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  is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? nawfer <novalidsforspam@alt.al> - 2014-06-21 17:12 +0200
    Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2014-06-21 19:42 +0200
    Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-21 19:03 +0100
      Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2014-06-21 20:22 +0200
      Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-06-21 15:34 -0400
    Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-06-21 15:29 -0400
      Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 23:24 +0000
        Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-06-21 19:41 -0400

#13956 — is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp?

if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible 
to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam

the dfault php mail function isn't good?
is necessary smtp ?
if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default configuration
isn't good?

I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient
but would like know if I is possible 

to do directly with php mail function, or with smtp or 
if is mandatory to use mailchimp


Isn't possible to use php mail function or have a smtp server with good
configuration that can to do all the 

work instead of mailchimp or similar?

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#13961

On 21/06/14 17:12, nawfer wrote:
> if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible
> to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam

Depends on the spam rules at the receiving MTA, some don't do much spam 
filtering, others are quite strict and even drops the mail without 
notifying the sender nor the person to whom the mail was sent to.


> the dfault php mail function isn't good?

It works fine. Just see to that the mail don't have what the receiving 
MTA thinks i spam.


> is necessary smtp ?

yes.


> if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default configuration
> isn't good?

There are loads of howto's how to install different MTA on your own 
server. Default settings works for sending mail, just receiving which 
default disabled.


> I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient
> but would like know if I is possible

That is quite many mails for a small mail list, over 300 a day. The send 
amount depends on your bandwidth. If you send spam, then prepare on 
getting up to 1200 notifications a day that you couldn't send the mail.


If you want just a serious mail list, there are mailman, but do not add 
users just for you think it's relevant for them, as this is illegal in 
many countries and you will most likely be blacklisted too.


-- 

  //Aho

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#13963

On 21/06/14 16:12, nawfer wrote:
> if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible
> to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam
>
> the dfault php mail function isn't good?
> is necessary smtp ?
> if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default configuration
> isn't good?
>
> I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient
> but would like know if I is possible
>
> to do directly with php mail function, or with smtp or
> if is mandatory to use mailchimp
>
>
> Isn't possible to use php mail function or have a smtp server with good
> configuration that can to do all the
>
> work instead of mailchimp or similar?
>

set up e.g, exim on your linux.

php mail() will then use that.
I have done this but it is not a trivial exercise.

Ids your linux system domestic or virtual host?



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#13964

On 21-6-2014 20:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Ids your linux system domestic or virtual host?

or a host that will be blocked soon because of the spam that coming from 
it.......

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#13969

On 6/21/2014 2:03 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 21/06/14 16:12, nawfer wrote:
>> if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible
>> to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam
>>
>> the dfault php mail function isn't good?
>> is necessary smtp ?
>> if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default
>> configuration
>> isn't good?
>>
>> I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient
>> but would like know if I is possible
>>
>> to do directly with php mail function, or with smtp or
>> if is mandatory to use mailchimp
>>
>>
>> Isn't possible to use php mail function or have a smtp server with good
>> configuration that can to do all the
>>
>> work instead of mailchimp or similar?
>>
> 
> set up e.g, exim on your linux.
> 
> php mail() will then use that.
> I have done this but it is not a trivial exercise.
> 
> Ids your linux system domestic or virtual host?
> 
> 
> 

Probably the only MTA harder to secure properly than EXIM is sendmail.

It is NOT something I would recommend for someone who has to ask such
questions.

P.S. No wonder TNP doesn't use his real name or email address - he
probably doesn't want spammers to find his Exim system is wide open.

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jstucklex@attglobal.net
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#13968

On 6/21/2014 11:12 AM, nawfer wrote:
> if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible 
> to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam
> 
> the dfault php mail function isn't good?
> is necessary smtp ?
> if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default configuration
> isn't good?
> 
> I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient
> but would like know if I is possible 
> 
> to do directly with php mail function, or with smtp or 
> if is mandatory to use mailchimp
> 
> 
> Isn't possible to use php mail function or have a smtp server with good
> configuration that can to do all the 
> 
> work instead of mailchimp or similar?
> 

It's never *mandatory* to use *anything*.

The php mail() function is OK, but has its limitations.  There are other
PHP APIs such as phpmailer, which is much more flexible.

You can set up your own smtp server, but that's not a PHP problem.  You
would need to check on what's available for your server.

As for being regarded as SPAM - again, not a PHP problem.  Check some of
the email-related groups to get hints on how to get your email through
without it being considered SPAM.

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Jerry Stuckle
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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#13977

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 15:29:04 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> As for being regarded as SPAM - again, not a PHP problem.  Check some of
> the email-related groups to get hints on how to get your email through
> without it being considered SPAM.

Amazingly, I find that not sending spam helps.

-- 
Denis McMahon, denismfmcmahon@gmail.com

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#13978

On 6/21/2014 7:24 PM, Denis McMahon wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 15:29:04 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> 
>> As for being regarded as SPAM - again, not a PHP problem.  Check some of
>> the email-related groups to get hints on how to get your email through
>> without it being considered SPAM.
> 
> Amazingly, I find that not sending spam helps.
> 

True, but he indicated he's sending a newsletter.  I would hope this is
a double opt-in newsletter.  Just trying to give him the benefit of the
doubt.

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