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  PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-11-17 13:33 +0100
    Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2012-11-17 15:49 +0100
      Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2012-11-17 16:10 +0100
      Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-11-17 16:28 +0100
        Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2012-11-17 16:40 +0100
          Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2012-11-17 17:30 +0100
            Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2012-11-17 17:48 +0100
          Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-11-17 20:04 +0100
            Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-11-17 14:44 -0500
              Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-11-18 18:08 +0100
                Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2012-11-18 17:22 -0600
            Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-11-17 21:31 +0000
              Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-11-18 18:10 +0100
            Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-11-18 05:14 +0100
              Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-11-18 08:40 -0500
                Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-11-18 19:02 +0100
                  Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-11-18 15:27 -0500
        Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2012-11-17 17:24 +0100
          Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-11-17 20:04 +0100
    Re: PHP 5.5 and Windows XP Markus Grob <snoopy@ilnet.ch> - 2012-11-17 17:27 +0100

#7600 — PHP 5.5 and Windows XP

PHP 5.5 will no longer support Windows XP.
Is there a way to still get it running on Windows XP?

Greetings,
Thomas

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#7602

On 17/11/12 13:33, Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:
> PHP 5.5 will no longer support Windows XP.

First of all, I don't care much for ms-windows support, so I'm not the 
ideal person to answer the question.


> Is there a way to still get it running on Windows XP?

I guess they have decided to go for VS2012 MSVCRT, which do not have XP 
version, but there is a rumour that there will be a ms-win-XP version 
post-RTM patch, if this true then you can get PHP 5.5 to run on ms-win-XP.

You have of course the option to upgrade the OS, there are quite many 
suggested at the distrowatch.com, you could install something like 
cygwin or similar and build php for that environment (I think this will 
break all IIS dependencies you may have in your set up) or you could 
install a VM (using VirtualBox or similar) which runs another operating 
system (legal options can be downloaded with help of links at 
distrowatch.com, or illegal versions of later ms-win can be found with 
help of piratebay.se).

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#7603

On 17-11-2012 15:49, J.O. Aho wrote:
> distrowatch.com, or illegal versions of later ms-win can be found with
> help of piratebay.se).

no, i cannot, my provider is blocking piratebay

http://www.xs4all.nl/geblokkeerd/
(sorry, its in Dutch...)

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#7604

J.O. Aho schrieb:

> I guess they have decided to go for VS2012 MSVCRT, which do not have XP 
> version, but there is a rumour that there will be a ms-win-XP version 
> post-RTM patch, if this true then you can get PHP 5.5 to run on ms-win-XP.

So there's still hope for me ;-)
Do you have a source for that rumour?

Thanks & greetings,
Thomas

-- 
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(Coluche)

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#7605

On 17-11-2012 16:28, Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:
> J.O. Aho schrieb:
>
>> I guess they have decided to go for VS2012 MSVCRT, which do not have
>> XP version, but there is a rumour that there will be a ms-win-XP
>> version post-RTM patch, if this true then you can get PHP 5.5 to run
>> on ms-win-XP.
>
> So there's still hope for me ;-)
> Do you have a source for that rumour?
>
> Thanks & greetings,
> Thomas
>

no, there's no hope,
officially they (php) stop supporting XP.....

It should be a warning to all users (=sysadmins) to stop using the old 
version, and try to get a newer version asap.

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#7608

On 17/11/12 16:40, Luuk wrote:
> On 17-11-2012 16:28, Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:
>> J.O. Aho schrieb:
>>
>>> I guess they have decided to go for VS2012 MSVCRT, which do not have
>>> XP version, but there is a rumour that there will be a ms-win-XP
>>> version post-RTM patch, if this true then you can get PHP 5.5 to run
>>> on ms-win-XP.
>>
>> So there's still hope for me ;-)
>> Do you have a source for that rumour?
>
> no, there's no hope,
> officially they (php) stop supporting XP.....
>
> It should be a warning to all users (=sysadmins) to stop using the old
> version, and try to get a newer version asap.

If you are a sysadmin and use ms-win-XP to run services ain't really 
sysadmins and those will not upgrade unless someone really would make 
this real:

http://www.twoguys.org/~gregh/ms/msmktg.jpg


-- 

  //Aho

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#7609

On 17-11-2012 17:30, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 17/11/12 16:40, Luuk wrote:
>> On 17-11-2012 16:28, Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:
>>> J.O. Aho schrieb:
>>>
>>>> I guess they have decided to go for VS2012 MSVCRT, which do not have
>>>> XP version, but there is a rumour that there will be a ms-win-XP
>>>> version post-RTM patch, if this true then you can get PHP 5.5 to run
>>>> on ms-win-XP.
>>>
>>> So there's still hope for me ;-)
>>> Do you have a source for that rumour?
>>
>> no, there's no hope,
>> officially they (php) stop supporting XP.....
>>
>> It should be a warning to all users (=sysadmins) to stop using the old
>> version, and try to get a newer version asap.
>
> If you are a sysadmin and use ms-win-XP to run services ain't really
> sysadmins and those will not upgrade unless someone really would make
> this real:
>
> http://www.twoguys.org/~gregh/ms/msmktg.jpg
>
>

you have the 'old' picture....

a 'newer' (but also 'old' one) is here:
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Windowsvistamarketing.jpg

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#7610

Luuk schrieb:
> officially they (php) stop supporting XP.....
> It should be a warning to all users (=sysadmins) to stop using the old 
> version, and try to get a newer version asap.

My development computer has been running Windows XP happily for about 6 
years now and although at some point in the future there will certainly 
be an upgrade or replacement I see no sense in switching to another OS 
just because otherwise I cannot test/develop using PHP 5.5. Especially 
since it really shouldn't be such a big deal for the PHP team to 
continue supporting WinXP (correct me if I'm wrong).

Greetings,
Thomas

-- 
Ce n'est pas parce qu'ils sont nombreux à avoir tort qu'ils ont raison!
(Coluche)

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#7612

On 11/17/2012 2:04 PM, Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:
> Luuk schrieb:
>> officially they (php) stop supporting XP.....
>> It should be a warning to all users (=sysadmins) to stop using the old
>> version, and try to get a newer version asap.
>
> My development computer has been running Windows XP happily for about 6
> years now and although at some point in the future there will certainly
> be an upgrade or replacement I see no sense in switching to another OS
> just because otherwise I cannot test/develop using PHP 5.5. Especially
> since it really shouldn't be such a big deal for the PHP team to
> continue supporting WinXP (correct me if I'm wrong).
>
> Greetings,
> Thomas
>

Although I upgraded to Windows 7 over two years ago, I have to agree 
with you.  Windows XP SP3 support doesn't end until April 8, 2014.  As 
long as it is supported, I would expect developers to support it, also.

However, it *could* be a big deal for the PHP team to support Windows 
XP.  It all depends on the features of VS2012 they need.  Some may not 
be available in earlier versions.

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#7624

Jerry Stuckle schrieb:

> Windows XP SP3 support doesn't end until April 8, 2014.  As 
> long as it is supported, I would expect developers to support it, also.

So I will just wait and see. Either they'll support it or I will have 
upgraded my system by then or :-(

> However, it *could* be a big deal for the PHP team to support Windows 
> XP.  It all depends on the features of VS2012 they need.  Some may not 
> be available in earlier versions.

Well, if it's a big deal then of course it is understandable that they 
drop support for older versions of Windows.

Thanks & greetings,
Thomas

-- 
Ce n'est pas parce qu'ils sont nombreux à avoir tort qu'ils ont raison!
(Coluche)

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#7628

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:08:44 +0100, Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:

> Jerry Stuckle schrieb:
>
>> Windows XP SP3 support doesn't end until April 8, 2014. As long as it
>> is supported, I would expect developers to support it, also.
>
> So I will just wait and see. Either they'll support it or I will have
> upgraded my system by then or :-(

Oh for... Just spend the E$250 and get a beige box with a Win 7 OEM
install on it. I'm sure it'll run four times as fast as the P4 does and
come with twice the memory. If it's critical to your development to
have PHP 5.5, it's a tiny price to pay and you're well past the point
that you should be using something coming up on three major release old
anyway.

-- 
66. My security keypad will actually be a fingerprint scanner. Anyone 
    who watches someone press a sequence of buttons or dusts the pad 
    for fingerprints then subsequently tries to enter by repeating that
    sequence will trigger the alarm system.  --Evil Overlord List

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#7614

On 17/11/12 19:04, Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:
> Luuk schrieb:
>> officially they (php) stop supporting XP.....
>> It should be a warning to all users (=sysadmins) to stop using the old
>> version, and try to get a newer version asap.
>
> My development computer has been running Windows XP happily for about 6
> years now and although at some point in the future there will certainly
> be an upgrade or replacement I see no sense in switching to another OS
> just because otherwise I cannot test/develop using PHP 5.5. Especially
> since it really shouldn't be such a big deal for the PHP team to
> continue supporting WinXP (correct me if I'm wrong).
>
You are wrong
Stand corrected :-)

> Greetings,
> Thomas
>


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(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to 
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the 
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are 
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a 
diminishing number of producers.

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#7625

The Natural Philosopher schrieb:
[Supporting WinXP shouldn't be a big deal]
> You are wrong
> Stand corrected :-)

If you say so ;-)

Greetings,
Thomas

-- 
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#7620

Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:

> Luuk schrieb:
>> officially they (php) stop supporting XP.....
>> It should be a warning to all users (=sysadmins) to stop using the old
>> version, and try to get a newer version asap.
> 
> My development computer has been running Windows XP happily for about 6
> years now and although at some point in the future there will certainly be
> an upgrade or replacement 

Which should be when you read this posting.  The reason why there would be 
no Windows XP support for newer PHP versions would be because Windows XP is 
not supported by Microsoft anymore on machines that can reasonably run PHP.  

Windows XP has reached its end-of-life on 2009-04-14, the latest Service 
Pack (3) was released 2008-04-21.  So there are no patches and no Service 
Packs for those systems anymore.

<http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=Windows+XP&Filter=FilterNO>

> I see no sense in switching to another OS just because otherwise I cannot
> test/develop using PHP 5.5.

Then do not use PHP 5.5.  You can't have the cake and eat it too.  You can 
have either a four-year-old legacy system full of security leaks or an
up-to-date PHP version.  PHP 5.3 will probably be supported until your 
Windows XP machine will be finally comprised by a cracker or malware, or 
becomes unusable out of sheer hardware failure or inadequacy.

And what good would do to test applications using PHP 5.5 on a Windows XP 
system?  Who in their right mind is still running a Web server on Windows XP 
these days?  I really do not see your point.

> Especially since it really shouldn't be such a big deal for the PHP team
> to continue supporting WinXP (correct me if I'm wrong).

[x] done


PointedEars
-- 
> If you get a bunch of authors […] that state the same "best practices"
> in any programming language, then you can bet who is wrong or right...
Not with javascript. Nonsense propagates like wildfire in this field.
  -- Richard Cornford, comp.lang.javascript, 2011-11-14

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#7623

On 11/17/2012 11:14 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:
>
>> Luuk schrieb:
>>> officially they (php) stop supporting XP.....
>>> It should be a warning to all users (=sysadmins) to stop using the old
>>> version, and try to get a newer version asap.
>>
>> My development computer has been running Windows XP happily for about 6
>> years now and although at some point in the future there will certainly be
>> an upgrade or replacement
>
> Which should be when you read this posting.  The reason why there would be
> no Windows XP support for newer PHP versions would be because Windows XP is
> not supported by Microsoft anymore on machines that can reasonably run PHP.
>
> Windows XP has reached its end-of-life on 2009-04-14, the latest Service
> Pack (3) was released 2008-04-21.  So there are no patches and no Service
> Packs for those systems anymore.
>
> <http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=Windows+XP&Filter=FilterNO>
>

Once again you can't read. 
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx, Pointed Head.


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jstucklex@attglobal.net
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#7626

Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> On 11/17/2012 11:14 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:
>>> Luuk schrieb:
>>>> officially they (php) stop supporting XP.....
>>>> It should be a warning to all users (=sysadmins) to stop using the old
>>>> version, and try to get a newer version asap.
>>>
>>> My development computer has been running Windows XP happily for about 6
>>> years now and although at some point in the future there will certainly
>>> be an upgrade or replacement
>>
>> Which should be when you read this posting.  The reason why there would
>> be no Windows XP support for newer PHP versions would be because Windows
>> XP is not supported by Microsoft anymore on machines that can reasonably
>> run PHP.
>>
>> Windows XP has reached its end-of-life on 2009-04-14, the latest Service
>> Pack (3) was released 2008-04-21.  So there are no patches and no Service
>> Packs for those systems anymore.
>>
>> 
<http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=Windows+XP&Filter=FilterNO>
>>
> 
> Once again you can't read.
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx, […]

Unsurprisingly, again it is you who cannot read.  What you can see at the 
resource referred by you, by contrast to what was referred by me before, is 
the *Joe User information* of *Extended* Support for Windows XP, which also 
considers Windows XP on systems that cannot reasonably run PHP, such as 
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005.  Extended Support for Windows XP 
Embedded even ends 2016-01-12.

That does not mean it would be wise to wait until then with the upgrade (or 
the switch to another OS in general) as a PHP developer or admin of a server 
that is running PHP.


PointedEars
-- 
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    navigator.userAgent.indexOf('MSIE 5') != -1
    && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Mac') != -1
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#7627

On 11/18/2012 1:02 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> On 11/17/2012 11:14 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:
>>>> Luuk schrieb:
>>>>> officially they (php) stop supporting XP.....
>>>>> It should be a warning to all users (=sysadmins) to stop using the old
>>>>> version, and try to get a newer version asap.
>>>>
>>>> My development computer has been running Windows XP happily for about 6
>>>> years now and although at some point in the future there will certainly
>>>> be an upgrade or replacement
>>>
>>> Which should be when you read this posting.  The reason why there would
>>> be no Windows XP support for newer PHP versions would be because Windows
>>> XP is not supported by Microsoft anymore on machines that can reasonably
>>> run PHP.
>>>
>>> Windows XP has reached its end-of-life on 2009-04-14, the latest Service
>>> Pack (3) was released 2008-04-21.  So there are no patches and no Service
>>> Packs for those systems anymore.
>>>
>>>
> <http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=Windows+XP&Filter=FilterNO>
>>>
>>
>> Once again you can't read.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx, […]
>
> Unsurprisingly, again it is you who cannot read.  What you can see at the
> resource referred by you, by contrast to what was referred by me before, is
> the *Joe User information* of *Extended* Support for Windows XP, which also
> considers Windows XP on systems that cannot reasonably run PHP, such as
> Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005.  Extended Support for Windows XP
> Embedded even ends 2016-01-12.
>

Wrong answer, as usual.  And BTW, even Windows XP Embedded will run PHP. 
  But I know you don't understand that, either.

> That does not mean it would be wise to wait until then with the upgrade (or
> the switch to another OS in general) as a PHP developer or admin of a server
> that is running PHP.
>
>
> PointedEars
>

No reason to spend hundreds of dollars and several days rebuilding a 
system because a Pointed Head says you should upgrade prematurely.

And yes, I do say several days.  It took me over 3 days to rebuild a 
development system when I upgraded to Windows 7.  I had over 200Gb of 
additional software on it.

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jstucklex@attglobal.net
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#7606

On 17/11/12 16:28, Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:
> J.O. Aho schrieb:
>
>> I guess they have decided to go for VS2012 MSVCRT, which do not have
>> XP version, but there is a rumour that there will be a ms-win-XP
>> version post-RTM patch, if this true then you can get PHP 5.5 to run
>> on ms-win-XP.
>
> So there's still hope for me ;-)
> Do you have a source for that rumour?


http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4234117

-- 

  //Aho

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#7611

J.O. Aho schrieb:
>> Do you have a source for that rumour?
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4234117

Thanks :-)

Greetings,
Thomas

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#7607

Thomas Mlynarczyk schrieb:
> PHP 5.5 will no longer support Windows XP.
> Is there a way to still get it running on Windows XP?

I think, it could be that there will be a version which is running on 
XP, but without security patches you don't wonna use XP any more. If you 
only wonna have it for testing at home, it will be better to test it 
with a linux on a separate drive or boot it from a live dvd or like me, 
use it in a vm (you can get it free in the net).

Greetings from Switzerland, Markus

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