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| Started by | James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2015-12-19 10:03 +0000 |
| Last post | 2016-01-12 05:34 +0100 |
| Articles | 19 on this page of 159 — 11 participants |
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PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 10:03 +0000
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-19 08:20 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 10:16 +0000
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-20 09:31 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 17:11 +0000
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-20 16:42 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-25 15:56 +0000
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-25 11:23 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 10:09 +0000
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-26 09:33 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 22:54 +0000
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-20 18:40 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 10:38 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 08:41 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 15:30 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 11:04 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 23:24 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:16 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 00:33 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:19 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 10:27 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-22 11:18 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 06:34 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-22 16:00 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 10:56 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 15:56 +0100
OT: pre-PHP day (was: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program) Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 16:57 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 11:03 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-22 18:02 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 14:47 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 11:04 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 18:22 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 12:33 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 18:46 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2015-12-21 17:25 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 23:17 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:23 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-28 15:26 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 10:02 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-28 18:14 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 12:29 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-28 18:54 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 14:15 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-28 21:18 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 15:49 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-12-28 20:31 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 20:48 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 11:26 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 12:33 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 18:57 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:14 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-30 19:05 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:18 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-12-30 21:55 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-30 22:14 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 22:43 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 22:46 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 22:42 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 09:07 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 07:47 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 16:11 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 10:47 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 17:43 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 13:49 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 20:35 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 11:18 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 12:36 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 19:09 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2015-12-30 20:28 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:21 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 09:09 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:21 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 09:16 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 07:53 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 16:03 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 10:49 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-31 17:16 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 13:54 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-31 20:41 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 14:47 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 20:56 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 15:21 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 17:52 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 13:51 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-28 19:35 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 14:17 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 00:20 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:27 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 10:12 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 06:36 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 13:57 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 11:05 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 17:22 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 12:01 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 18:25 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 12:34 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2015-12-21 14:53 -0800
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:30 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-21 21:40 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-21 21:47 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 21:55 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-21 21:57 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 22:01 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 21:54 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2015-12-22 11:54 -0800
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 15:42 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-02 11:08 -0800
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-02 15:12 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-04 10:41 -0800
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 14:39 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2015-12-22 11:49 -0800
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 15:44 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-02 11:09 -0800
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-02 15:14 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-04 10:42 -0800
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 14:41 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-04 22:54 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 19:40 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 04:19 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 22:29 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2016-01-05 02:02 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 09:08 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 18:55 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:06 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-04 15:51 -0800
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 19:41 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 04:27 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 22:31 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 04:48 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 22:52 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 09:16 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 09:08 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 18:59 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:07 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 01:13 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 20:52 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 08:53 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 09:15 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-05 09:00 -0800
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 19:01 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:09 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 01:15 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 20:51 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 08:54 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 09:16 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 09:02 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 08:02 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 23:42 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 20:44 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:09 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-06 09:27 -0800
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 15:25 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-06 13:27 -0800
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 16:32 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 09:03 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 08:03 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 23:45 +0100
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 20:48 -0500
Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-12 05:34 +0100
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 14:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n6h48b$t1b$5@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #16092 |
On 1/5/2016 1:01 PM, Arno Welzel wrote: > Daniel Pitts schrieb am 2016-01-05 um 18:00: > >> On 1/4/16 4:41 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> On 1/4/2016 6:51 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >>>>>>> Yes, frameworks. I can code pages as they need to be coded, instead of >>>>>>> trying to work around the restrictions of crappy frameworks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And my pages are smaller and load faster also, because I don't have to >>>>>>> load tons of unnecessary junk. >>>>>> I doubt that. Though I don't doubt they have more bugs and are harder >>>>>> to maintain. >>>>> >>>>> You have no idea. They are easy to maintain and have few bugs because >>>>> they don't include all kinds of unnecessary stuff. And since they don't >>>>> include unnecessary stuff, they load more quickly. >>>>> >>>>> Try coding for a site which gets up to 1K page views per second, for >>>>> instance. You aren't going to get that with Symfony2 or any other >>>>> framework. >>>> Funny, that's exactly the type of thing I work on. Symfyon2 does just >>>> fine, because we know how to code using it. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Let's see you do > 1K pages/second with real pages (not 1K hits with >>> echo "Hello World") reliably. >> The company I work for is in the top 10 on this page: >> https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Market-Rankings/comScore-Ranks-the-Top-50-US-Digital-Media-Properties-for-May-2015 >> >> I'm refraining from mentioning it due to company policy. I don't want >> to give the impression that my personal opinions here in any way reflect >> the opinions of my employer. > > I bet Jerry will tell us now, that the companies he works for are even > bigger ;-) > > I bet you're just as full of crap now as always, troll. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 01:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <568C5C95.3010507@arnowelzel.de> |
| In reply to | #16097 |
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-05 um 20:09: > I bet you're just as full of crap now as always, troll. I just reflect your behaviour here. -- Arno Welzel http://arnowelzel.de http://de-rec-fahrrad.de http://fahrradzukunft.de
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 20:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n6hrp5$m9s$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #16100 |
On 1/5/2016 7:15 PM, Arno Welzel wrote: > Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-05 um 20:09: > >> I bet you're just as full of crap now as always, troll. > > I just reflect your behaviour here. > > ROFLMAO! You've not only proven you have no idea how to deal with a high traffic site, you don't even know how to test traffic. But then that's just fine for someone who's sites get 2 hits/hour. Even a TRS-80 would work for your sites. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 08:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <568CC83D.8070909@arnowelzel.de> |
| In reply to | #16101 |
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 02:51: > On 1/5/2016 7:15 PM, Arno Welzel wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-05 um 20:09: >> >>> I bet you're just as full of crap now as always, troll. >> >> I just reflect your behaviour here. >> >> > > ROFLMAO! You've not only proven you have no idea how to deal with a > high traffic site, you don't even know how to test traffic. > > But then that's just fine for someone who's sites get 2 hits/hour. Even > a TRS-80 would work for your sites. I just reflect your behaviour here. See? QED -- Arno Welzel http://arnowelzel.de http://de-rec-fahrrad.de http://fahrradzukunft.de
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 09:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n6j7et$ifk$2@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #16104 |
On 1/6/2016 2:54 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: > Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 02:51: > >> On 1/5/2016 7:15 PM, Arno Welzel wrote: >>> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-05 um 20:09: >>> >>>> I bet you're just as full of crap now as always, troll. >>> >>> I just reflect your behaviour here. >>> >>> >> >> ROFLMAO! You've not only proven you have no idea how to deal with a >> high traffic site, you don't even know how to test traffic. >> >> But then that's just fine for someone who's sites get 2 hits/hour. Even >> a TRS-80 would work for your sites. > > I just reflect your behaviour here. > > See? QED > > No, I'm not unmunging your email address or searching out unrelated information about you. Those are YOUR behaviors, troll. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2016-01-11 09:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <56936191.6060007@arnowelzel.de> |
| In reply to | #16108 |
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 15:16: > On 1/6/2016 2:54 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 02:51: >> >>> On 1/5/2016 7:15 PM, Arno Welzel wrote: >>>> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-05 um 20:09: >>>> >>>>> I bet you're just as full of crap now as always, troll. >>>> >>>> I just reflect your behaviour here. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ROFLMAO! You've not only proven you have no idea how to deal with a >>> high traffic site, you don't even know how to test traffic. >>> >>> But then that's just fine for someone who's sites get 2 hits/hour. Even >>> a TRS-80 would work for your sites. >> >> I just reflect your behaviour here. >> >> See? QED >> >> > > No, I'm not unmunging your email address or searching out unrelated > information about you. Those are YOUR behaviors, troll. You did it again. QED -- Arno Welzel http://arnowelzel.de http://de-rec-fahrrad.de http://fahrradzukunft.de
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-11 08:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n708vc$cp0$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #16168 |
On 1/11/2016 3:02 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: > Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 15:16: > >> On 1/6/2016 2:54 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: >>> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 02:51: >>> >>>> On 1/5/2016 7:15 PM, Arno Welzel wrote: >>>>> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-05 um 20:09: >>>>> >>>>>> I bet you're just as full of crap now as always, troll. >>>>> >>>>> I just reflect your behaviour here. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ROFLMAO! You've not only proven you have no idea how to deal with a >>>> high traffic site, you don't even know how to test traffic. >>>> >>>> But then that's just fine for someone who's sites get 2 hits/hour. Even >>>> a TRS-80 would work for your sites. >>> >>> I just reflect your behaviour here. >>> >>> See? QED >>> >>> >> >> No, I'm not unmunging your email address or searching out unrelated >> information about you. Those are YOUR behaviors, troll. > > You did it again. > > QED > > Trolls are always blaming other people for their behavior. The proof is in the newsgroups, Arno. You can't get away from it. And you can't blame me for your problems. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2016-01-11 23:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <56942FC8.5080604@arnowelzel.de> |
| In reply to | #16173 |
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-11 um 14:02: > On 1/11/2016 3:02 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 15:16: >> >>> On 1/6/2016 2:54 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: >>>> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 02:51: >>>> >>>>> On 1/5/2016 7:15 PM, Arno Welzel wrote: >>>>>> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-05 um 20:09: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I bet you're just as full of crap now as always, troll. >>>>>> >>>>>> I just reflect your behaviour here. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ROFLMAO! You've not only proven you have no idea how to deal with a >>>>> high traffic site, you don't even know how to test traffic. >>>>> >>>>> But then that's just fine for someone who's sites get 2 hits/hour. Even >>>>> a TRS-80 would work for your sites. >>>> >>>> I just reflect your behaviour here. >>>> >>>> See? QED >>>> >>>> >>> >>> No, I'm not unmunging your email address or searching out unrelated >>> information about you. Those are YOUR behaviors, troll. >> >> You did it again. >> >> QED >> >> > > Trolls are always blaming other people for their behavior. The proof is > in the newsgroups, Arno. You can't get away from it. And you can't > blame me for your problems. You even don't realize what you do. I am really sorry for you. -- Arno Welzel http://arnowelzel.de http://de-rec-fahrrad.de http://fahrradzukunft.de
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-11 20:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n71lk3$sg0$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #16182 |
On 1/11/2016 5:42 PM, Arno Welzel wrote: > Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-11 um 14:02: >> On 1/11/2016 3:02 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: >>> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 15:16: >>> >>>> On 1/6/2016 2:54 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: >>>>> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 02:51: >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/5/2016 7:15 PM, Arno Welzel wrote: >>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-05 um 20:09: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I bet you're just as full of crap now as always, troll. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just reflect your behaviour here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ROFLMAO! You've not only proven you have no idea how to deal with a >>>>>> high traffic site, you don't even know how to test traffic. >>>>>> >>>>>> But then that's just fine for someone who's sites get 2 hits/hour. Even >>>>>> a TRS-80 would work for your sites. >>>>> >>>>> I just reflect your behaviour here. >>>>> >>>>> See? QED >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> No, I'm not unmunging your email address or searching out unrelated >>>> information about you. Those are YOUR behaviors, troll. >>> >>> You did it again. >>> >>> QED >>> >>> >> >> Trolls are always blaming other people for their behavior. The proof is >> in the newsgroups, Arno. You can't get away from it. And you can't >> blame me for your problems. > > You even don't realize what you do. I am really sorry for you. > > > You're right. I really am sorry for you - and your customers. Trolls are unable to take responsibility for their actions, and try to blame others for their actions. But it doesn't work on usenet. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 14:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n6h47d$t1b$4@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #16089 |
On 1/5/2016 12:00 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: > On 1/4/16 4:41 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 1/4/2016 6:51 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >>>>>> Yes, frameworks. I can code pages as they need to be coded, >>>>>> instead of >>>>>> trying to work around the restrictions of crappy frameworks. >>>>>> >>>>>> And my pages are smaller and load faster also, because I don't >>>>>> have to >>>>>> load tons of unnecessary junk. >>>>> I doubt that. Though I don't doubt they have more bugs and are harder >>>>> to maintain. >>>> >>>> You have no idea. They are easy to maintain and have few bugs because >>>> they don't include all kinds of unnecessary stuff. And since they >>>> don't >>>> include unnecessary stuff, they load more quickly. >>>> >>>> Try coding for a site which gets up to 1K page views per second, for >>>> instance. You aren't going to get that with Symfony2 or any other >>>> framework. >>> Funny, that's exactly the type of thing I work on. Symfyon2 does just >>> fine, because we know how to code using it. >>> >>> >> >> Let's see you do > 1K pages/second with real pages (not 1K hits with >> echo "Hello World") reliably. > The company I work for is in the top 10 on this page: > https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Market-Rankings/comScore-Ranks-the-Top-50-US-Digital-Media-Properties-for-May-2015 > > > I'm refraining from mentioning it due to company policy. I don't want > to give the impression that my personal opinions here in any way reflect > the opinions of my employer. > > That's fine. However, it says nothing about your ability to code a site that handles 1K page views per second. Here's a hint: You are NOT going to do it with Symfony2 or any other framework. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 09:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <k8cjy.64825$IX3.41015@fx36.iad> |
| In reply to | #16096 |
On 1/5/16 11:09 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > That's fine. However, it says nothing about your ability to code a site > that handles 1K page views per second. > > Here's a hint: You are NOT going to do it with Symfony2 or any other > framework. > Here's a fact: I can and I have.
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 15:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n6jt20$ac1$2@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #16112 |
On 1/6/2016 12:27 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: > On 1/5/16 11:09 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> That's fine. However, it says nothing about your ability to code a site >> that handles 1K page views per second. >> >> Here's a hint: You are NOT going to do it with Symfony2 or any other >> framework. >> > Here's a fact: I can and I have. 1K page views per second? Not possible with Symfony2 on a single server. Way too much overhead in the frameworks. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 13:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4Ffjy.122022$tL.68002@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #16116 |
On 1/6/16 12:25 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 1/6/2016 12:27 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >> On 1/5/16 11:09 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> That's fine. However, it says nothing about your ability to code a site >>> that handles 1K page views per second. >>> >>> Here's a hint: You are NOT going to do it with Symfony2 or any other >>> framework. >>> >> Here's a fact: I can and I have. > > 1K page views per second? Not possible with Symfony2 on a single > server. Way too much overhead in the frameworks. > Shows how much you know.
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 16:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n6k10d$s0e$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #16120 |
On 1/6/2016 4:27 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: > On 1/6/16 12:25 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 1/6/2016 12:27 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >>> On 1/5/16 11:09 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>> That's fine. However, it says nothing about your ability to code a >>>> site >>>> that handles 1K page views per second. >>>> >>>> Here's a hint: You are NOT going to do it with Symfony2 or any other >>>> framework. >>>> >>> Here's a fact: I can and I have. >> >> 1K page views per second? Not possible with Symfony2 on a single >> server. Way too much overhead in the frameworks. >> > Shows how much you know. Not at all. There are very few sites with that kind of traffic, even at peak. And you've worked on none of them. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2016-01-11 09:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <569361BB.9040500@arnowelzel.de> |
| In reply to | #16121 |
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 22:32: > On 1/6/2016 4:27 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >> On 1/6/16 12:25 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> On 1/6/2016 12:27 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >>>> On 1/5/16 11:09 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>> That's fine. However, it says nothing about your ability to code a >>>>> site >>>>> that handles 1K page views per second. >>>>> >>>>> Here's a hint: You are NOT going to do it with Symfony2 or any other >>>>> framework. >>>>> >>>> Here's a fact: I can and I have. >>> >>> 1K page views per second? Not possible with Symfony2 on a single >>> server. Way too much overhead in the frameworks. >>> >> Shows how much you know. > > Not at all. > > There are very few sites with that kind of traffic, even at peak. And > you've worked on none of them. Neither did you. -- Arno Welzel http://arnowelzel.de http://de-rec-fahrrad.de http://fahrradzukunft.de
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-11 08:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n7091n$cp0$2@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #16169 |
On 1/11/2016 3:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: > Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 22:32: > >> On 1/6/2016 4:27 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >>> On 1/6/16 12:25 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>> On 1/6/2016 12:27 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >>>>> On 1/5/16 11:09 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>>> That's fine. However, it says nothing about your ability to code a >>>>>> site >>>>>> that handles 1K page views per second. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's a hint: You are NOT going to do it with Symfony2 or any other >>>>>> framework. >>>>>> >>>>> Here's a fact: I can and I have. >>>> >>>> 1K page views per second? Not possible with Symfony2 on a single >>>> server. Way too much overhead in the frameworks. >>>> >>> Shows how much you know. >> >> Not at all. >> >> There are very few sites with that kind of traffic, even at peak. And >> you've worked on none of them. > > Neither did you. > > You would have no idea how to even start with such a project - as you have already proven, Arno. But trolls always think everyone is as incompetent as they are. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2016-01-11 23:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <56943086.9020502@arnowelzel.de> |
| In reply to | #16174 |
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-11 um 14:03: > On 1/11/2016 3:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 22:32: >> >>> On 1/6/2016 4:27 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >>>> On 1/6/16 12:25 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>> On 1/6/2016 12:27 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >>>>>> On 1/5/16 11:09 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>>>> That's fine. However, it says nothing about your ability to code a >>>>>>> site >>>>>>> that handles 1K page views per second. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's a hint: You are NOT going to do it with Symfony2 or any other >>>>>>> framework. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Here's a fact: I can and I have. >>>>> >>>>> 1K page views per second? Not possible with Symfony2 on a single >>>>> server. Way too much overhead in the frameworks. >>>>> >>>> Shows how much you know. >>> >>> Not at all. >>> >>> There are very few sites with that kind of traffic, even at peak. And >>> you've worked on none of them. >> >> Neither did you. >> >> > > You would have no idea how to even start with such a project - as you > have already proven, Arno. But trolls always think everyone is as > incompetent as they are. And you have no idea how the world really is so you need the usenet to pretend to be someone important. I am really sorry for you. -- Arno Welzel http://arnowelzel.de http://de-rec-fahrrad.de http://fahrradzukunft.de
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-11 20:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n71lrt$tba$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #16183 |
On 1/11/2016 5:45 PM, Arno Welzel wrote: > Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-11 um 14:03: > >> On 1/11/2016 3:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: >>> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 22:32: >>> >>>> On 1/6/2016 4:27 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >>>>> On 1/6/16 12:25 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>>> On 1/6/2016 12:27 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >>>>>>> On 1/5/16 11:09 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>>>>> That's fine. However, it says nothing about your ability to code a >>>>>>>> site >>>>>>>> that handles 1K page views per second. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's a hint: You are NOT going to do it with Symfony2 or any other >>>>>>>> framework. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's a fact: I can and I have. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1K page views per second? Not possible with Symfony2 on a single >>>>>> server. Way too much overhead in the frameworks. >>>>>> >>>>> Shows how much you know. >>>> >>>> Not at all. >>>> >>>> There are very few sites with that kind of traffic, even at peak. And >>>> you've worked on none of them. >>> >>> Neither did you. >>> >>> >> >> You would have no idea how to even start with such a project - as you >> have already proven, Arno. But trolls always think everyone is as >> incompetent as they are. > > > And you have no idea how the world really is so you need the usenet to > pretend to be someone important. I am really sorry for you. > > ROFLMAO! Someone who things Apache's ab test from a single client emulates on a 100Mb LAN compares to thousands of users on a multi-gb lan connection? YOU'RE the one to talk! But then trolls think they know everything - and have show how stoopid they are to "prove" it. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2016-01-12 05:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5694824A.7050504@arnowelzel.de> |
| In reply to | #16190 |
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-12 um 02:48: > On 1/11/2016 5:45 PM, Arno Welzel wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-11 um 14:03: >> >>> On 1/11/2016 3:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: >>>> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2016-01-06 um 22:32: >>>> >>>>> On 1/6/2016 4:27 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >>>>>> On 1/6/16 12:25 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>>>> On 1/6/2016 12:27 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >>>>>>>> On 1/5/16 11:09 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>>>>>> That's fine. However, it says nothing about your ability to code a >>>>>>>>> site >>>>>>>>> that handles 1K page views per second. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's a hint: You are NOT going to do it with Symfony2 or any other >>>>>>>>> framework. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's a fact: I can and I have. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1K page views per second? Not possible with Symfony2 on a single >>>>>>> server. Way too much overhead in the frameworks. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Shows how much you know. >>>>> >>>>> Not at all. >>>>> >>>>> There are very few sites with that kind of traffic, even at peak. And >>>>> you've worked on none of them. >>>> >>>> Neither did you. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> You would have no idea how to even start with such a project - as you >>> have already proven, Arno. But trolls always think everyone is as >>> incompetent as they are. >> >> >> And you have no idea how the world really is so you need the usenet to >> pretend to be someone important. I am really sorry for you. >> >> > > ROFLMAO! Someone who things Apache's ab test from a single client > emulates on a 100Mb LAN compares to thousands of users on a multi-gb lan > connection? YOU'RE the one to talk! Oh my... I did NOT use ab on a LAN connection but on the SAME machine as the Apache setup itself - no network at all was involved. I did NOT claim to emulate "thousands of users" but do demonstrate the difference between a simple PHP script without and with a database connection. But feel free to show how it's done the "right" way. > But then trolls think they know everything - and have show how stoopid > they are to "prove" it. Look at a mirror... -- Arno Welzel http://arnowelzel.de http://de-rec-fahrrad.de http://fahrradzukunft.de
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