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  anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-02 13:27 -0700
    Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> - 2013-02-02 14:57 -0600
      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-03 03:45 -0700
        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> - 2013-02-03 06:00 -0600
    Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2013-02-02 16:27 -0500
      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-03 03:49 -0700
        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-03 11:00 +0000
        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2013-02-03 10:17 -0500
          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-03 11:40 -0700
            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2013-02-03 14:00 -0500
              Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-02-03 13:56 -0800
              Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Martin <no@spam.invalid> - 2013-02-04 01:53 +0100
                Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-04 02:40 +0000
                Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-02-04 09:14 +0000
              Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-04 02:32 -0700
                Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2013-02-04 11:06 -0500
                  Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-04 09:15 -0700
                    Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-04 16:24 +0000
                      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2013-02-04 11:35 -0500
                        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-05 02:22 -0700
                          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-05 12:16 +0000
                            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-05 11:49 -0700
                              Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-05 21:22 +0000
                      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-02-04 16:38 +0000
                        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in   PHP? "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-02-04 17:41 +0100
                          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in   PHP? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-04 16:58 +0000
                      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-05 02:21 -0700
                        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-05 12:15 +0000
                          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-05 11:52 -0700
                            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-05 21:23 +0000
                  Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2013-02-05 06:00 +0000
                Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-02-05 13:49 +0100
                  Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-02-05 08:22 -0500
                  Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@wizardstower> - 2013-02-05 08:50 -0600
        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-02-04 08:40 +0100
          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-04 02:49 -0700
    Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-02-02 15:43 -0600
      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-03 03:57 -0700
    Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? "Keith D. Lee" <keithdlee2012@gmail.com> - 2013-02-02 22:20 +0000
      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-03 04:13 -0700
        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2013-02-04 12:23 +0000
          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-04 08:57 -0700
            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-02-05 14:04 +0100
        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-02-05 13:59 +0100
    Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-02-03 10:58 +0100
      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-03 04:20 -0700
        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2013-02-03 12:44 +0100
          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-03 11:50 +0000
            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2013-02-03 13:47 +0100
              Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-03 13:23 +0000
              Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2013-02-04 11:32 +0000
            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-03 11:43 -0700
      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-02-03 13:08 +0000
        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in   PHP? "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-02-03 14:49 +0100
          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in  PHP? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-02-03 08:16 -0600
            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in  PHP? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-02-03 15:28 +0000
              Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in  PHP? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-02-03 09:39 -0600
            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in  PHP? "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-02-03 17:50 +0100
              Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in  PHP? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-02-03 11:24 -0600
                Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in  PHP? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-02-03 19:25 +0000
                  Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in  PHP? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-02-03 20:25 +0000
                    Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in  PHP? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-02-03 21:47 +0000
                      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in  PHP? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-02-03 16:32 -0600
                      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in  PHP? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-03 22:59 +0000
                        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in  PHP? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-02-04 00:21 +0000
                        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in  PHP? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2013-02-04 11:46 +0000
                      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in  PHP? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-02-03 23:13 +0000
                      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in    PHP? "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-02-04 17:21 +0100
                        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in    PHP? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-04 16:28 +0000
                  Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in  PHP? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-02-03 14:26 -0600
          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in   PHP? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2013-02-04 11:37 +0000
    Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-02-03 13:17 +0000
    Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-02-04 08:38 +0100
      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-02-04 09:04 +0000
        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-02-04 10:29 +0100
          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-02-04 09:34 +0000
            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-04 03:06 -0700
          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-04 03:01 -0700
          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-04 09:08 -0700
            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-02-04 17:34 +0100
            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-02-04 16:44 +0000
              Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-05 02:36 -0700
                Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-02-05 01:49 -0800
                Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-02-05 15:03 +0000
                  Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-05 12:07 -0700
                    Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-02-05 20:22 +0000
                      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2013-02-05 22:27 +0000
                        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-02-06 00:06 +0000
                        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-06 04:32 -0700
                          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-02-06 11:50 +0000
                      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-06 04:22 -0700
                      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-02-06 15:37 +0000
                    Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2013-02-05 22:13 +0000
                      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-02-05 23:38 +0000
            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-05 02:26 -0700
              Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-02-05 10:31 +0000
                Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-02-05 13:41 +0100
                  Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-02-05 12:56 +0000
                    Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-02-05 14:08 +0100
                      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-05 12:24 -0700
                        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-02-05 20:14 +0000
                        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-02-06 06:27 +0100
                        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> - 2013-02-06 19:48 -0600
                          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@wizardstower> - 2013-02-06 22:44 -0600
                            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? GooseMan <TheGoose@gonnagiveittothegander.org> - 2013-02-06 21:38 -0800
                            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-02-07 15:13 +0100
                            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> - 2013-02-10 08:09 -0600
                  Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-05 12:10 -0700
              Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2013-02-05 21:51 +0000
                Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-05 22:32 +0000
              Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Meeh <meeh@i2pmail.org> - 2013-02-05 17:51 +0100
      Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-04 02:55 -0700
        Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-02-05 13:42 +0100
          Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-02-05 12:28 -0700
            Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-02-09 20:58 +0100

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#8292

On Tuesday, February 5th, 2013, at 12:24:38h -0700, Cranky Puss complained:

> I've yet to find an operating system that I can really trust over the 
> long haul

I keep mentioning OpenBSD to you, but have you looked at it?

       <http://www.openbsd.ORG/>

If one cannot trust FreeBSD, what can one trust?

See in particular

       <http://www.openbsd.ORG/goals.html>

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#8306

On Tuesday 05 February 2013 20:24, crankypuss conveyed the following to 
alt.os.linux...

> [...]
> 
> Sometimes I think "what the world needs" (or at least, what I'd like
> to have a copy of) is a Linux distro called LCDlinux (for Lowest
> Common Denominator) so an LCD could actually be *established* and then
> improved at the system level.  (And no, its name ain't "slackware" as
> far as I can tell.)  I don't think I've seen a really clean set of
> system interfaces since CP/M or maybe OS/360, "modern" interfaces seem
> designed to make it easy for system developers, or perhaps tg maximize
> the amount of hoop-jumping on the part of application developers.

Considering that you've already accepted that this hypothetical 
operating system would be based upon GNU/Linux, have you already looked 
into Source Mage?  It lets you build your own distribution from sources 
- Gentoo also allows for that, but the process is more convoluted there.

    http://www.sourcemage.org/

-- 
= Aragorn =
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

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#8316

On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 12:24:38 -0700, crankypuss wrote:

> On 02/05/2013 06:08 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Tim Streater, 2013-02-05 13:56:
>>
>>> In article <5110FDFB.4030601@arnowelzel.de>,
>>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>
>> [...]
>>>>> My desktop app uses JavaScript to present to the user, and PHP for
>>>>> backend stuff such as writing to SQLite databases, communicating
>>>>> over the net, writing log files, and other functions that the app
>>>>> needs. I use apache/ajax to communicate between the two. As I said
>>>>> before - heavy? Sure, but who cares.
>>>>
>>>> I would care if i would need all that stuff just to be able to run an
>>>> application. It's not only about processing power or memory
>>>> consumption - but also about security and stability. The more
>>>> components you put together the more likely something can go wrong.
>>>
>>> Look, here's a bar magnet and a magnifying glass. Now you can edit the
>>> bits directly on the disk, no need for any software components at all.
>>> Happy now?
>>
>> You don't get it or you never wrote an application which you made
>> available to the public.
>>
>>
> I used to make some stuff available to others, and I've used more cuss
> words on other people's components than anything else... for that matter
> I've yet to find an operating system that I can really trust over the
> long haul, application code keeps having to implement workaround after
> workaround to counteract changes in successive releases.  I remember
> some gawdawful conditional assembler code to make some stuff that should
> have been pretty simple just keep working as the system interfaces
> shifted around under it like jello.
> 
> Sometimes I think "what the world needs" (or at least, what I'd like to
> have a copy of) is a Linux distro called LCDlinux (for Lowest Common
> Denominator) so an LCD could actually be *established* and then improved
> at the system level.

There already *is* such a thing, and it's not called LCD, it's called LSB, 
and has been mentioned here multiple times in the past: 

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base>

mike keeps talking about this concept, and mechanic keeps talking about 
this concept, and T i m keeps talking about this concept, and I've talked 
about this concept, and all the vocal Linux users make fun of it and call 
it "the Win-droid way".

The problem is, it seems as though there's not enough interest in 
achieving that goal, as some have literally said they couldn't care less 
about standards and they'll just go ahead with whatever they want to 
implement regardless of whether or not it breaks compatibilities.

That's what FOSS is all about.....you don't like the direction some app 
or [whatever] is going, so you fork it off and start your own. It's an 
ego thing, "it's my way or the highway", and if you don't like it, "I'm 
taking my ball and going home", er, "copying the ball and going home."

Only one app may survive, maybe neither, or both, but then you divide the 
userbase also, so each app has less users.

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#8317

On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:48:34 -0600
DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:

> The problem is, it seems as though there's not enough interest in 
> achieving that goal, as some have literally said they couldn't care
> less about standards and they'll just go ahead with whatever they
> want to implement regardless of whether or not it breaks
> compatibilities.

Ah, yes.  That's recognizably Microsoft, isn't it?

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Registered GNU/Linux user # 126326
Registered Ubuntu User # 2136-deprecated

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#8318

On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 22:44:40 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard"
<cybe_r_wizard@wizardstower> wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:48:34 -0600
>DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
>
>> The problem is, it seems as though there's not enough interest in 
>> achieving that goal, as some have literally said they couldn't care
>> less about standards and they'll just go ahead with whatever they
>> want to implement regardless of whether or not it breaks
>> compatibilities.
>
>Ah, yes.  That's recognizably Microsoft, isn't it?
>
>Cybe R. Wizard


  Didn't *he* just break a standard?  :-p

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#8326

Am 07.02.2013 05:44, schrieb Cybe R. Wizard:

> On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:48:34 -0600
> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
>
>> The problem is, it seems as though there's not enough interest in
>> achieving that goal, as some have literally said they couldn't care
>> less about standards and they'll just go ahead with whatever they
>> want to implement regardless of whether or not it breaks
>> compatibilities.
>
> Ah, yes.  That's recognizably Microsoft, isn't it?

Not really - Microsoft supports many of their own very old proprietary 
"standards" in Windows 7. Just have a look how many compatibility hacks 
they provide, just to keep old stuff running. Only 16-bit code will not 
be supported any longer in 64-bit-version. But you still can run a lot 
of old stuff from Window 3.1 or Windows 95 in Windows 7.


-- 
Arno Welzel
http://arnowelzel.de
http://de-rec-fahrrad.de

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#8335

On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 22:44:40 -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:48:34 -0600 DanS
> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
> 
>> The problem is, it seems as though there's not enough interest in
>> achieving that goal, as some have literally said they couldn't care
>> less about standards and they'll just go ahead with whatever they want
>> to implement regardless of whether or not it breaks compatibilities.
> 
> Ah, yes.  That's recognizably Microsoft, isn't it?

(*IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS DISCUSSION*) Is it? 

Who else authors OSs that are based on Windows and are supposed to be 
binary compatible with it, but have compatibility issues?

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#8286

On 02/05/2013 05:41 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Tim Streater, 2013-02-05 11:31:
>
>> In article <keqj7f21khr@news3.newsguy.com>,
>> crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> ... Jason Betts seems to be using PHP for desktop applications but
>>> through a java front-end?  And perhaps Tim Streater is doing something
>>> with it too.
>>
>> My desktop app uses JavaScript to present to the user, and PHP for
>> backend stuff such as writing to SQLite databases, communicating over
>> the net, writing log files, and other functions that the app needs. I
>> use apache/ajax to communicate between the two. As I said before -
>> heavy? Sure, but who cares.
>
> I would care if i would need all that stuff just to be able to run an
> application. It's not only about processing power or memory consumption
> - but also about security and stability. The more components you put
> together the more likely something can go wrong.

If you're using other people's components that's basically true, though 
the likelihood of a problem doesn't increase in direct proportion to the 
number of "foreign" components you're using but in relation to their 
quality... which of course is guesswork unless it's something like Adobe 
Flash which you can pretty much bet is messed up somehow.

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#8296

On 2013-02-05, crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> wrote:
>> where they're discussing it.
>>
>> So far the answer is "no, we're using stuff we think is easier" with the
>> possibility that M. Strobel is also engaged in this bizarre activity
>> (though he didn't say yea or nay but commented on its applicability).
>
> ... Jason Betts seems to be using PHP for desktop applications but 
> through a java front-end?  And perhaps Tim Streater is doing something 
> with it too.
>
> Not a whole huge mob of folks. <g>

Nah, it's all C and and a little javascript at the client end.

I php for websites, and Im starting to regret it.

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#8300

On 05/02/13 21:51, Jasen Betts wrote:
> On 2013-02-05, crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> wrote:
>>> where they're discussing it.
>>>
>>> So far the answer is "no, we're using stuff we think is easier" with the
>>> possibility that M. Strobel is also engaged in this bizarre activity
>>> (though he didn't say yea or nay but commented on its applicability).
>>
>> ... Jason Betts seems to be using PHP for desktop applications but
>> through a java front-end?  And perhaps Tim Streater is doing something
>> with it too.
>>
>> Not a whole huge mob of folks. <g>
>
> Nah, it's all C and and a little javascript at the client end.
>
> I php for websites, and Im starting to regret it.
>
yeah..i use it to fast code some simple stuff but whenever I try and do 
anything complex, it starts to look messy.


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#8315

On 2013-02-05 09:26:06 +0000, crankypuss said:

> On 02/04/2013 09:08 AM, crankypuss wrote:
>> On 02/04/2013 02:29 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Am 04.02.2013 10:04, schrieb Tim Streater:
>>> 
>>>> In article <510F6570.8060103@arnowelzel.de>,
>>>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> crankypuss, 2013-02-02 21:27:
>>>>> 
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Is there a forum where the other folks (presuming there are any) who
>>>>>> have been writing applications in PHP hang out?  Don't say "yeah
>>>>> dummy,
>>>>>> go to comp.lang.python" please, my homor quotient is maxed out for
>>>>>> today. <g>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe <http://gtk.php.net/> is what you are looking for.
>>>> 
>>>> Website hasn't been updated for three years.
>>> 
>>> I know - but this is everything i'm aware of for building "standalone"
>>> applications with a GUI. If you can recommend something better - feel
>>> free to do so. Maybe the OP will understand, why using PHP for this
>>> purpose is not the best idea ;-)
>> 
>> Sometimes it's hard for me to grasp the idea that most people just use
>> whatever is sitting on the shelf and would never consider the idea of
>> building something else; usually it's at least as difficult for them to
>> grasp the idea that for me applications are not half as interesting as
>> the tools that enable them.  See, I don't *care* what's available this
>> week for writing standalone apps under PHP, what I mostly care about is
>> what the underlying operating system will support reliably and what the
>> PHP language itself is capable of.
>> 
>> The original post didn't ask for someone to help a poor weenie build
>> desktop applications in PHP, it asked who else is writing Linux or
>> cross-system applications in PHP, with perhaps some hope of finding out
>> where they're discussing it.
>> 
>> So far the answer is "no, we're using stuff we think is easier" with the
>> possibility that M. Strobel is also engaged in this bizarre activity
>> (though he didn't say yea or nay but commented on its applicability).
> 
> ... Jason Betts seems to be using PHP for desktop applications but 
> through a java front-end?  And perhaps Tim Streater is doing something 
> with it too.
> 
> Not a whole huge mob of folks. <g>


I would suggest using python. I programmed php for 5 years now, and 
after I learned python, I don't use php for other than web 
programming.. python works great with GUI too.. IIRC it has gtk, qt and 
wx support.

java also works, but can maybe be a bit complicated.


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#8236

On 02/04/2013 12:38 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> crankypuss, 2013-02-02 21:27:
>
> [...]
>> Is there a forum where the other folks (presuming there are any) who
>> have been writing applications in PHP hang out?  Don't say "yeah dummy,
>> go to comp.lang.python" please, my homor quotient is maxed out for
>> today. <g>
>
> Maybe <http://gtk.php.net/> is what you are looking for.
>
> But this is still very limited - i recommend to learn C++ and how to use
> Qt. See <http://qt-project.org/downloads>.
>
> Qt also provides "Qt Creator" - a nice IDE including GUI designer,
> debugger etc.. (see <http://qt-project.org/wiki/Category:Tools::QtCreator>).
>
>

Go to a line-mode login and try to run one of your Qt applications.

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#8268

crankypuss, 2013-02-04 10:55:

> On 02/04/2013 12:38 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> crankypuss, 2013-02-02 21:27:
>>
>> [...]
>>> Is there a forum where the other folks (presuming there are any) who
>>> have been writing applications in PHP hang out?  Don't say "yeah dummy,
>>> go to comp.lang.python" please, my homor quotient is maxed out for
>>> today. <g>
>>
>> Maybe <http://gtk.php.net/> is what you are looking for.
>>
>> But this is still very limited - i recommend to learn C++ and how to use
>> Qt. See <http://qt-project.org/downloads>.
>>
>> Qt also provides "Qt Creator" - a nice IDE including GUI designer,
>> debugger etc.. (see
>> <http://qt-project.org/wiki/Category:Tools::QtCreator>).
>>
>>
> 
> Go to a line-mode login and try to run one of your Qt applications.

<http://doc.qt.digia.com/solutions/4/qtsingleapplication/qtsinglecoreapplication-example-console.html>


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#8288

On 02/05/2013 05:42 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> crankypuss, 2013-02-04 10:55:
>
>> On 02/04/2013 12:38 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> crankypuss, 2013-02-02 21:27:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>> Is there a forum where the other folks (presuming there are any) who
>>>> have been writing applications in PHP hang out?  Don't say "yeah dummy,
>>>> go to comp.lang.python" please, my homor quotient is maxed out for
>>>> today. <g>
>>>
>>> Maybe <http://gtk.php.net/> is what you are looking for.
>>>
>>> But this is still very limited - i recommend to learn C++ and how to use
>>> Qt. See <http://qt-project.org/downloads>.
>>>
>>> Qt also provides "Qt Creator" - a nice IDE including GUI designer,
>>> debugger etc.. (see
>>> <http://qt-project.org/wiki/Category:Tools::QtCreator>).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Go to a line-mode login and try to run one of your Qt applications.
>
> <http://doc.qt.digia.com/solutions/4/qtsingleapplication/qtsinglecoreapplication-example-console.html>
>
>

Thanks for the link.  It's potentially interesting, but the OOP obscura 
kind of hides what it's doing.  Presumably you've run it on a line-mode 
console?  What level of support does it provide, is it character mode or 
pixel mode?  What are they using for their interface to the display?

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#8331

crankypuss, 2013-02-05 20:28:

> On 02/05/2013 05:42 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> crankypuss, 2013-02-04 10:55:
[...]
>>> Go to a line-mode login and try to run one of your Qt applications.
>>
>> <http://doc.qt.digia.com/solutions/4/qtsingleapplication/qtsinglecoreapplication-example-console.html>
> 
> Thanks for the link.  It's potentially interesting, but the OOP obscura
> kind of hides what it's doing.  Presumably you've run it on a line-mode
> console?  What level of support does it provide, is it character mode or
> pixel mode?  What are they using for their interface to the display?

What is "pixel mode"? What exactly do you mean with "level of support"?

It's a *console* application and of course it will just output *text* to
stdout.


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