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  Looking for relational database programmed in PHP robamman2019@gmail.com - 2019-12-19 08:10 -0800
    Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2019-12-19 12:30 -0500
      Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP robamman2019@gmail.com - 2019-12-19 14:33 -0800
        Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2019-12-19 17:49 -0500
          Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP robamman2019@gmail.com - 2019-12-20 09:37 -0800
            Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2019-12-20 16:51 -0500
              Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP robamman2019@gmail.com - 2019-12-21 05:25 -0800
                Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2019-12-21 17:48 -0500
                  Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Kristjan Robam <robamman2019@gmail.com> - 2019-12-22 00:20 -0800
                    Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2019-12-22 10:05 -0500
                Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-12-22 18:04 +0100
                  Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP robamman2019@gmail.com - 2019-12-22 10:10 -0800
        Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-12-20 07:21 +0100
          Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP robamman2019@gmail.com - 2019-12-20 09:44 -0800
            Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-12-20 20:28 +0100
              Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP robamman2019@gmail.com - 2019-12-21 05:20 -0800
                Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-12-22 15:35 +0100
              Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2019-12-21 17:50 -0500
                Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP robamman2019@gmail.com - 2019-12-22 00:24 -0800
    Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP kristjanise129@gmail.com - 2020-03-13 09:50 -0700
      Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2020-03-13 14:33 -0400
        Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP kristjanise129@gmail.com - 2020-03-13 11:58 -0700
          Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2020-03-13 20:09 +0100
            Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP robamman2020@hotmail.com - 2020-03-13 23:02 -0700
          Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2020-03-13 18:19 -0400
            Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP robamman2020@hotmail.com - 2020-03-13 23:04 -0700
          Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-03-14 13:21 +0100
            Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Kristjan Robam <robamman2020@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-14 09:26 -0700
    Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Kristjan Robam <robamman2020@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-19 11:43 -0700
    Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Kristjan Robam <robamman2020@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-19 13:16 -0700
    Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Kristjan Robam <robamman2020@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-20 02:31 -0700
    Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Kristjan Robam <robamman2020@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-20 05:13 -0700
    Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Kristjan Robam <robamman2020@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-20 08:09 -0700
    Includable simple object based relational php database, that saves data to files and uses only 1 file (the database system php file) Kristjan Robam <robamman2020@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-21 11:45 -0700
    Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Kristjan Robam <robamman2020@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-21 23:29 -0700
      Simple object based php database system, that saves data to files and needs only 1 php file(the system php file) Kristjan Robam <robamman2020@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-24 09:06 -0700
    Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Kristjan Robam <robamman2020@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-24 22:46 -0700
      Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Kristjan Robam <robamman2020@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-26 01:16 -0700
        Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP robamman2020@hotmail.com - 2020-03-28 08:21 -0700
          Re: Looking for relational database programmed in PHP Luuk <luuk34@gmail.com> - 2020-03-28 17:39 +0100
            Re: Simple object based relational database system, that saves data to files and is includable(php file) robamman2020@hotmail.com - 2020-03-29 08:46 -0700
              Re: Simple object based relational php database system, that saves data to files and is includable(php file) robamman2020@hotmail.com - 2020-03-29 08:52 -0700
                Re: Simple object based relational php database system, that saves data to files and is includable(php file) Luuk <luuk34@gmail.com> - 2020-03-30 20:02 +0200
                  Re: Simple object based relational php database system, that saves data to files and is includable(php file) Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2020-04-01 02:49 +0000
                  Re: Simple object based relational php database system, that saves data to files and is includable(php file) robamman2020@hotmail.com - 2020-03-31 23:16 -0700
                    Re: Simple object based relational php database system, that saves data to files and is includable(php file) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-04-01 16:47 +0200
              Re: Simple object based relational database system, that saves data to files and is includable(php file) Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-30 18:16 +0000
                Re: Simple object based relational database system, that saves data to files and is includable(php file) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-03-31 11:59 +0200
                  Re: Simple object based relational database system, that saves data to files and is includable(php file) robamman2020@hotmail.com - 2020-03-31 23:15 -0700
                    Re: Simple object based relational database system, that saves data to files and is includable(php file) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-04-01 16:48 +0200
                      Re: Simple object based database system, that saves data to files and is includable(php file) robamman2020@hotmail.com - 2020-04-01 10:03 -0700

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#18116 — Looking for relational database programmed in PHP

Hello.
I'm looking for relational database, that doesn't need extension to be enabled in php.ini and saves data to directory and is programmed in PHP.

Examples, that aren't what I need: "sqlite" - needs extension to be enabled.
"microdb" (https://morris.github.io/microdb/) - isn't relational.


So if somebody knows something, then let me know.


With the best wishes, 
Kristjan Robam

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#18117

On 12/19/2019 11:10 AM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello.
> I'm looking for relational database, that doesn't need extension to be enabled in php.ini and saves data to directory and is programmed in PHP.
> 
> Examples, that aren't what I need: "sqlite" - needs extension to be enabled.
> "microdb" (https://morris.github.io/microdb/) - isn't relational.
> 
> 
> So if somebody knows something, then let me know.
> 
> 
> With the best wishes,
> Kristjan Robam
> 

I doubt you'll find anything, but if you did PHP would be way too slow 
to do much of anything.  There's a reason why relational databases are 
written in a compiled language.  A lot of code needs to be executed even 
for the simplest of queries.

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#18118

neljapäev, 19. detsember 2019 19:29.58 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
> On 12/19/2019 11:10 AM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> > Hello.
> > I'm looking for relational database, that doesn't need extension to be enabled in php.ini and saves data to directory and is programmed in PHP.
> > 
> > Examples, that aren't what I need: "sqlite" - needs extension to be enabled.
> > "microdb" (https://morris.github.io/microdb/) - isn't relational.
> > 
> > 
> > So if somebody knows something, then let me know.
> > 
> > 
> > With the best wishes,
> > Kristjan Robam
> > 
> 
> I doubt you'll find anything, but if you did PHP would be way too slow 
> to do much of anything.  There's a reason why relational databases are 
> written in a compiled language.  A lot of code needs to be executed even 
> for the simplest of queries.
> 
Yes, but I have my own reasons for that. When my webpage goes offline, I have to fast move the webpage to another place. This kind of thing would be good for browser internet games, that don't take so much space.
I am pretty sure there is one already made, so that I don't have to start programming it myself.

With the best wishes,
Kristjan Robam
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#18119

On 12/19/2019 5:33 PM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> neljapäev, 19. detsember 2019 19:29.58 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
>> On 12/19/2019 11:10 AM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Hello.
>>> I'm looking for relational database, that doesn't need extension to be enabled in php.ini and saves data to directory and is programmed in PHP.
>>>
>>> Examples, that aren't what I need: "sqlite" - needs extension to be enabled.
>>> "microdb" (https://morris.github.io/microdb/) - isn't relational.
>>>
>>>
>>> So if somebody knows something, then let me know.
>>>
>>>
>>> With the best wishes,
>>> Kristjan Robam
>>>
>>
>> I doubt you'll find anything, but if you did PHP would be way too slow
>> to do much of anything.  There's a reason why relational databases are
>> written in a compiled language.  A lot of code needs to be executed even
>> for the simplest of queries.
>>
> Yes, but I have my own reasons for that. When my webpage goes offline, I have to fast move the webpage to another place. This kind of thing would be good for browser internet games, that don't take so much space.
> I am pretty sure there is one already made, so that I don't have to start programming it myself.
> 
> With the best wishes,
> Kristjan Robam
>> -- 

There are better ways to keep websites up and running (but that's off 
topic in a PHP newsgroup).  A relational database is NOT a simple 
project.  There's a reason why even a very basic relational database 
runs a couple of megabytes of compiled code.

I have never seen anyone try to code an RDB in MySQL (or any other 
scripting language for that matter).

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#18121

reede, 20. detsember 2019 0:49.15 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
> On 12/19/2019 5:33 PM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> > neljapäev, 19. detsember 2019 19:29.58 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
> >> On 12/19/2019 11:10 AM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Hello.
> >>> I'm looking for relational database, that doesn't need extension to be enabled in php.ini and saves data to directory and is programmed in PHP.
> >>>
> >>> Examples, that aren't what I need: "sqlite" - needs extension to be enabled.
> >>> "microdb" (https://morris.github.io/microdb/) - isn't relational.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So if somebody knows something, then let me know.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> With the best wishes,
> >>> Kristjan Robam
> >>>
> >>
> >> I doubt you'll find anything, but if you did PHP would be way too slow
> >> to do much of anything.  There's a reason why relational databases are
> >> written in a compiled language.  A lot of code needs to be executed even
> >> for the simplest of queries.
> >>
> > Yes, but I have my own reasons for that. When my webpage goes offline, I have to fast move the webpage to another place. This kind of thing would be good for browser internet games, that don't take so much space.
> > I am pretty sure there is one already made, so that I don't have to start programming it myself.
> > 
> > With the best wishes,
> > Kristjan Robam
> >> -- 
> 
> There are better ways to keep websites up and running (but that's off 
> topic in a PHP newsgroup).  A relational database is NOT a simple 
> project.  There's a reason why even a very basic relational database 
> runs a couple of megabytes of compiled code.
> 
> I have never seen anyone try to code an RDB in MySQL (or any other 
> scripting language for that matter).
> 
Okey, I think also that it is not a simple project. But to write a simple one may not be very hard. Like this "microdb" ( simple php based database system). Maybe I should ask the guy who wrote this, that maybe he would consider making it be relational. There would be only some modifications for it to go relational.

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#18124

On 12/20/2019 12:37 PM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> reede, 20. detsember 2019 0:49.15 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
>> On 12/19/2019 5:33 PM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
>>> neljapäev, 19. detsember 2019 19:29.58 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> On 12/19/2019 11:10 AM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Hello.
>>>>> I'm looking for relational database, that doesn't need extension to be enabled in php.ini and saves data to directory and is programmed in PHP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Examples, that aren't what I need: "sqlite" - needs extension to be enabled.
>>>>> "microdb" (https://morris.github.io/microdb/) - isn't relational.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So if somebody knows something, then let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With the best wishes,
>>>>> Kristjan Robam
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I doubt you'll find anything, but if you did PHP would be way too slow
>>>> to do much of anything.  There's a reason why relational databases are
>>>> written in a compiled language.  A lot of code needs to be executed even
>>>> for the simplest of queries.
>>>>
>>> Yes, but I have my own reasons for that. When my webpage goes offline, I have to fast move the webpage to another place. This kind of thing would be good for browser internet games, that don't take so much space.
>>> I am pretty sure there is one already made, so that I don't have to start programming it myself.
>>>
>>> With the best wishes,
>>> Kristjan Robam
>>>> -- 
>>
>> There are better ways to keep websites up and running (but that's off
>> topic in a PHP newsgroup).  A relational database is NOT a simple
>> project.  There's a reason why even a very basic relational database
>> runs a couple of megabytes of compiled code.
>>
>> I have never seen anyone try to code an RDB in MySQL (or any other
>> scripting language for that matter).
>>
> Okey, I think also that it is not a simple project. But to write a simple one may not be very hard. Like this "microdb" ( simple php based database system). Maybe I should ask the guy who wrote this, that maybe he would consider making it be relational. There would be only some modifications for it to go relational.
> 

A relational database system is much more complicated than the simple 
one your talking about.  Many, many things to consider.  Sqlite is about 
the simplest one around - and you can see how much code that takes.

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#18126

reede, 20. detsember 2019 23:51.13 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
> On 12/20/2019 12:37 PM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> > reede, 20. detsember 2019 0:49.15 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
> >> On 12/19/2019 5:33 PM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> neljapäev, 19. detsember 2019 19:29.58 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
> >>>> On 12/19/2019 11:10 AM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> Hello.
> >>>>> I'm looking for relational database, that doesn't need extension to be enabled in php.ini and saves data to directory and is programmed in PHP.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Examples, that aren't what I need: "sqlite" - needs extension to be enabled.
> >>>>> "microdb" (https://morris.github.io/microdb/) - isn't relational.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So if somebody knows something, then let me know.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With the best wishes,
> >>>>> Kristjan Robam
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I doubt you'll find anything, but if you did PHP would be way too slow
> >>>> to do much of anything.  There's a reason why relational databases are
> >>>> written in a compiled language.  A lot of code needs to be executed even
> >>>> for the simplest of queries.
> >>>>
> >>> Yes, but I have my own reasons for that. When my webpage goes offline, I have to fast move the webpage to another place. This kind of thing would be good for browser internet games, that don't take so much space.
> >>> I am pretty sure there is one already made, so that I don't have to start programming it myself.
> >>>
> >>> With the best wishes,
> >>> Kristjan Robam
> >>>> -- 
> >>
> >> There are better ways to keep websites up and running (but that's off
> >> topic in a PHP newsgroup).  A relational database is NOT a simple
> >> project.  There's a reason why even a very basic relational database
> >> runs a couple of megabytes of compiled code.
> >>
> >> I have never seen anyone try to code an RDB in MySQL (or any other
> >> scripting language for that matter).
> >>
> > Okey, I think also that it is not a simple project. But to write a simple one may not be very hard. Like this "microdb" ( simple php based database system). Maybe I should ask the guy who wrote this, that maybe he would consider making it be relational. There would be only some modifications for it to go relational.
> > 
> 
> A relational database system is much more complicated than the simple 
> one your talking about.  Many, many things to consider.  Sqlite is about 
> the simplest one around - and you can see how much code that takes.
> 
Yes. But what I mean in simple functions on relational database is just joining tables and getting the data collected of these kind of queries. That would be not hard to program.

With the best wishes,
Kristjan Robam
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#18127

On 12/21/2019 8:25 AM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> reede, 20. detsember 2019 23:51.13 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
>> On 12/20/2019 12:37 PM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
>>> reede, 20. detsember 2019 0:49.15 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> On 12/19/2019 5:33 PM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> neljapäev, 19. detsember 2019 19:29.58 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
>>>>>> On 12/19/2019 11:10 AM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>> I'm looking for relational database, that doesn't need extension to be enabled in php.ini and saves data to directory and is programmed in PHP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Examples, that aren't what I need: "sqlite" - needs extension to be enabled.
>>>>>>> "microdb" (https://morris.github.io/microdb/) - isn't relational.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if somebody knows something, then let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the best wishes,
>>>>>>> Kristjan Robam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I doubt you'll find anything, but if you did PHP would be way too slow
>>>>>> to do much of anything.  There's a reason why relational databases are
>>>>>> written in a compiled language.  A lot of code needs to be executed even
>>>>>> for the simplest of queries.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but I have my own reasons for that. When my webpage goes offline, I have to fast move the webpage to another place. This kind of thing would be good for browser internet games, that don't take so much space.
>>>>> I am pretty sure there is one already made, so that I don't have to start programming it myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the best wishes,
>>>>> Kristjan Robam
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> There are better ways to keep websites up and running (but that's off
>>>> topic in a PHP newsgroup).  A relational database is NOT a simple
>>>> project.  There's a reason why even a very basic relational database
>>>> runs a couple of megabytes of compiled code.
>>>>
>>>> I have never seen anyone try to code an RDB in MySQL (or any other
>>>> scripting language for that matter).
>>>>
>>> Okey, I think also that it is not a simple project. But to write a simple one may not be very hard. Like this "microdb" ( simple php based database system). Maybe I should ask the guy who wrote this, that maybe he would consider making it be relational. There would be only some modifications for it to go relational.
>>>
>>
>> A relational database system is much more complicated than the simple
>> one your talking about.  Many, many things to consider.  Sqlite is about
>> the simplest one around - and you can see how much code that takes.
>>
> Yes. But what I mean in simple functions on relational database is just joining tables and getting the data collected of these kind of queries. That would be not hard to program.
> 
> With the best wishes,
> Kristjan Robam

Which is what I meant, also.  It rapidly becomes VERY complicated. 
That's why SQLite's source code is so big.  It implements all of the 
basic functions of SQL, but is missing many of the more advanced 
functions.  Even so, the source code is several megabytes in size.

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#18129

pühapäev, 22. detsember 2019 0:48.25 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
> On 12/21/2019 8:25 AM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> > reede, 20. detsember 2019 23:51.13 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
> >> On 12/20/2019 12:37 PM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> reede, 20. detsember 2019 0:49.15 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
> >>>> On 12/19/2019 5:33 PM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> neljapäev, 19. detsember 2019 19:29.58 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
> >>>>>> On 12/19/2019 11:10 AM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hello.
> >>>>>>> I'm looking for relational database, that doesn't need extension to be enabled in php.ini and saves data to directory and is programmed in PHP.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Examples, that aren't what I need: "sqlite" - needs extension to be enabled.
> >>>>>>> "microdb" (https://morris.github.io/microdb/) - isn't relational.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So if somebody knows something, then let me know.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> With the best wishes,
> >>>>>>> Kristjan Robam
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I doubt you'll find anything, but if you did PHP would be way too slow
> >>>>>> to do much of anything.  There's a reason why relational databases are
> >>>>>> written in a compiled language.  A lot of code needs to be executed even
> >>>>>> for the simplest of queries.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, but I have my own reasons for that. When my webpage goes offline, I have to fast move the webpage to another place. This kind of thing would be good for browser internet games, that don't take so much space.
> >>>>> I am pretty sure there is one already made, so that I don't have to start programming it myself.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With the best wishes,
> >>>>> Kristjan Robam
> >>>>>> -- 
> >>>>
> >>>> There are better ways to keep websites up and running (but that's off
> >>>> topic in a PHP newsgroup).  A relational database is NOT a simple
> >>>> project.  There's a reason why even a very basic relational database
> >>>> runs a couple of megabytes of compiled code.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have never seen anyone try to code an RDB in MySQL (or any other
> >>>> scripting language for that matter).
> >>>>
> >>> Okey, I think also that it is not a simple project. But to write a simple one may not be very hard. Like this "microdb" ( simple php based database system). Maybe I should ask the guy who wrote this, that maybe he would consider making it be relational. There would be only some modifications for it to go relational.
> >>>
> >>
> >> A relational database system is much more complicated than the simple
> >> one your talking about.  Many, many things to consider.  Sqlite is about
> >> the simplest one around - and you can see how much code that takes.
> >>
> > Yes. But what I mean in simple functions on relational database is just joining tables and getting the data collected of these kind of queries. That would be not hard to program.
> > 
> > With the best wishes,
> > Kristjan Robam
> 
> Which is what I meant, also.  It rapidly becomes VERY complicated. 
> That's why SQLite's source code is so big.  It implements all of the 
> basic functions of SQL, but is missing many of the more advanced 
> functions.  Even so, the source code is several megabytes in size.
> 
Actually this problem sounds simple. I think, for a advanced programmer, it would not be so difficult to program and would take only some lines or pages. Personally I think, if you have programming experience at least 15 years and you are a real programming fan, then you know how to make even very difficult problems very simple. Like Albert Einstein said: " Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
Basically I think that genius can make difficult problems maybe about 1000 times simpler.

With the best wishes,
Kristjan Robam

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#18135

On 12/22/2019 3:20 AM, Kristjan Robam wrote:
> pühapäev, 22. detsember 2019 0:48.25 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
>> On 12/21/2019 8:25 AM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
>>> reede, 20. detsember 2019 23:51.13 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> On 12/20/2019 12:37 PM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> reede, 20. detsember 2019 0:49.15 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
>>>>>> On 12/19/2019 5:33 PM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> neljapäev, 19. detsember 2019 19:29.58 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2019 11:10 AM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for relational database, that doesn't need extension to be enabled in php.ini and saves data to directory and is programmed in PHP.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Examples, that aren't what I need: "sqlite" - needs extension to be enabled.
>>>>>>>>> "microdb" (https://morris.github.io/microdb/) - isn't relational.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So if somebody knows something, then let me know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With the best wishes,
>>>>>>>>> Kristjan Robam
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I doubt you'll find anything, but if you did PHP would be way too slow
>>>>>>>> to do much of anything.  There's a reason why relational databases are
>>>>>>>> written in a compiled language.  A lot of code needs to be executed even
>>>>>>>> for the simplest of queries.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, but I have my own reasons for that. When my webpage goes offline, I have to fast move the webpage to another place. This kind of thing would be good for browser internet games, that don't take so much space.
>>>>>>> I am pretty sure there is one already made, so that I don't have to start programming it myself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the best wishes,
>>>>>>> Kristjan Robam
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are better ways to keep websites up and running (but that's off
>>>>>> topic in a PHP newsgroup).  A relational database is NOT a simple
>>>>>> project.  There's a reason why even a very basic relational database
>>>>>> runs a couple of megabytes of compiled code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never seen anyone try to code an RDB in MySQL (or any other
>>>>>> scripting language for that matter).
>>>>>>
>>>>> Okey, I think also that it is not a simple project. But to write a simple one may not be very hard. Like this "microdb" ( simple php based database system). Maybe I should ask the guy who wrote this, that maybe he would consider making it be relational. There would be only some modifications for it to go relational.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A relational database system is much more complicated than the simple
>>>> one your talking about.  Many, many things to consider.  Sqlite is about
>>>> the simplest one around - and you can see how much code that takes.
>>>>
>>> Yes. But what I mean in simple functions on relational database is just joining tables and getting the data collected of these kind of queries. That would be not hard to program.
>>>
>>> With the best wishes,
>>> Kristjan Robam
>>
>> Which is what I meant, also.  It rapidly becomes VERY complicated.
>> That's why SQLite's source code is so big.  It implements all of the
>> basic functions of SQL, but is missing many of the more advanced
>> functions.  Even so, the source code is several megabytes in size.
>>
> Actually this problem sounds simple. I think, for a advanced programmer, it would not be so difficult to program and would take only some lines or pages. Personally I think, if you have programming experience at least 15 years and you are a real programming fan, then you know how to make even very difficult problems very simple. Like Albert Einstein said: " Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
> Basically I think that genius can make difficult problems maybe about 1000 times simpler.
> 
> With the best wishes,
> Kristjan Robam
> 
I'm glad YOU think it's simple.

For the record - I've been programming for over 50 years, including 8 at 
IBM and 29 as an independent consultant, mainly for Fortune 500 
companies.  I've been using RDB's for well over 30 years.

There's only so far you can simplify something.  It would be nice if you 
could create a car without an engine, drive train, steering and brakes. 
That would make it a lot simpler!

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#18136

robamman2019@gmail.com, 2019-12-21 14:25:

> reede, 20. detsember 2019 23:51.13 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
[...]
>> A relational database system is much more complicated than the
>> simple one your talking about.  Many, many things to consider.
>> Sqlite is about the simplest one around - and you can see how much
>> code that takes.
>> 
> Yes. But what I mean in simple functions on relational database is
> just joining tables and getting the data collected of these kind of
> queries. That would be not hard to program.

Joining tables is *not* "simple".

If you need a database, use a database. Trying to build your own
database in PHP to avoid using an extension like SQLite makes no sense,
really.



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http://arnowelzel.de

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#18137

pühapäev, 22. detsember 2019 19:05.05 UTC+2 kirjutas Arno Welzel:
> robamman2019@gmail.com, 2019-12-21 14:25:
> 
> > reede, 20. detsember 2019 23:51.13 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
> [...]
> >> A relational database system is much more complicated than the
> >> simple one your talking about.  Many, many things to consider.
> >> Sqlite is about the simplest one around - and you can see how much
> >> code that takes.
> >> 
> > Yes. But what I mean in simple functions on relational database is
> > just joining tables and getting the data collected of these kind of
> > queries. That would be not hard to program.
> 
> Joining tables is *not* "simple".
> 
> If you need a database, use a database. Trying to build your own
> database in PHP to avoid using an extension like SQLite makes no sense,
> really.
> 
> 
I see. Ok, I think it's time to end this discussion. Everybody got their thoughts expressed and I think you made the point, that it's meaningless.


With the best wishes,
Kristjan Robam
> 
> -- 
> Arno Welzel
> http://arnowelzel.de

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#18120

On 19/12/2019 23:33, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> neljapäev, 19. detsember 2019 19:29.58 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
>> On 12/19/2019 11:10 AM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:

>>> I'm looking for relational database, that doesn't need extension to be enabled in php.ini and saves data to directory and is programmed in PHP.
>>>
>>> Examples, that aren't what I need: "sqlite" - needs extension to be enabled.
>>> "microdb" (https://morris.github.io/microdb/) - isn't relational.
>>
>> I doubt you'll find anything, but if you did PHP would be way too slow
>> to do much of anything.  There's a reason why relational databases are
>> written in a compiled language.  A lot of code needs to be executed even
>> for the simplest of queries.
>>
> Yes, but I have my own reasons for that. When my webpage goes offline, I have to fast move the webpage to another place. This kind of thing would be good for browser internet games, that don't take so much space.
> I am pretty sure there is one already made, so that I don't have to start programming it myself.

The solution is to use plain text files in that case, they work ok as 
long as you are working with a relatively small quantity of data.

The source code for sqlite is around 11M and it's dynamically linked, so 
you rewrite it in PHP you would need a larger code as sqlite is 
dynamically linked to other libraries which you would also need to write 
in PHP. Your relation database written in PHP would be slower than 
sqlite and would affect your site performance too.

As far as I know, all webhotels who provide PHP do also provide sqlite 
support as it by default enabled in php.ini.

-- 

  //Aho

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#18122

reede, 20. detsember 2019 8:21.11 UTC+2 kirjutas J.O. Aho:
> On 19/12/2019 23:33, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> > neljapäev, 19. detsember 2019 19:29.58 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
> >> On 12/19/2019 11:10 AM, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> >>> I'm looking for relational database, that doesn't need extension to be enabled in php.ini and saves data to directory and is programmed in PHP.
> >>>
> >>> Examples, that aren't what I need: "sqlite" - needs extension to be enabled.
> >>> "microdb" (https://morris.github.io/microdb/) - isn't relational.
> >>
> >> I doubt you'll find anything, but if you did PHP would be way too slow
> >> to do much of anything.  There's a reason why relational databases are
> >> written in a compiled language.  A lot of code needs to be executed even
> >> for the simplest of queries.
> >>
> > Yes, but I have my own reasons for that. When my webpage goes offline, I have to fast move the webpage to another place. This kind of thing would be good for browser internet games, that don't take so much space.
> > I am pretty sure there is one already made, so that I don't have to start programming it myself.
> 
> The solution is to use plain text files in that case, they work ok as 
> long as you are working with a relatively small quantity of data.
> 
> The source code for sqlite is around 11M and it's dynamically linked, so 
> you rewrite it in PHP you would need a larger code as sqlite is 
> dynamically linked to other libraries which you would also need to write 
> in PHP. Your relation database written in PHP would be slower than 
> sqlite and would affect your site performance too.
> 
> As far as I know, all webhotels who provide PHP do also provide sqlite 
> support as it by default enabled in php.ini.
> 
> -- 
> 
>   //Aho

The problem, why I made this topic is mainly because I don't want again to set up the database, when my webpage goes down. I am willing to find a new(free) place for it, but I don't want to start looking out the mysql database address and user name and password and so on. I want everything to be automatic.

With best wishes,
Kristjan Robam

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#18123

On 20/12/2019 18:44, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:

> The problem, why I made this topic is mainly because I don't want again to set up the database, when my webpage goes down. I am willing to find a new(free) place for it, but I don't want to start looking out the mysql database address and user name and password and so on. I want everything to be automatic.

Then use sqlite, here it's just a question about the location of the 
database file, which in your case would be the same documentroot 
directory as where you have the php pages at.

$db = new SQLite3("mydatabasefile.db");

No passwords to be remembered, if you want you can encrypt the database, 
then you need to encryption key. I do recommend that you use .htaccess 
file to deny access to the database file (of course that works only on 
apache web servers that allows user defined configurations).

-- 

  //Aho

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#18125

reede, 20. detsember 2019 21:28.41 UTC+2 kirjutas J.O. Aho:
> On 20/12/2019 18:44, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > The problem, why I made this topic is mainly because I don't want again to set up the database, when my webpage goes down. I am willing to find a new(free) place for it, but I don't want to start looking out the mysql database address and user name and password and so on. I want everything to be automatic.
> 
> Then use sqlite, here it's just a question about the location of the 
> database file, which in your case would be the same documentroot 
> directory as where you have the php pages at.
> 
> $db = new SQLite3("mydatabasefile.db");
> 
> No passwords to be remembered, if you want you can encrypt the database, 
> then you need to encryption key. I do recommend that you use .htaccess 
> file to deny access to the database file (of course that works only on 
> apache web servers that allows user defined configurations).
> 

No. Sqlite requires sqlite extension to be enabled in php.ini.
> -- 
> 
>   //Aho

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#18134

On 21/12/2019 14:20, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> reede, 20. detsember 2019 21:28.41 UTC+2 kirjutas J.O. Aho:
>> On 20/12/2019 18:44, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The problem, why I made this topic is mainly because I don't want again to set up the database, when my webpage goes down. I am willing to find a new(free) place for it, but I don't want to start looking out the mysql database address and user name and password and so on. I want everything to be automatic.
>>
>> Then use sqlite, here it's just a question about the location of the
>> database file, which in your case would be the same documentroot
>> directory as where you have the php pages at.
>>
>> $db = new SQLite3("mydatabasefile.db");
>>
>> No passwords to be remembered, if you want you can encrypt the database,
>> then you need to encryption key. I do recommend that you use .htaccess
>> file to deny access to the database file (of course that works only on
>> apache web servers that allows user defined configurations).
>>
> 
> No. Sqlite requires sqlite extension to be enabled in php.ini.

Which is default for php installations on the worlds most popular 
operating system.

-- 

  //Aho

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#18128

On 12/20/2019 2:28 PM, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 20/12/2019 18:44, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> The problem, why I made this topic is mainly because I don't want 
>> again to set up the database, when my webpage goes down. I am willing 
>> to find a new(free) place for it, but I don't want to start looking 
>> out the mysql database address and user name and password and so on. I 
>> want everything to be automatic.
> 
> Then use sqlite, here it's just a question about the location of the 
> database file, which in your case would be the same documentroot 
> directory as where you have the php pages at.
> 
> $db = new SQLite3("mydatabasefile.db");
> 
> No passwords to be remembered, if you want you can encrypt the database, 
> then you need to encryption key. I do recommend that you use .htaccess 
> file to deny access to the database file (of course that works only on 
> apache web servers that allows user defined configurations).
> 

J.O.

He's not going to learn until he wastes a lot of time.  He has 
absolutely no idea how complicated even a simple RDBMS is.


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#18130

pühapäev, 22. detsember 2019 0:50.01 UTC+2 kirjutas Jerry Stuckle:
> On 12/20/2019 2:28 PM, J.O. Aho wrote:
> > On 20/12/2019 18:44, robamman2019@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> >> The problem, why I made this topic is mainly because I don't want 
> >> again to set up the database, when my webpage goes down. I am willing 
> >> to find a new(free) place for it, but I don't want to start looking 
> >> out the mysql database address and user name and password and so on. I 
> >> want everything to be automatic.
> > 
> > Then use sqlite, here it's just a question about the location of the 
> > database file, which in your case would be the same documentroot 
> > directory as where you have the php pages at.
> > 
> > $db = new SQLite3("mydatabasefile.db");
> > 
> > No passwords to be remembered, if you want you can encrypt the database, 
> > then you need to encryption key. I do recommend that you use .htaccess 
> > file to deny access to the database file (of course that works only on 
> > apache web servers that allows user defined configurations).
> > 
> 
> J.O.
> 
> He's not going to learn until he wastes a lot of time.  He has 
> absolutely no idea how complicated even a simple RDBMS is.
> 
Maybe one day I will try to do that, but until I will try to find one already made, I am not starting to mess with this problem. But actually it would be a nice programming exercise to do that.

With the best wishes,
Kristjan Robam
> 
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#18234

I am asking anyway.
Is somebody found this kind of database from web?

I would really appreciate it.
I am gonna search it myself too now...
But the faster I get the answer, the better it is...


With best regards,
Kristjan Robam

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