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  UML Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-05-24 15:49 -0700
    Re: UML Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-24 19:17 -0400
      Re: UML Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-05-25 01:40 +0200
        Re: UML Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-05-24 17:05 -0700
          Re: UML "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-31 19:47 -0500
        Re: UML Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-24 20:21 -0400
      Re: UML Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-05-24 17:04 -0700
    Re: UML Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-25 09:33 +0200
      Re: UML Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-05-25 03:42 -0700
        Re: UML Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-25 13:00 +0200
          Re: UML Ross McKay <au.com.webaware.at.rosko@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-27 11:27 +1000
    Re: UML Goran <goran@nospam.com> - 2013-05-27 16:07 +0200
      Re: UML Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-05-28 14:42 -0700
        Re: UML "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-05-30 12:26 +0200
    Re: UML "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2013-05-28 18:07 -0430

#9622 — UML

Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?

If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?

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#9627

On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>

Yup

> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?

Lots of them, from free to expensive.  I'd suggest you try an OO-related 
newsgroup.  You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.

-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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#9629

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>
> 
> Yup
> 
>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>> paper?
> 
> Lots of them, from free to expensive.  I'd suggest you try an OO-related
> newsgroup.  You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.

If Scott is asking not only for a tool to *draw* UML class diagramms,
but for a tool which might be able to generate (an) actual PHP code
(skeleton) from, or even reverse engineer existing PHP to UML class
diagramms, the question *might* better be asked here than in a generally
OO-related newsgroup.

I have only superficial experience with such tools, but I am aware that
there has been quite mature support for *some* languages since many
years (at least Java, C++ and Eiffel--the latter regarding BON instead
of UML).

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#9632

On 5/24/2013 4:40 PM, Christoph Becker wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>>
>>
>> Yup
>>
>>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>>> paper?
>>
>> Lots of them, from free to expensive.  I'd suggest you try an OO-related
>> newsgroup.  You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.
>
> If Scott is asking not only for a tool to *draw* UML class diagramms,
> but for a tool which might be able to generate (an) actual PHP code
> (skeleton) from, or even reverse engineer existing PHP to UML class
> diagramms, the question *might* better be asked here than in a generally
> OO-related newsgroup.
>
> I have only superficial experience with such tools, but I am aware that
> there has been quite mature support for *some* languages since many
> years (at least Java, C++ and Eiffel--the latter regarding BON instead
> of UML).
>

Thanks CB.

Actually I just need something to whiteboard on while I am building.  I 
get lost in the weeds sometimes.

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#9720

"Scott Johnson"  wrote in message news:knov0f$eum$2@dont-email.me...

>Actually I just need something to whiteboard on while I am building.  I get 
>lost in the weeds sometimes.

I spent a lot of money trying out different tools and technologies to 
accomplish that - including UML.
They're great for a team environment - if the team embraces them.
But for individual work, I had to just come up with my own processes.

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#9634

On 5/24/2013 7:40 PM, Christoph Becker wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>>
>>
>> Yup
>>
>>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>>> paper?
>>
>> Lots of them, from free to expensive.  I'd suggest you try an OO-related
>> newsgroup.  You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.
>
> If Scott is asking not only for a tool to *draw* UML class diagramms,
> but for a tool which might be able to generate (an) actual PHP code
> (skeleton) from, or even reverse engineer existing PHP to UML class
> diagramms, the question *might* better be asked here than in a generally
> OO-related newsgroup.
>

Yes, but that's not what he asked for.

> I have only superficial experience with such tools, but I am aware that
> there has been quite mature support for *some* languages since many
> years (at least Java, C++ and Eiffel--the latter regarding BON instead
> of UML).
>

I've been working with them for well over 15 years (probably closer to 
20) with various languages, including SmallTalk, C++ and Java.  But each 
tool has it's advantages and disadvantages - which is why I recommended 
he look in a newsgroup where OO experts hang out.

comp.lang.php is NOT such a newsgroup.  Most people here barely know how 
to spell OO.

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Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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#9631

On 5/24/2013 4:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>
>
> Yup
>
>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>> paper?
>
> Lots of them, from free to expensive.  I'd suggest you try an OO-related
> newsgroup.  You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.
>

Thanks, will pursue.

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#9641

Scott Johnson wrote:

> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?

Yes.
 
> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
> paper?

Yes.


PointedEars
-- 
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#9643

On 5/25/2013 12:33 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Scott Johnson wrote:
>
>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>
> Yes.
>
>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>> paper?
>
> Yes.
>
>
> PointedEars
>

I overestimated the ability of someone to take a simple question parse 
it and bring in a useful answer.  My apologies.

Scotty

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#9644

Scott Johnson wrote:

> On 5/25/2013 12:33 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>>> paper?
>>
>> Yes.
>> […]

<http://learn.to/quote>

> I overestimated the ability of someone to take a simple question parse
> it and bring in a useful answer.  My apologies.

<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#classic>
<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing>


PointedEars
-- 
Use any version of Microsoft Frontpage to create your site.
(This won't prevent people from viewing your source, but no one
will want to steal it.)
  -- from <http://www.vortex-webdesign.com/help/hidesource.htm> (404-comp.)

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#9658

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

>[...]
><http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#classic>
><http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing>

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#idp5285344
-- 
Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia
"Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition" - Cardinal Ximénez

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#9664

On 25.5.2013 0:49, Scott Johnson wrote:
> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
> 
> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?

Try Enterprise Architect, it's really powerfull although not free.

If you prefer light solution, NClass is interesting too.

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#9685

On 5/27/2013 7:07 AM, Goran wrote:
> On 25.5.2013 0:49, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>
>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?
>
> Try Enterprise Architect, it's really powerfull although not free.
>
> If you prefer light solution, NClass is interesting too.
>

Thanks Goran appreciate the info.

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#9711

Am 28.05.2013 23:42, schrieb Scott Johnson:
> On 5/27/2013 7:07 AM, Goran wrote:
>> On 25.5.2013 0:49, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>>
>>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?
>>
>> Try Enterprise Architect, it's really powerfull although not free.
>>
>> If you prefer light solution, NClass is interesting too.
>>
> 
> Thanks Goran appreciate the info.

I used ArgoUML http://argouml.tigris.org/

/Str.

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#9688

"Scott Johnson" <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> escribió en el mensaje 
news:knoqij$s9g$1@dont-email.me...
> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>
> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and 
> paper?

Years ago I used a crippled free version of Rational Rose and it was quite 
nice, but it has not been available for years.

Now I scribble my designs with Star UML. It has its quirks, but it should be 
enough to produce inteligible small diagrams.

Also on the "free" price range, I tried Argo UML; it may be pefect for large 
projects (so they say) but it sucks at scribbling.

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