Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > comp.lang.php > #14378 > unrolled thread

Pocetnik u php-u

Back to article view | Back to comp.lang.php

Contents

  Pocetnik u php-u Crystal <Crystal@net.hr> - 2014-10-23 20:47 +0200
    Re: Pocetnik u php-u Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2014-10-23 15:20 -0400
    Re: Pocetnik u php-u "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-10-23 21:57 +0200
      Re: Pocetnik u php-u Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-10-23 23:09 +0200
        Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-23 20:12 -0400
          Re: Pocetnik u php-u Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2014-10-23 21:35 -0400
            Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-23 22:07 -0400
          Re: Pocetnik u php-u jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2014-10-24 02:00 +0000
            Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-23 22:09 -0400
              Re: Pocetnik u php-u jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2014-10-24 04:38 +0000
                Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-24 08:51 -0400
                  Re: Pocetnik u php-u jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2014-10-24 16:32 +0000
                    Re: Pocetnik u php-u "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-10-24 19:20 +0200
                      Re: Pocetnik u php-u jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2014-10-24 17:46 +0000
                Re: Pocetnik u php-u Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-10-25 06:15 +0200
          Re: Pocetnik u php-u Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-10-25 06:50 +0200
            Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-25 10:51 -0400
              Re: Pocetnik u php-u Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-10-25 22:24 +0200
                Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-25 16:51 -0400
        Re: Pocetnik u php-u "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-10-24 19:18 +0200
      Re: Pocetnik u php-u Crystal <Crystal@net.hr> - 2014-10-24 14:02 +0200
        Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-24 08:53 -0400
          Re: Pocetnik u php-u Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2014-10-24 09:27 -0400
          Re: Pocetnik u php-u Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-10-25 10:51 +0200
            Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-25 10:53 -0400
              Re: Pocetnik u php-u Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-10-27 14:41 +0100
                Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-27 13:17 -0400
    Re: Pocetnik u php-u Crystal <Crystal@mail.hr> - 2014-10-24 14:21 +0200
    Re: Pocetnik u php-u Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-10-25 01:34 +0200

Page 1 of 2  [1] 2  Next page →

#14378 — Pocetnik u php-u

Htio bi nesto nauciti programirati u php-u, no imam pocetnicki problem: 
stvoriti si radnu okolinu. ne znam što je bolje, instalirati razvojnu 
okolinu u win xp, win7 x64 ili se bazirati na linux.
Htio bi osposobiti apache, php i mysql ali da mi to radi preko eclipse 
IDE kao što je to za javu.
Možete li mi dati par dobrih linkova i savjeta kako to ispravno 
instalirati(php,apache i mysql) ako može na xp, ako ne na xp onda na 
win7 x64, ako ne na win 7 onda na ubuntu.
probao sam to instalirati na xp ali mi se iz nekog razloga ne podiže 
server(apache). imao sam raznovrsnih problema, nikako osposobiti php 
razvojnu okolinu...
Hvala.

[toc] | [next] | [standalone]

#14379

Crystal <Crystal@net.hr> writes:

> Htio bi nesto nauciti programirati u php-u, no imam pocetnicki
> problem: stvoriti si radnu okolinu. ne znam što je bolje, instalirati
> razvojnu okolinu u win xp, win7 x64 ili se bazirati na linux.
> Htio bi osposobiti apache, php i mysql ali da mi to radi preko eclipse
> IDE kao što je to za javu.
> Možete li mi dati par dobrih linkova i savjeta kako to ispravno
> instalirati(php,apache i mysql) ako može na xp, ako ne na xp onda na
> win7 x64, ako ne na win 7 onda na ubuntu.
> probao sam to instalirati na xp ali mi se iz nekog razloga ne podiže
> server(apache). imao sam raznovrsnih problema, nikako osposobiti php
> razvojnu okolinu...
> Hvala.

I would use GNU/Linux + LAMP myself, as it is much more common on
servers/real environments:

http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_lamp_for_newbies

-- 
Matthew Carter (m@ahungry.com)
http://ahungry.com

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14380

Crystal wrote:

> Htio bi nesto nauciti programirati u php-u, no imam pocetnicki problem:
> stvoriti si radnu okolinu. ne znam što je bolje, instalirati razvojnu
> okolinu u win xp, win7 x64 ili se bazirati na linux.
> Htio bi osposobiti apache, php i mysql ali da mi to radi preko eclipse
> IDE kao što je to za javu.
> Možete li mi dati par dobrih linkova i savjeta kako to ispravno
> instalirati(php,apache i mysql) ako može na xp, ako ne na xp onda na
> win7 x64, ako ne na win 7 onda na ubuntu.
> probao sam to instalirati na xp ali mi se iz nekog razloga ne podiže
> server(apache). imao sam raznovrsnih problema, nikako osposobiti php
> razvojnu okolinu...
> Hvala.

If you prefer Windows, you may consider to use a prebundled development
environment such as XAMPP: <https://www.apachefriends.org/index.html>.
Note, that PHP does not work on Windows XP since version 5.5.0.

BTW: this is an English speaking newsgroup. :)

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14381

Christoph M. Becker wrote:

> BTW: this is an English speaking newsgroup. :)

No, like other newsgroups in the Big 8, this is an _international_ 
newsgroup.  As a result, all natural languages are acceptable.  However, 
because the /lingua franca/ of computer science and technology so far is 
English, of all the postings in all the natural languages, those in English 
are, in general, the most likely to be understood, thus to get 
useful/helpful replies.

For discussions in one’s native language other than English, posting instead 
to the corresponding local newsgroup, if there is any, is recommended.  In 
this case (Croatian), however, there appears to be none; all the more reason 
to accept (but to not recommend) such postings here.
 
-- 
PointedEars
Zend Certified PHP Engineer
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14383

On 10/23/2014 5:09 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> 
>> BTW: this is an English speaking newsgroup. :)
> 
> No, like other newsgroups in the Big 8, this is an _international_ 
> newsgroup.  As a result, all natural languages are acceptable.  However, 
> because the /lingua franca/ of computer science and technology so far is 
> English, of all the postings in all the natural languages, those in English 
> are, in general, the most likely to be understood, thus to get 
> useful/helpful replies.
> 
> For discussions in one’s native language other than English, posting instead 
> to the corresponding local newsgroup, if there is any, is recommended.  In 
> this case (Croatian), however, there appears to be none; all the more reason 
> to accept (but to not recommend) such postings here.
>  
> 

Wrong again.  This is an English language newsgroup.  The fact it is one
of the Big 8 is completely immaterial.

But pedantic trolls don't understand that.

-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14384

Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes:

> On 10/23/2014 5:09 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>> 
>>> BTW: this is an English speaking newsgroup. :)
>> 
>> No, like other newsgroups in the Big 8, this is an _international_
>> newsgroup.  As a result, all natural languages are acceptable.
>> However, because the /lingua franca/ of computer science and
>> technology so far is English, of all the postings in all the natural
>> languages, those in English are, in general, the most likely to be
>> understood, thus to get useful/helpful replies.
>> 
>> For discussions in one’s native language other than English, posting
>> instead to the corresponding local newsgroup, if there is any, is
>> recommended.  In this case (Croatian), however, there appears to be
>> none; all the more reason to accept (but to not recommend) such
>> postings here.
>>  
>> 
>
> Wrong again.  This is an English language newsgroup.  The fact it is one
> of the Big 8 is completely immaterial.
>
> But pedantic trolls don't understand that.

Sorry for a noob question - what's the big 8?  (new to usenet myself)
-- 
Matthew Carter (m@ahungry.com)
http://ahungry.com

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14386

On 10/23/2014 9:35 PM, Matthew Carter wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes:
> 
>> On 10/23/2014 5:09 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>>>
>>>> BTW: this is an English speaking newsgroup. :)
>>>
>>> No, like other newsgroups in the Big 8, this is an _international_
>>> newsgroup.  As a result, all natural languages are acceptable.
>>> However, because the /lingua franca/ of computer science and
>>> technology so far is English, of all the postings in all the natural
>>> languages, those in English are, in general, the most likely to be
>>> understood, thus to get useful/helpful replies.
>>>
>>> For discussions in one’s native language other than English, posting
>>> instead to the corresponding local newsgroup, if there is any, is
>>> recommended.  In this case (Croatian), however, there appears to be
>>> none; all the more reason to accept (but to not recommend) such
>>> postings here.
>>>  
>>>
>>
>> Wrong again.  This is an English language newsgroup.  The fact it is one
>> of the Big 8 is completely immaterial.
>>
>> But pedantic trolls don't understand that.
> 
> Sorry for a noob question - what's the big 8?  (new to usenet myself)
> 

A reasonable reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_8_%28Usenet%29


-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14385

Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:

<snip>

> Wrong again.  This is an English language newsgroup.  The fact it is one
> of the Big 8 is completely immaterial.

There is nothing about language in the RFD nor was there anything about
language in the discussions leading to creation, so where is your authority
that it is English language only?


-- 
Jim Pennino

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14387

On 10/23/2014 10:00 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> Wrong again.  This is an English language newsgroup.  The fact it is one
>> of the Big 8 is completely immaterial.
> 
> There is nothing about language in the RFD nor was there anything about
> language in the discussions leading to creation, so where is your authority
> that it is English language only?
> 
> 

Ah, another well-known troll speaks up.

How many other languages do you see in this newsgroup?  And if this
isn't an English Language newsgroup, why were the answers in English,
instead of Croation?

But then anonymous trolls like you just try to make waves.


-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14388

Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
> On 10/23/2014 10:00 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>>> Wrong again.  This is an English language newsgroup.  The fact it is one
>>> of the Big 8 is completely immaterial.
>> 
>> There is nothing about language in the RFD nor was there anything about
>> language in the discussions leading to creation, so where is your authority
>> that it is English language only?
>> 
>> 
> 
> Ah, another well-known troll speaks up.

Ah, Jerry Stuckle gets a stick up his ass yet again because the word
of the almighty Jerry Stuckle has been challenged.

> How many other languages do you see in this newsgroup?  And if this
> isn't an English Language newsgroup, why were the answers in English,
> instead of Croation?

The same reason the same thing happens in many, many other groups.

I see you are avoiding the question of where, other than the mouth
of Jerry Stuckle, is there ANYTHING to support the idea that this 
group is English only.

> But then anonymous trolls like you just try to make waves.

But then Jerry Stuckle absolutely can not stand having anything he
says ever being challenged.

Cite some authority that this is an English only group and I will admit
I was wrong, but you won't do that.

You will go off on a tirade about anonymous trolls rather than address
the issue, which in itself is interesting as my name is at the bottom
of all my posts.


-- 
Jim Pennino

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14392

On 10/24/2014 12:38 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 10/23/2014 10:00 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Wrong again.  This is an English language newsgroup.  The fact it is one
>>>> of the Big 8 is completely immaterial.
>>>
>>> There is nothing about language in the RFD nor was there anything about
>>> language in the discussions leading to creation, so where is your authority
>>> that it is English language only?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Ah, another well-known troll speaks up.
> 
> Ah, Jerry Stuckle gets a stick up his ass yet again because the word
> of the almighty Jerry Stuckle has been challenged.
>

Nope, I always respond this way to trolls - and you are a well-known one
in several newsgroups.

>> How many other languages do you see in this newsgroup?  And if this
>> isn't an English Language newsgroup, why were the answers in English,
>> instead of Croation?
> 
> The same reason the same thing happens in many, many other groups.
> 

Yes - because this is an English language newsgroup.

> I see you are avoiding the question of where, other than the mouth
> of Jerry Stuckle, is there ANYTHING to support the idea that this 
> group is English only.
> 

20 years of history, to start.

>> But then anonymous trolls like you just try to make waves.
> 
> But then Jerry Stuckle absolutely can not stand having anything he
> says ever being challenged.
> 

No, I just call trolls what they are.  And you are a well-known troll in
several newsgroups.

> Cite some authority that this is an English only group and I will admit
> I was wrong, but you won't do that.
> 

20 years of history.

> You will go off on a tirade about anonymous trolls rather than address
> the issue, which in itself is interesting as my name is at the bottom
> of all my posts.
> 
> 

I just call trolls what they are.  And you are a well-known troll in
several newsgroups.

And what have YOU contributed positively to this (or any other)
newsgroup?  Not much.  But you troll regularly.

-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14396

Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
> On 10/24/2014 12:38 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/23/2014 10:00 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Wrong again.  This is an English language newsgroup.  The fact it is one
>>>>> of the Big 8 is completely immaterial.
>>>>
>>>> There is nothing about language in the RFD nor was there anything about
>>>> language in the discussions leading to creation, so where is your authority
>>>> that it is English language only?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, another well-known troll speaks up.
>> 
>> Ah, Jerry Stuckle gets a stick up his ass yet again because the word
>> of the almighty Jerry Stuckle has been challenged.
>>
> 
> Nope, I always respond this way to trolls - and you are a well-known one
> in several newsgroups.
> 
>>> How many other languages do you see in this newsgroup?  And if this
>>> isn't an English Language newsgroup, why were the answers in English,
>>> instead of Croation?
>> 
>> The same reason the same thing happens in many, many other groups.
>> 
> 
> Yes - because this is an English language newsgroup.
> 
>> I see you are avoiding the question of where, other than the mouth
>> of Jerry Stuckle, is there ANYTHING to support the idea that this 
>> group is English only.
>> 
> 
> 20 years of history, to start.
> 
>>> But then anonymous trolls like you just try to make waves.
>> 
>> But then Jerry Stuckle absolutely can not stand having anything he
>> says ever being challenged.
>> 
> 
> No, I just call trolls what they are.  And you are a well-known troll in
> several newsgroups.
> 
>> Cite some authority that this is an English only group and I will admit
>> I was wrong, but you won't do that.
>> 
> 
> 20 years of history.
> 
>> You will go off on a tirade about anonymous trolls rather than address
>> the issue, which in itself is interesting as my name is at the bottom
>> of all my posts.
>> 
>> 
> 
> I just call trolls what they are.  And you are a well-known troll in
> several newsgroups.
> 
> And what have YOU contributed positively to this (or any other)
> newsgroup?  Not much.  But you troll regularly.

As predicted Stuckle has nothing to back up his claim that this is an
English language group other than "20 years of history", which is 
hilarious as the group is only about 10 years old, and rant about trolls.

If anyone cares at this point, here is the 2nd CFV that created this
group and it contains no references to language:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/news.announce.newgroups/comp.lang.php|sort:relevance/news.announce.newgroups/Fpe6Kvt0atk/9TyK7Py8UF8J

In the world of Jerry Stuckle, a troll is anyone who would dare to question
any pronouncement of the great and mighty Stuckle.

 

-- 
Jim Pennino

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14398

jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

> As predicted Stuckle has nothing to back up his claim that this is an
> English language group other than "20 years of history", which is 
> hilarious as the group is only about 10 years old, and rant about trolls.

Speaking of trolls: don't you agree that it's best to ignore them. :)

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14399

Christoph M. Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>> As predicted Stuckle has nothing to back up his claim that this is an
>> English language group other than "20 years of history", which is 
>> hilarious as the group is only about 10 years old, and rant about trolls.
> 
> Speaking of trolls: don't you agree that it's best to ignore them. :)

Stuckle isn't a troll, he's an egomaniac with delusions of infallibility.

While certainly knowledgable in some areas, his delusion of omniscience
cause him to become enraged should anyone dare to disagree with anything
he says, including things that are mearly a matter of personal taste.

The rules of Stuckle:

1) Stuckle is always right.

2) Anyone that disagrees is a troll.

 

-- 
Jim Pennino

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14401

jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

> You will go off on a tirade about anonymous trolls rather than address
> the issue, which in itself is interesting as my name is at the bottom
> of all my posts.

I agree with many things you said.  Still, you do want to fix the latter 
part: Your real name belongs in the From header field as well as an e-mail 
address.  Not posting using a troll server like aioe.org also is a Really 
Good Idea; try news.solani.org instead.

-- 
PointedEars
Zend Certified PHP Engineer
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14402

Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> On 10/23/2014 5:09 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>>> BTW: this is an English speaking newsgroup. :)
>> 
>> No, like other newsgroups in the Big 8, this is an _international_
>> newsgroup.  As a result, all natural languages are acceptable.  However,
>> because the /lingua franca/ of computer science and technology so far is
>> English, of all the postings in all the natural languages, those in
>> English are, in general, the most likely to be understood, thus to get
>> useful/helpful replies.
>> 
>> For discussions in one’s native language other than English, posting
>> instead to the corresponding local newsgroup, if there is any, is
>> recommended. In this case (Croatian), however, there appears to be none;
>> all the more reason to accept (but to not recommend) such postings here.
> 
> Wrong again.  This is an English language newsgroup.

You have to prove that.

> The fact it is one of the Big 8 is completely immaterial.

Big 8 newsgroups are international newsgroups, i.e. they are distributed to 
servers planetwide.  There is more than one natural language on this planet, 
and Usenet is not reserved to speakers of English.  That precludes the 
possibility that those newsgroups, including this one, could be limited to 
English, could be “English language newsgroup[s]”.  It just happens that 
English is the language that is most commonly understood in the field that 
covers the topic of the newsgroup.

By contrast, there are local newsgroups, whose subscribers are, and whose 
distribution may be, limited to a certain language, country or area.  As a 
result, postings in another language than spoken primarily in that country 
or area are at least frowned upon.  For example, if you posted in German in 
uk.ALL (British) you would either be ignored, royally[tm] flamed, or told 
politely to post to de.ALL (German-speaking, not limited to Germany).  Not 
so in the Big 8.  I have seen (non-spam) postings in Mandarin Chinese, 
French, Spanish, Polish, and Portuguese there, among others, and sometimes 
follow-ups in kind.  Nobody objected to that, and, as you should understand 
by now, for good reason.

> [snip abuse]

There is no offense where none is taken.  You should try meditation to 
better control your passions.

-- 
PointedEars
Zend Certified PHP Engineer
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14404

On 10/25/2014 12:50 AM, the well-known TROLL Thomas 'PointedHead' Lahn
wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> 
>> On 10/23/2014 5:09 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>>>> BTW: this is an English speaking newsgroup. :)
>>>
>>> No, like other newsgroups in the Big 8, this is an _international_
>>> newsgroup.  As a result, all natural languages are acceptable.  However,
>>> because the /lingua franca/ of computer science and technology so far is
>>> English, of all the postings in all the natural languages, those in
>>> English are, in general, the most likely to be understood, thus to get
>>> useful/helpful replies.
>>>
>>> For discussions in one’s native language other than English, posting
>>> instead to the corresponding local newsgroup, if there is any, is
>>> recommended. In this case (Croatian), however, there appears to be none;
>>> all the more reason to accept (but to not recommend) such postings here.
>>
>> Wrong again.  This is an English language newsgroup.
> 
> You have to prove that.
>

I have to prove NOTHING to trolls.

>> The fact it is one of the Big 8 is completely immaterial.
> 
> Big 8 newsgroups are international newsgroups, i.e. they are distributed to 
> servers planetwide.  There is more than one natural language on this planet, 
> and Usenet is not reserved to speakers of English.  That precludes the 
> possibility that those newsgroups, including this one, could be limited to 
> English, could be “English language newsgroup[s]”.  It just happens that 
> English is the language that is most commonly understood in the field that 
> covers the topic of the newsgroup.
> 

Which has nothing to to with the language.

> By contrast, there are local newsgroups, whose subscribers are, and whose 
> distribution may be, limited to a certain language, country or area.  As a 
> result, postings in another language than spoken primarily in that country 
> or area are at least frowned upon.  For example, if you posted in German in 
> uk.ALL (British) you would either be ignored, royally[tm] flamed, or told 
> politely to post to de.ALL (German-speaking, not limited to Germany).  Not 
> so in the Big 8.  I have seen (non-spam) postings in Mandarin Chinese, 
> French, Spanish, Polish, and Portuguese there, among others, and sometimes 
> follow-ups in kind.  Nobody objected to that, and, as you should understand 
> by now, for good reason.
> 
>> [snip abuse]
> 
> There is no offense where none is taken.  You should try meditation to 
> better control your passions.
> 

So where is the en. hierarchy, troll?

-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14406

Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> [abuse] Thomas 'PointedHead' Lahn wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 10/23/2014 5:09 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>>> Wrong again.  This is an English language newsgroup.
>> You have to prove that.
> 
> I have to prove NOTHING [abuse]

You have if you want to be taken seriously.  That you call the people names 
who rightfully demand that proof from you, does not change the fact that 
unproven/unprovable statements do not carry much weight in a discussion.  
Claiming something does not make it so.  Claiming it twice unproven shows 
lack of arguments (put politely); not strength of character as you appear to 
be thinking.
 
>>> The fact it is one of the Big 8 is completely immaterial.
>> 
>> Big 8 newsgroups are international newsgroups, i.e. they are distributed
>> to servers planetwide.  There is more than one natural language on this
>> planet, and Usenet is not reserved to speakers of English.  That
>> precludes the possibility that those newsgroups, including this one,
>> could be limited to English, could be “English language newsgroup[s]”. 
>> It just happens that English is the language that is most commonly
>> understood in the field that covers the topic of the newsgroup.
> 
> Which has nothing to to with the language.

To which language are you referring?
 
>> By contrast, there are local newsgroups, whose subscribers are, and whose
>> distribution may be, limited to a certain language, country or area.  As
>> a result, postings in another language than spoken primarily in that
>> country or area are at least frowned upon.  For example, if you posted in
>> German in uk.ALL (British) you would either be ignored, royally[tm]
>> flamed, or told politely to post to de.ALL (German-speaking, not limited
>> to Germany).  Not so in the Big 8.  I have seen (non-spam) postings in
>> Mandarin Chinese, French, Spanish, Polish, and Portuguese there, among
>> others, and sometimes follow-ups in kind.  Nobody objected to that, and,
>> as you should understand by now, for good reason.
>> 
>>> [abuse]
>> 
>> There is no offense where none is taken.  You should try meditation to
>> better control your passions.
> 
> So where is the en. hierarchy,

AFAIK there is none; but there does not have to be one.  Usenet began in the 
United States of America, therefore many users who are native English 
speakers continue to use the original newsgroups, later reorganized into the 
Big 8, and alt.ALL.  That does not mean that those newsgroups are English or 
English-speaking per se.

There are, however, us.ALL and uk.ALL, for example, for regional topics, as 
I already pointed out.

But if you still disagree, what do you think the word “global” in the 
comp.lang.php charter is referring to?

> [abuse]

Or maybe you should try anger management instead.

-- 
PointedEars
Zend Certified PHP Engineer
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14407

On 10/25/2014 4:24 PM, the pedantic troll Thomas 'Pointed Head' Lahn wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> 
>> [abuse] Thomas 'PointedHead' Lahn wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 10/23/2014 5:09 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>>>> Wrong again.  This is an English language newsgroup.
>>> You have to prove that.
>>
>> I have to prove NOTHING [abuse]
> 
> You have if you want to be taken seriously.  That you call the people names 
> who rightfully demand that proof from you, does not change the fact that 
> unproven/unprovable statements do not carry much weight in a discussion.  
> Claiming something does not make it so.  Claiming it twice unproven shows 
> lack of arguments (put politely); not strength of character as you appear to 
> be thinking.
>  

I don't care if YOU take me seriously or not - because NO ONE HERE takes
YOU seriously.  They all know you as the local pedantic troll.

>>>> The fact it is one of the Big 8 is completely immaterial.
>>>
>>> Big 8 newsgroups are international newsgroups, i.e. they are distributed
>>> to servers planetwide.  There is more than one natural language on this
>>> planet, and Usenet is not reserved to speakers of English.  That
>>> precludes the possibility that those newsgroups, including this one,
>>> could be limited to English, could be “English language newsgroup[s]”. 
>>> It just happens that English is the language that is most commonly
>>> understood in the field that covers the topic of the newsgroup.
>>
>> Which has nothing to to with the language.
> 
> To which language are you referring?
>

Too stoopid to understand the subject, I see.

>>> By contrast, there are local newsgroups, whose subscribers are, and whose
>>> distribution may be, limited to a certain language, country or area.  As
>>> a result, postings in another language than spoken primarily in that
>>> country or area are at least frowned upon.  For example, if you posted in
>>> German in uk.ALL (British) you would either be ignored, royally[tm]
>>> flamed, or told politely to post to de.ALL (German-speaking, not limited
>>> to Germany).  Not so in the Big 8.  I have seen (non-spam) postings in
>>> Mandarin Chinese, French, Spanish, Polish, and Portuguese there, among
>>> others, and sometimes follow-ups in kind.  Nobody objected to that, and,
>>> as you should understand by now, for good reason.
>>>
>>>> [abuse]
>>>
>>> There is no offense where none is taken.  You should try meditation to
>>> better control your passions.
>>
>> So where is the en. hierarchy,
> 
> AFAIK there is none; but there does not have to be one.  Usenet began in the 
> United States of America, therefore many users who are native English 
> speakers continue to use the original newsgroups, later reorganized into the 
> Big 8, and alt.ALL.  That does not mean that those newsgroups are English or 
> English-speaking per se.
> 

That's right - there is none, because the Big 8 newsgroups are English
by default.

> There are, however, us.ALL and uk.ALL, for example, for regional topics, as 
> I already pointed out.
> 

So what?  UK is not English.

> But if you still disagree, what do you think the word “global” in the 
> comp.lang.php charter is referring to?
> 
>> [abuse]
> 
> Or maybe you should try anger management instead.
> 

Or maybe you should try a psychiatrist to see why you insist on being
such a pedantic troll.

And don't you worry - you are well known as one in multiple newsgroups.


-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14397

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> 
>> BTW: this is an English speaking newsgroup. :)
> 
> No, like other newsgroups in the Big 8, this is an _international_ 
> newsgroup.  As a result, all natural languages are acceptable.  

I assumed the Big 8 newsgroups are English newsgroups, because there
doesn't seem to be an EN hierarchy.

> However, 
> because the /lingua franca/ of computer science and technology so far is 
> English, of all the postings in all the natural languages, those in English 
> are, in general, the most likely to be understood, thus to get 
> useful/helpful replies.

ACK

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

Page 1 of 2  [1] 2  Next page →

Back to top | Article view | comp.lang.php

csiph-web