >> isn't good? >> >> I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient >> but would like know if I is possible >> >> to do directly with php mail function, or with smtp or >> if is mandatory to use mailchimp >> >> >> Isn't possible to use php mail function or have a smtp server with good >> configuration that can to do all the >> >> work instead of mailchimp or similar? >> > > set up e.g, exim on your linux. > > php mail() will then use that. > I have done this but it is not a trivial exercise. > > Ids your linux system domestic or virtual host? > > > Probably the only MTA harder to secure properly than EXIM is sendmail. It is NOT something I would recommend for someone who has to ask such questions. P.S. No wonder TNP doesn't use his real name or email address - he probably doesn't want spammers to find his Exim system is wide open. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 15:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lo4me0$8u7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #13956 |
On 6/21/2014 11:12 AM, nawfer wrote: > if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible > to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam > > the dfault php mail function isn't good? > is necessary smtp ? > if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default configuration > isn't good? > > I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient > but would like know if I is possible > > to do directly with php mail function, or with smtp or > if is mandatory to use mailchimp > > > Isn't possible to use php mail function or have a smtp server with good > configuration that can to do all the > > work instead of mailchimp or similar? > It's never *mandatory* to use *anything*. The php mail() function is OK, but has its limitations. There are other PHP APIs such as phpmailer, which is much more flexible. You can set up your own smtp server, but that's not a PHP problem. You would need to check on what's available for your server. As for being regarded as SPAM - again, not a PHP problem. Check some of the email-related groups to get hints on how to get your email through without it being considered SPAM. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 23:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lo546i$k8a$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #13968 |
On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 15:29:04 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > As for being regarded as SPAM - again, not a PHP problem. Check some of > the email-related groups to get hints on how to get your email through > without it being considered SPAM. Amazingly, I find that not sending spam helps. -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcmahon@gmail.com
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 19:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lo5575$btt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #13977 |
On 6/21/2014 7:24 PM, Denis McMahon wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 15:29:04 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> As for being regarded as SPAM - again, not a PHP problem. Check some of >> the email-related groups to get hints on how to get your email through >> without it being considered SPAM. > > Amazingly, I find that not sending spam helps. > True, but he indicated he's sending a newsletter. I would hope this is a double opt-in newsletter. Just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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