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| Started by | Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> |
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| First post | 2013-07-13 16:51 +0200 |
| Last post | 2013-07-15 17:08 +0200 |
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Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-13 16:51 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-13 11:59 -0400
Re: Komodo Edit Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-07-13 19:51 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-14 10:12 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 11:47 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-14 12:06 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 12:42 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-07-14 18:58 +0100
Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 21:09 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-07-14 20:18 +0100
Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 21:58 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:03 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-15 12:37 -0400
Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-16 03:04 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-07-16 09:11 +0100
Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-16 07:50 -0400
Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-14 09:31 -0400
Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:00 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2013-07-14 08:20 -0500
Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:06 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-07-15 11:04 -0700
Re: Komodo Edit Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-07-15 15:04 -0700
Re: Komodo Edit richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-07-13 14:55 -0400
Re: Komodo Edit Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-07-13 19:42 +0000
Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-14 09:49 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-14 09:33 -0400
Re: Komodo Edit richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-07-14 12:51 -0400
Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-14 13:24 -0400
Re: Komodo Edit richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-07-14 12:45 -0400
Re: Komodo Edit Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-07-14 11:12 -0700
Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 21:05 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-07-14 13:28 -0700
Re: Komodo Edit Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-07-14 17:25 -0700
Re: Komodo Edit Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-07-14 20:15 -0700
Re: Komodo Edit Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-07-14 23:08 -0700
Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:50 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-07-15 18:04 +0100
Re: Komodo Edit Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-07-15 08:24 +0100
Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:19 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-07-15 17:08 +0100
Re: Komodo Edit Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-07-15 10:42 -0700
Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-15 15:08 -0400
Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-16 03:47 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-16 03:09 +0200
Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:08 +0200
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| From | Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> |
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| Date | 2013-07-15 11:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <PQWEt.59499$_V5.41083@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #10077 |
On 7/13/13 8:59 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 7/13/2013 10:51 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote: >> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for >> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where loops >> and conditional where not indented. >> >> Mitch >> http://www.FontMenu.com >> --- >> Experience is the best teacher. >> > > Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE. > Personally, I prefer Eclipse. It's completely free and has more > features available. But then I use it for Java, also. > I personally prefer PhpStorm. I was a Java developer before and used IntelliJ, the Java IDE from the same people. Yes, it costs money. Its more than worth it, if you learn to utilize the advanced features. I tried Eclipse long ago, and maybe it has come a long way, but I find that it is a few steps behind whatever Jetbrains produces. It does have a larger community behind it however, and that may be worth something. Though Jetbrains being a commercial company, they are more likely to address any bugs, or they risk losing your business. One of my colleagues uses vi and zsh, with a highly custom configuration. I like vi, but for any real size project I prefer an IDE with good navigation features, code completion, auto-importing, and refactoring support. It all comes down to personal preference and budget.
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2013-07-15 15:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-C3D218.15041015072013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #10126 |
In article <PQWEt.59499$_V5.41083@fx18.iad>, Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> wrote: > On 7/13/13 8:59 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > On 7/13/2013 10:51 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote: > >> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for > >> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where loops > >> and conditional where not indented. > >> > >> Mitch > >> http://www.FontMenu.com > >> --- > >> Experience is the best teacher. > >> > > > > Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE. > > Personally, I prefer Eclipse. It's completely free and has more > > features available. But then I use it for Java, also. > > > I personally prefer PhpStorm. I was a Java developer before and used > IntelliJ, the Java IDE from the same people. Yes, it costs money. Its > more than worth it, if you learn to utilize the advanced features. > > I tried Eclipse long ago, and maybe it has come a long way, but I find > that it is a few steps behind whatever Jetbrains produces. It does have > a larger community behind it however, and that may be worth something. > Though Jetbrains being a commercial company, they are more likely to > address any bugs, or they risk losing your business. > > One of my colleagues uses vi and zsh, with a highly custom > configuration. I like vi, but for any real size project I prefer an IDE > with good navigation features, code completion, auto-importing, and > refactoring support. > > It all comes down to personal preference and budget. A friend started using IntelliJ at a prior job that ended with the company being bought out. He ended up buying his own personal copy of IntelliJ for his laptop mostly because places where he's be hired or contract only would use Eclipse. The last company hired him to 'fix their build process' which he did. Unfortunately the chief tech officer made most of the bad decisions that lead to the broken build system and my friend wasn't very politic in hiding his displeasure at the lame-brained stupid assed design decisions he had to fix. When they came to him to turn the app into an iPhone app, he told them to buy him a Mac. When he told them that iPhone apps can only be developed on MacOS and signed by Xcode, they went away grumbling. They fired him at the end of the day. Recruiters still call him for 'hot positions' in this company. He tells them the horror story and advises them to focus their efforts on making money elsewhere. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | richard <noreply@example.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-13 14:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <13n44577heo4i.gqdcq2rfva8k.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #10076 |
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote: > I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for > long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where > loops and conditional where not indented. > > Mitch > http://www.FontMenu.com > --- > Experience is the best teacher. I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
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| From | Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-13 19:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA1FCA0B074623dougmilmaccom@78.46.70.116> |
| In reply to | #10079 |
richard <noreply@example.com> wrote in news:13n44577heo4i.gqdcq2rfva8k.dlg@ 40tude.net: > On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote: > >> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for >> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where >> loops and conditional where not indented. >> > I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator. > LOL! When have *you* ever run *anything* through a validator??
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| From | Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-14 09:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <51e2580e$0$3751$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #10079 |
On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said: > On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote: > >> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for >> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where >> loops and conditional where not indented. >> >> Mitch >> http://www.FontMenu.com >> --- >> Experience is the best teacher. > > I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator. Which validator do you use ? What does it do ? Thank you. Mitch http://www.FontMenu.com --- Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet. J.J. Rousseau
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2013-07-14 09:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <kru8vp$8t8$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #10082 |
On 7/14/2013 3:49 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote: > On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said: > >> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote: >> >>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for >>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where >>> loops and conditional where not indented. >>> >>> Mitch >>> http://www.FontMenu.com >>> --- >>> Experience is the best teacher. >> >> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator. > > Which validator do you use ? What does it do ? > > Thank you. > > Mitch > http://www.FontMenu.com > --- > Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet. > J.J. Rousseau > Mitch, he's talking about the W3 HTML validator (he doesn't know the difference between HTML and PHP). -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | richard <noreply@example.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-14 12:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <i8ajpj3br4js$.18pbzmmy0ft55$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #10096 |
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:33:17 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 7/14/2013 3:49 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote: >> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said: >> >>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote: >>> >>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for >>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where >>>> loops and conditional where not indented. >>>> >>>> Mitch >>>> http://www.FontMenu.com >>>> --- >>>> Experience is the best teacher. >>> >>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator. >> >> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Mitch >> http://www.FontMenu.com >> --- >> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet. >> J.J. Rousseau >> > > Mitch, he's talking about the W3 HTML validator (he doesn't know the > difference between HTML and PHP). That is a damn cheap shot asswipe. I'm not going to explain the differences. That's up to the user to find out and learn about. On my music site, I use a combination of javascript and PHp to create related pages. 10 lines of code beats writing four hundred lines and having to store hundreds of seperate files.
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2013-07-14 13:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <krumhs$eu6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #10098 |
On 7/14/2013 12:51 PM, richard wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:33:17 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> On 7/14/2013 3:49 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote: >>> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said: >>> >>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote: >>>> >>>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for >>>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where >>>>> loops and conditional where not indented. >>>>> >>>>> Mitch >>>>> http://www.FontMenu.com >>>>> --- >>>>> Experience is the best teacher. >>>> >>>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator. >>> >>> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ? >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Mitch >>> http://www.FontMenu.com >>> --- >>> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet. >>> J.J. Rousseau >>> >> >> Mitch, he's talking about the W3 HTML validator (he doesn't know the >> difference between HTML and PHP). > > That is a damn cheap shot asswipe. > I'm not going to explain the differences. > That's up to the user to find out and learn about. > That's not a cheap shot. Just the truth. Or you would understand the difference between well-formatted PHP code (which Komodo and Eclipse both do) and valid HTML. And you can't even explain the difference. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | richard <noreply@example.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-14 12:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <13aq2kxef0wv0.a3h9js9lky3h.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #10082 |
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:49:34 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote: > On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said: > >> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote: >> >>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for >>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where >>> loops and conditional where not indented. >>> >>> Mitch >>> http://www.FontMenu.com >>> --- >>> Experience is the best teacher. >> >> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator. > > Which validator do you use ? What does it do ? > > Thank you. > > Mitch > http://www.FontMenu.com > --- > Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet. > J.J. Rousseau http://validator.w3.org/ This validator checks the html output to make sure the code complys with the guidelines. It is a great tool for finding things that are wrong. If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how to fix it.
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| From | Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-14 11:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <krupaq$v1b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #10097 |
On 7/14/2013 9:45 AM, richard wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:49:34 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote: > >> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said: >> >>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote: >>> >>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for >>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where >>>> loops and conditional where not indented. >>>> >>>> Mitch >>>> http://www.FontMenu.com >>>> --- >>>> Experience is the best teacher. >>> >>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator. >> >> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Mitch >> http://www.FontMenu.com >> --- >> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet. >> J.J. Rousseau > > http://validator.w3.org/ > > This validator checks the html output to make sure the code complys with > the guidelines. > It is a great tool for finding things that are wrong. > If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to > find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how to fix > it. > Richard, what you recommend is OK if all you need to do is validate HTML, but as Mitch will find out if he has not already, a great deal of PHP written may have nothing to do with HTML output in which case the HTML validation would be useless. Mitch is looking for, from what I gather, a tool to help write PHP. I have personally found a good tool provides, but not limited to the following. * Easy formatting of indented and readable code. * Tool-tips to speed up reuse of variables and function arguments. * Color coding or different elements of the code such and function, variables and definitions. * Track back to function definitions. * Source level error checking. Example: Find the simple syntax errors as you go. To name a few. Though none of this is required to write PHP, anything to help spend less time writing, testing and debugging the better. Notepad just does not provide a practical approach when compared to what else is available. I have heard some hold it as a badge of honor that they use a simple text editor to write code, but I doubt they still use a horse and wagon to get groceries. Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the others in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out as NOT a good tool. Scotty
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2013-07-14 21:05 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <3480537.HgeGUDS0th@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #10101 |
Scott Johnson wrote:
> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the others
> in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out
> as NOT a good tool.
I have used that application before, last time in 2007. IIRC I found it
rather good at first.
But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and
Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for PHP
development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and Python,
and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could access
both Access and MySQL databases easily). Later I found out that Eclipse
with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific
port forwarding for remote debugging.
And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the
office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there,
too, by contrast to PHPEd. Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a
Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and
installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from
the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by comparison.
PointedEars
--
var bugRiddenCrashPronePieceOfJunk = (
navigator.userAgent.indexOf('MSIE 5') != -1
&& navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Mac') != -1
) // Plone, register_function.js:16
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| From | Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-14 13:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <krv19m$aen$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #10102 |
On 7/14/2013 12:05 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Scott Johnson wrote: > >> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the others >> in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out >> as NOT a good tool. > > I have used that application before, last time in 2007. IIRC I found it > rather good at first. > > But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and > Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for PHP > development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and Python, > and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could access > both Access and MySQL databases easily). Later I found out that Eclipse > with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific > port forwarding for remote debugging. > > And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the > office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there, > too, by contrast to PHPEd. Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a > Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and > installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from > the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by comparison. > > > PointedEars > Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac without a special, for lack of better words, driver. I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger. Might be something worth looking at. Scotty
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2013-07-14 17:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-2DE1F5.17254114072013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #10106 |
In article <krv19m$aen$1@dont-email.me>, Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> wrote: > On 7/14/2013 12:05 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > >> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the others > >> in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out > >> as NOT a good tool. > > > > I have used that application before, last time in 2007. IIRC I found it > > rather good at first. > > > > But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and > > Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for PHP > > development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and Python, > > and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could access > > both Access and MySQL databases easily). Later I found out that Eclipse > > with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific > > port forwarding for remote debugging. > > > > And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the > > office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there, > > too, by contrast to PHPEd. Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a > > Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and > > installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from > > the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by comparison. > > > > > > PointedEars > > > > Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac > without a special, for lack of better words, driver. > > I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger. Might be > something worth looking at. > > Scotty What sort of "driver" are you referring to? Just turning on mod_php in Apache? Or installing MySQL from the mysql web site? The process of doing that hasn't changed much since 10.4 and is documented in various sites on the web. I think you should find someone who knows MacOS who can help you directly. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-14 20:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <krvp5h$h8j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #10112 |
On 7/14/2013 5:25 PM, Michael Vilain wrote: > In article <krv19m$aen$1@dont-email.me>, > Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> wrote: > >> On 7/14/2013 12:05 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>> Scott Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the others >>>> in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out >>>> as NOT a good tool. >>> >>> I have used that application before, last time in 2007. IIRC I found it >>> rather good at first. >>> >>> But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and >>> Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for PHP >>> development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and Python, >>> and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could access >>> both Access and MySQL databases easily). Later I found out that Eclipse >>> with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific >>> port forwarding for remote debugging. >>> >>> And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the >>> office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there, >>> too, by contrast to PHPEd. Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a >>> Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and >>> installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from >>> the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by comparison. >>> >>> >>> PointedEars >>> >> >> Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac >> without a special, for lack of better words, driver. >> >> I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger. Might be >> something worth looking at. >> >> Scotty > > What sort of "driver" are you referring to? Just turning on mod_php in > Apache? Or installing MySQL from the mysql web site? The process of > doing that hasn't changed much since 10.4 and is documented in various > sites on the web. > > I think you should find someone who knows MacOS who can help you > directly. > It is not the PHP in apache that I was having issues with MAC, it is the phped IDE program from nusphere. It was probably confusing when I mentioned 'driver'. I guess it is called WINE that is needed. But thanks anyhow. Scotty
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2013-07-14 23:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-5AA6F3.23080014072013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #10113 |
In article <krvp5h$h8j$1@dont-email.me>, Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> wrote: > On 7/14/2013 5:25 PM, Michael Vilain wrote: > > In article <krv19m$aen$1@dont-email.me>, > > Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> wrote: > > > >> On 7/14/2013 12:05 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > >>> Scott Johnson wrote: > >>> > >>>> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the others > >>>> in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out > >>>> as NOT a good tool. > >>> > >>> I have used that application before, last time in 2007. IIRC I found it > >>> rather good at first. > >>> > >>> But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and > >>> Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for > >>> PHP > >>> development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and > >>> Python, > >>> and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could > >>> access > >>> both Access and MySQL databases easily). Later I found out that Eclipse > >>> with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific > >>> port forwarding for remote debugging. > >>> > >>> And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the > >>> office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there, > >>> too, by contrast to PHPEd. Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a > >>> Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and > >>> installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from > >>> the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by > >>> comparison. > >>> > >>> > >>> PointedEars > >>> > >> > >> Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac > >> without a special, for lack of better words, driver. > >> > >> I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger. Might be > >> something worth looking at. > >> > >> Scotty > > > > What sort of "driver" are you referring to? Just turning on mod_php in > > Apache? Or installing MySQL from the mysql web site? The process of > > doing that hasn't changed much since 10.4 and is documented in various > > sites on the web. > > > > I think you should find someone who knows MacOS who can help you > > directly. > > > > It is not the PHP in apache that I was having issues with MAC, it is the > phped IDE program from nusphere. > > It was probably confusing when I mentioned 'driver'. I guess it is > called WINE that is needed. > > But thanks anyhow. > > Scotty I don't use an IDE, per se. I have Zend, but I use BBEdit since I've had it forever. It a good general code/text editor that knows about all sorts of languages, does syntax color coding and in some case will do a function lookup in the Reference for you. Haven't tried it on anything other than C, CSS, PHP, PERL, SQL, or HTML. But it supports way more than that. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-15 17:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <51e41a51$0$3740$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #10114 |
On 2013-07-15 06:08:01 +0000, Michael Vilain said: > I don't use an IDE, per se. I have Zend, but I use BBEdit since I've had > it forever. It a good general code/text editor that knows about all > sorts of languages, does syntax color coding and in some case will do a > function lookup in the Reference for you. Haven't tried it on anything > other than C, CSS, PHP, PERL, SQL, or HTML. But it supports way more > than that. I did have an older copy of BBEdit but had forgotten it provided colored code and stuff. Downloaded the last version, it is indeed very nice. Nicer even the moto of the publisher "it does'nt suck" ! Finally some humour in the dull world of editors. Love the "Zap gremlins" option in the dit menu. Could not locate the equivalent of Komodo's "select to matching brace", great to debug php when closing braces are all over the place. Thanks for the reminder, though. Mitch http://www.FontMenu.com --- Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. Buddha
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2013-07-15 18:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <timstreater-A2D367.18041115072013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #10121 |
In article <51e41a51$0$3740$426a74cc@news.free.fr>, Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> wrote: > On 2013-07-15 06:08:01 +0000, Michael Vilain said: > > > I don't use an IDE, per se. I have Zend, but I use BBEdit since I've had > > it forever. It a good general code/text editor that knows about all > > sorts of languages, does syntax color coding and in some case will do a > > function lookup in the Reference for you. Haven't tried it on anything > > other than C, CSS, PHP, PERL, SQL, or HTML. But it supports way more > > than that. > > I did have an older copy of BBEdit but had forgotten it provided > colored code and stuff. Downloaded the last version, it is indeed very > nice. Nicer even the moto of the publisher "it does'nt suck" ! Finally > some humour in the dull world of editors. > > Love the "Zap gremlins" option in the dit menu. > > Could not locate the equivalent of Komodo's "select to matching brace", > great to debug php when closing braces are all over the place. That's easy. Double-click just inside an opening or closing brace selects to the corresponding closing or opening brace. Or, IIRC, you do cmd-B, it spreads a selection in both directions from the current insertion point to the enclosing braces. You might want to look at TextWrangler also from BareBones, which has most of BBedit but is free. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2013-07-15 08:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <timstreater-DE05A9.08244715072013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #10113 |
In article <krvp5h$h8j$1@dont-email.me>, Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> wrote: > On 7/14/2013 5:25 PM, Michael Vilain wrote: > > In article <krv19m$aen$1@dont-email.me>, > > Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> wrote: > >> Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac > >> without a special, for lack of better words, driver. > >> > >> I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger. Might be > >> something worth looking at. > > What sort of "driver" are you referring to? Just turning on mod_php in > > Apache? Or installing MySQL from the mysql web site? The process of > > doing that hasn't changed much since 10.4 and is documented in various > > sites on the web. > > > > I think you should find someone who knows MacOS who can help you > > directly. > It is not the PHP in apache that I was having issues with Mac, it is the > phped IDE program from nusphere. > > It was probably confusing when I mentioned 'driver'. I guess it is > called WINE that is needed. It appears to be a windows program. I downloaded the trial version. At no point that I could see did it offer more than one version or indicate the system requirements. So I threw it away. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| From | Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> |
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| Date | 2013-07-15 17:19 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <51e412ff$0$2212$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #10101 |
On 2013-07-14 18:12:04 +0000, Scott Johnson said:
> On 7/14/2013 9:45 AM, richard wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:49:34 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>>>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mitch
>>>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>>>
>>>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>>>
>>> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Mitch
>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>> ---
>>> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
>>> J.J. Rousseau
>>
>> http://validator.w3.org/
>>
>> This validator checks the html output to make sure the code complys with
>> the guidelines.
>> It is a great tool for finding things that are wrong.
>> If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to
>> find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how to fix
>> it.
>>
>
> Richard, what you recommend is OK if all you need to do is validate
> HTML, but as Mitch will find out if he has not already, a great deal of
> PHP written may have nothing to do with HTML output in which case the
> HTML validation would be useless.
>
> Mitch is looking for, from what I gather, a tool to help write PHP.
> I have personally found a good tool provides, but not limited to the following.
>
> * Easy formatting of indented and readable code.
> * Tool-tips to speed up reuse of variables and function arguments.
> * Color coding or different elements of the code such and function,
> variables and definitions.
> * Track back to function definitions.
> * Source level error checking. Example: Find the simple syntax errors
> as you go.
>
> To name a few.
>
> Though none of this is required to write PHP, anything to help spend
> less time writing, testing and debugging the better.
>
> Notepad just does not provide a practical approach when compared to
> what else is available. I have heard some hold it as a badge of honor
> that they use a simple text editor to write code, but I doubt they
> still use a horse and wagon to get groceries.
>
> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the
> others in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing
> stood out as NOT a good tool.
>
> Scotty
You are right, Scotty, I am looking for help in php. I have been using
html for so long, it is not my main problem.
I forgot to mention that I am using Mac (ouch, I see a hurd of people
chasing me with forks). Unfortunately, I will not be able to play with
PHPEd, though it looks impressive.
Let me get into what I would additionally need :
- Auto indent (I developed under RealBasic and it does that very well)
So far, Komodo checks php snytax on the fly, enhances code with colors,
, and it provides check of open and closed braces {}, which is very
nice. Which is quite allright and gets a lot of work done.
I was looking for knowledgeable and positive remarks and pointers. All
have been warmly appreciated. Thank you !
Mitch
http://www.FontMenu.com
---
Luck is the residue of design.
Branch Rickey
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-07-15 17:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ks16ot$b07$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #10120 |
On 15/07/13 16:19, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> On 2013-07-14 18:12:04 +0000, Scott Johnson said:
>
>> On 7/14/2013 9:45 AM, richard wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:49:34 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>>>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>>>>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mitch
>>>>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>>>>
>>>> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Mitch
>>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>> ---
>>>> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
>>>> J.J. Rousseau
>>>
>>> http://validator.w3.org/
>>>
>>> This validator checks the html output to make sure the code complys
>>> with
>>> the guidelines.
>>> It is a great tool for finding things that are wrong.
>>> If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to
>>> find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how
>>> to fix
>>> it.
>>>
>>
>> Richard, what you recommend is OK if all you need to do is validate
>> HTML, but as Mitch will find out if he has not already, a great deal
>> of PHP written may have nothing to do with HTML output in which case
>> the HTML validation would be useless.
>>
>> Mitch is looking for, from what I gather, a tool to help write PHP.
>> I have personally found a good tool provides, but not limited to the
>> following.
>>
>> * Easy formatting of indented and readable code.
>> * Tool-tips to speed up reuse of variables and function arguments.
>> * Color coding or different elements of the code such and function,
>> variables and definitions.
>> * Track back to function definitions.
>> * Source level error checking. Example: Find the simple syntax
>> errors as you go.
>>
>> To name a few.
>>
>> Though none of this is required to write PHP, anything to help spend
>> less time writing, testing and debugging the better.
>>
>> Notepad just does not provide a practical approach when compared to
>> what else is available. I have heard some hold it as a badge of
>> honor that they use a simple text editor to write code, but I doubt
>> they still use a horse and wagon to get groceries.
>>
>> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the
>> others in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing
>> stood out as NOT a good tool.
>>
>> Scotty
>
> You are right, Scotty, I am looking for help in php. I have been using
> html for so long, it is not my main problem.
>
> I forgot to mention that I am using Mac (ouch, I see a hurd of people
> chasing me with forks). Unfortunately, I will not be able to play with
> PHPEd, though it looks impressive.
>
> Let me get into what I would additionally need :
> - Auto indent (I developed under RealBasic and it does that very well)
>
> So far, Komodo checks php snytax on the fly, enhances code with
> colors, , and it provides check of open and closed braces {}, which is
> very nice. Which is quite allright and gets a lot of work done.
>
well plenty of editors do all; that. I use Geany for example.
It's actually almost an IDE.
tends to be linux only, but windows versions are available.
> I was looking for knowledgeable and positive remarks and pointers. All
> have been warmly appreciated. Thank you !
>
> Mitch
> http://www.FontMenu.com
> ---
> Luck is the residue of design.
> Branch Rickey
>
>
--
Ineptocracy
(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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