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PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program

Started byJames Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com>
First post2015-12-19 10:03 +0000
Last post2016-01-12 05:34 +0100
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  PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 10:03 +0000
    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-19 08:20 -0500
      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 10:16 +0000
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-20 09:31 -0500
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 17:11 +0000
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-20 16:42 -0500
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-25 15:56 +0000
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-25 11:23 -0500
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 10:09 +0000
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-26 09:33 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 22:54 +0000
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-20 18:40 -0500
    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 10:38 +0100
      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 08:41 -0500
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 15:30 +0100
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 11:04 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 23:24 +0100
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:16 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 00:33 +0100
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:19 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 10:27 +0100
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-22 11:18 +0100
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 06:34 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-22 16:00 +0100
                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 10:56 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 15:56 +0100
                  OT: pre-PHP day (was: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program) Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 16:57 +0100
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 11:03 -0500
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-22 18:02 +0100
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 14:47 +0100
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 11:04 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 18:22 +0100
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 12:33 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 18:46 +0100
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2015-12-21 17:25 +0100
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 23:17 +0100
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:23 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-28 15:26 +0100
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 10:02 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-28 18:14 +0100
                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 12:29 -0500
                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-28 18:54 +0100
                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 14:15 -0500
                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-28 21:18 +0100
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 15:49 -0500
                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-12-28 20:31 -0500
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 20:48 -0500
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 11:26 +0100
                                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 12:33 -0500
                                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 18:57 +0100
                                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:14 -0500
                                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-30 19:05 +0100
                                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:18 -0500
                                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-12-30 21:55 -0500
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-30 22:14 -0500
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 22:43 -0500
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 22:46 -0500
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 22:42 -0500
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 09:07 +0100
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 07:47 -0500
                                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 16:11 +0100
                                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 10:47 -0500
                                                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 17:43 +0100
                                                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 13:49 -0500
                                                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 20:35 +0100
                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 11:18 +0100
                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 12:36 -0500
                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 19:09 +0100
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2015-12-30 20:28 +0100
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:21 -0500
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 09:09 +0100
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:21 -0500
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 09:16 +0100
                                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 07:53 -0500
                                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 16:03 +0100
                                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 10:49 -0500
                                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-31 17:16 +0100
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 13:54 -0500
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-31 20:41 +0100
                                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 14:47 -0500
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 20:56 +0100
                                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 15:21 -0500
                                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 17:52 +0100
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 13:51 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-28 19:35 +0100
                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 14:17 -0500
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 00:20 +0100
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:27 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 10:12 +0100
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 06:36 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 13:57 +0100
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 11:05 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 17:22 +0100
                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 12:01 -0500
                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 18:25 +0100
                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 12:34 -0500
    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2015-12-21 14:53 -0800
      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:30 -0500
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-21 21:40 -0500
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-21 21:47 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 21:55 -0500
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-21 21:57 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 22:01 -0500
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 21:54 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2015-12-22 11:54 -0800
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 15:42 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-02 11:08 -0800
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-02 15:12 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-04 10:41 -0800
                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 14:39 -0500
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2015-12-22 11:49 -0800
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 15:44 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-02 11:09 -0800
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-02 15:14 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-04 10:42 -0800
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 14:41 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-04 22:54 +0100
                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 19:40 -0500
                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 04:19 +0100
                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 22:29 -0500
                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2016-01-05 02:02 -0500
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 09:08 -0500
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 18:55 +0100
                                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:06 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-04 15:51 -0800
                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 19:41 -0500
                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 04:27 +0100
                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 22:31 -0500
                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 04:48 +0100
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 22:52 -0500
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 09:16 +0100
                                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 09:08 -0500
                                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 18:59 +0100
                                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:07 -0500
                                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 01:13 +0100
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 20:52 -0500
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 08:53 +0100
                                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 09:15 -0500
                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-05 09:00 -0800
                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 19:01 +0100
                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:09 -0500
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 01:15 +0100
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 20:51 -0500
                                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 08:54 +0100
                                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 09:16 -0500
                                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 09:02 +0100
                                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 08:02 -0500
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 23:42 +0100
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 20:44 -0500
                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:09 -0500
                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-06 09:27 -0800
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 15:25 -0500
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-06 13:27 -0800
                                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 16:32 -0500
                                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 09:03 +0100
                                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 08:03 -0500
                                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 23:45 +0100
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 20:48 -0500
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-12 05:34 +0100

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#16043

FromArno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Date2015-12-31 20:56 +0100
Message-ID<5685887E.8000604@arnowelzel.de>
In reply to#16039
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-31 um 19:54:
> On 12/31/2015 11:16 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>> Am 2015-12-31 um 16:49 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>> On 12/31/2015 10:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>
>>>> Why do you think this machine is outside of a data center? And what
>>>> gives you the impression, that no one cares about my sites?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Because you said it was your own machine.  And we all know you're too
>>> stoopid to try to administrate a machine locally, much less remotely.
>>
>> But, but... his sites are clearly running on a server housed by Strato AG.
>>
>>
> 
> Wrong answer.  The site he referenced is owned by Strato AG.  However,
> they are an ISP as well as a web hosting company.  All that proves is
> the access to his server goes through Strato AG.  It says nothing about
> the location of his server - it could easily be in his basement.

It isn't. But you can go ahead and ask Strato yourself. But I doubt you
dare to do so ;-)


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#16044

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-31 15:21 -0500
Message-ID<n642jk$dc9$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#16043
On 12/31/2015 2:56 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-31 um 19:54:
>> On 12/31/2015 11:16 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>> Am 2015-12-31 um 16:49 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> On 12/31/2015 10:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Why do you think this machine is outside of a data center? And what
>>>>> gives you the impression, that no one cares about my sites?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Because you said it was your own machine.  And we all know you're too
>>>> stoopid to try to administrate a machine locally, much less remotely.
>>>
>>> But, but... his sites are clearly running on a server housed by Strato AG.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Wrong answer.  The site he referenced is owned by Strato AG.  However,
>> they are an ISP as well as a web hosting company.  All that proves is
>> the access to his server goes through Strato AG.  It says nothing about
>> the location of his server - it could easily be in his basement.
> 
> It isn't. But you can go ahead and ask Strato yourself. But I doubt you
> dare to do so ;-)
> 
> 

Why should I bother?  A troll's website isn't worth it.  And all the
"dares" in the world aren't going to make a difference.

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#16036

FromArno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Date2015-12-31 17:52 +0100
Message-ID<56855D31.7000703@arnowelzel.de>
In reply to#16033
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-31 um 16:49:

> On 12/31/2015 10:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-31 um 13:53:
[...]
>>> Oh, and BTW - hits (which is what you claim to be displaying) is NOT the
>>> same as page views.  But you're too stoopid to even know that.  Even
>>> more proof your "statistics" are crap.
>>
>> I did not say anything about "page views".
>>
> 
> I was talking page views.  But you don't know the difference.

I know the difference and I never claimed to have 2-3 page views per
second! I was just showing an example for an average server running
several websites with about 2-3 requests - and not page views(!) - per
second quite fine with - in your words "crappy" - index.php as the
central controller.


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#16038

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-31 13:51 -0500
Message-ID<n63ta1$p7i$2@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#16036
On 12/31/2015 11:52 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-31 um 16:49:
> 
>> On 12/31/2015 10:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-31 um 13:53:
> [...]
>>>> Oh, and BTW - hits (which is what you claim to be displaying) is NOT the
>>>> same as page views.  But you're too stoopid to even know that.  Even
>>>> more proof your "statistics" are crap.
>>>
>>> I did not say anything about "page views".
>>>
>>
>> I was talking page views.  But you don't know the difference.
> 
> I know the difference and I never claimed to have 2-3 page views per
> second! I was just showing an example for an average server running
> several websites with about 2-3 requests - and not page views(!) - per
> second quite fine with - in your words "crappy" - index.php as the
> central controller.
> 
> 

2-3 hits per second is nothing.  You probably get most of that from your
own requests to your site(s).

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#16001

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2015-12-28 19:35 +0100
Message-ID<725668548.NVxWakbyBR@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#15997
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> On 12/28/2015 9:26 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 12/21/2015 5:17 PM, Thomas 'Pointed Head' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>>>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>>>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
>>>> JFTR: Strawman.  I had _not_ said that *everything* should be triggered
>>>> from index.php.
>>> ROFLMAO!  You said *exactly* that!  And now you try to deny it.
>> ,-<news:2838299.zdqeYZrqYU@PointedEars.de>
>> | > Use of ob_start before the code generates 'normal' output so that the
>> | > program can present custom error information if something goes wrong.
>> | 
>> | Again, that is something better enabled for the whole site (in
>> | index.php, which should trigger almost everything else)
>>                        ^^^^^^
> 
> Which is only a minor difference.  You run virtually everything through
> index.php - something that's crappy programming except when

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts>

> most of your code is stored in a database as in a CMS.

You still have no clue what you are talking about.

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#16003

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-28 14:17 -0500
Message-ID<n5s1na$fj9$2@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#16001
On 12/28/2015 1:35 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> 
>> On 12/28/2015 9:26 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 12/21/2015 5:17 PM, Thomas 'Pointed Head' Lahn wrote:
>>>>> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>>>>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>>>>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
>>>>> JFTR: Strawman.  I had _not_ said that *everything* should be triggered
>>>>> from index.php.
>>>> ROFLMAO!  You said *exactly* that!  And now you try to deny it.
>>> ,-<news:2838299.zdqeYZrqYU@PointedEars.de>
>>> | > Use of ob_start before the code generates 'normal' output so that the
>>> | > program can present custom error information if something goes wrong.
>>> | 
>>> | Again, that is something better enabled for the whole site (in
>>> | index.php, which should trigger almost everything else)
>>>                        ^^^^^^
>>
>> Which is only a minor difference.  You run virtually everything through
>> index.php - something that's crappy programming except when
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts>
> 

Yes, why do you keep doing so?

>> most of your code is stored in a database as in a CMS.
> 
> You still have no clue what you are talking about.
> 

You obviously have never worked with a CMS.  But that's not surprising -
we know you're only a troll who is unable to do anything more than
copy/paste other people's code. Famous on multiple newsgroups.

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#15941

FromGregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com>
Date2015-12-22 00:20 +0100
Message-ID<n5a1av$6qs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15934
Am 2015-12-21 um 14:41 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:

> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
> Programmers developing a site from scratch know there are better ways of
> doing things.

Like? My index.php loads a brief bootstrap script which primarily sets
up the autoloaders and then it's off to the router. I'm pretty sure that
this is a rather widespread and practical approach with hardly any
drawbacks to it.

> I've found limited need for namespaces in PHP.

That coming from you isn't unexpected.

Gregor

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#15946

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-21 19:27 -0500
Message-ID<n5a591$lo9$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15941
On 12/21/2015 6:20 PM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
> Am 2015-12-21 um 14:41 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
> 
>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
>> Programmers developing a site from scratch know there are better ways of
>> doing things.
> 
> Like? My index.php loads a brief bootstrap script which primarily sets
> up the autoloaders and then it's off to the router. I'm pretty sure that
> this is a rather widespread and practical approach with hardly any
> drawbacks to it.
>

Of course - that's expected from numb nuts.

>> I've found limited need for namespaces in PHP.
> 
> That coming from you isn't unexpected.
> 
> Gregor
> 

Yup, because I know how to do thing the right way.  Unlike guys like
you.  Your website says tons about your (lack of) ability. It would
embarrass even Pointed Heads.

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#15954

FromGregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com>
Date2015-12-22 10:12 +0100
Message-ID<n5b41g$390$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15946
Am 2015-12-22 um 01:27 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
> On 12/21/2015 6:20 PM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>> Am 2015-12-21 um 14:41 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>
>>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
>>> Programmers developing a site from scratch know there are better ways of
>>> doing things.
>>
>> Like? My index.php loads a brief bootstrap script which primarily sets
>> up the autoloaders and then it's off to the router. I'm pretty sure that
>> this is a rather widespread and practical approach with hardly any
>> drawbacks to it.
>>
>
> Of course - that's expected from numb nuts.

Come on, Jerry. Enlighten us mere idiots how it is done correctly. Make 
up for permanent (empty) promises.

>>> I've found limited need for namespaces in PHP.
>>
>> That coming from you isn't unexpected.
>>
>> Gregor
>>
>
> Yup, because I know how to do thing the right way.  Unlike guys like
> you.  Your website says tons about your (lack of) ability. It would
> embarrass even Pointed Heads.

ROFL. Jerry, the Angry Old (White) Man. Hilarious nonetheless. Makes me 
wonder which website you are referring to. The one that weighs in with 
1.6kB without a single (sub-page) link?

Cheers, Gregor

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#15958

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-22 06:36 -0500
Message-ID<n5bcf8$vp1$2@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15954
On 12/22/2015 4:12 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
> Am 2015-12-22 um 01:27 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>> On 12/21/2015 6:20 PM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>> Am 2015-12-21 um 14:41 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>
>>>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
>>>> Programmers developing a site from scratch know there are better
>>>> ways of
>>>> doing things.
>>>
>>> Like? My index.php loads a brief bootstrap script which primarily sets
>>> up the autoloaders and then it's off to the router. I'm pretty sure that
>>> this is a rather widespread and practical approach with hardly any
>>> drawbacks to it.
>>>
>>
>> Of course - that's expected from numb nuts.
> 
> Come on, Jerry. Enlighten us mere idiots how it is done correctly. Make
> up for permanent (empty) promises.
>

I did - but you obviously are unable to read English.

>>>> I've found limited need for namespaces in PHP.
>>>
>>> That coming from you isn't unexpected.
>>>
>>> Gregor
>>>
>>
>> Yup, because I know how to do thing the right way.  Unlike guys like
>> you.  Your website says tons about your (lack of) ability. It would
>> embarrass even Pointed Heads.
> 
> ROFL. Jerry, the Angry Old (White) Man. Hilarious nonetheless. Makes me
> wonder which website you are referring to. The one that weighs in with
> 1.6kB without a single (sub-page) link?
> 
> Cheers, Gregor
> 

Not angry at all, Gregor.  But now you've shown your true colors -
nothing more than a racist.

And I'm talking about YOUR website.  An embarrassment even to Pointed Head.

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#15959

FromGregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com>
Date2015-12-22 13:57 +0100
Message-ID<n5bh62$gub$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15958
Am 2015-12-22 um 12:36 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
> On 12/22/2015 4:12 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>> Am 2015-12-22 um 01:27 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>> On 12/21/2015 6:20 PM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>>> Am 2015-12-21 um 14:41 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>>
>>>>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
>>>>> Programmers developing a site from scratch know there are better
>>>>> ways of
>>>>> doing things.
>>>>
>>>> Like? My index.php loads a brief bootstrap script which primarily sets
>>>> up the autoloaders and then it's off to the router. I'm pretty sure that
>>>> this is a rather widespread and practical approach with hardly any
>>>> drawbacks to it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Of course - that's expected from numb nuts.
>>
>> Come on, Jerry. Enlighten us mere idiots how it is done correctly. Make
>> up for permanent (empty) promises.
>>
> 
> I did - but you obviously are unable to read English.

Perhaps you shouldn't hide your wisdom under heaps of ramblings.

>>>>> I've found limited need for namespaces in PHP.
>>>>
>>>> That coming from you isn't unexpected.
>>>>
>>>> Gregor
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yup, because I know how to do thing the right way.  Unlike guys like
>>> you.  Your website says tons about your (lack of) ability. It would
>>> embarrass even Pointed Heads.
>>
>> ROFL. Jerry, the Angry Old (White) Man. Hilarious nonetheless. Makes me
>> wonder which website you are referring to. The one that weighs in with
>> 1.6kB without a single (sub-page) link?
>>
>> Cheers, Gregor
>>
> 
> Not angry at all, Gregor.  But now you've shown your true colors -
> nothing more than a racist.

Because I named you an "Angry Old (White) Man"? You got that wrong.
Seriously.

(1) You are obviously male.
(2) You must be relatively old; even a genius like you wouldn't have
started programming before adolescence - particularly in the sixties of
the last century. I'd estimate 65+.
(3) You *must* be angry. Or why are you so mean to illiterate folk like
me? We are hardly worth the effort.
(4) The "white" is debatable, agreed. Though "Stuckle" doesn't sound too
Afro-American to me.

> 
> And I'm talking about YOUR website.  An embarrassment even to Pointed Head.

Still don't know, which one that is. This one?
http://gregorkofler.com/
Anyway, I updated it to inform any rare potential customer.


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#15967

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-22 11:05 -0500
Message-ID<n5bs6o$qll$3@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15959
On 12/22/2015 7:57 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
> Am 2015-12-22 um 12:36 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>> On 12/22/2015 4:12 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>> Am 2015-12-22 um 01:27 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> On 12/21/2015 6:20 PM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>>>> Am 2015-12-21 um 14:41 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
>>>>>> Programmers developing a site from scratch know there are better
>>>>>> ways of
>>>>>> doing things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like? My index.php loads a brief bootstrap script which primarily sets
>>>>> up the autoloaders and then it's off to the router. I'm pretty sure that
>>>>> this is a rather widespread and practical approach with hardly any
>>>>> drawbacks to it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course - that's expected from numb nuts.
>>>
>>> Come on, Jerry. Enlighten us mere idiots how it is done correctly. Make
>>> up for permanent (empty) promises.
>>>
>>
>> I did - but you obviously are unable to read English.
> 
> Perhaps you shouldn't hide your wisdom under heaps of ramblings.
>

Perhaps you should learn to read.

>>>>>> I've found limited need for namespaces in PHP.
>>>>>
>>>>> That coming from you isn't unexpected.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gregor
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yup, because I know how to do thing the right way.  Unlike guys like
>>>> you.  Your website says tons about your (lack of) ability. It would
>>>> embarrass even Pointed Heads.
>>>
>>> ROFL. Jerry, the Angry Old (White) Man. Hilarious nonetheless. Makes me
>>> wonder which website you are referring to. The one that weighs in with
>>> 1.6kB without a single (sub-page) link?
>>>
>>> Cheers, Gregor
>>>
>>
>> Not angry at all, Gregor.  But now you've shown your true colors -
>> nothing more than a racist.
> 
> Because I named you an "Angry Old (White) Man"? You got that wrong.
> Seriously.
> 
> (1) You are obviously male.
> (2) You must be relatively old; even a genius like you wouldn't have
> started programming before adolescence - particularly in the sixties of
> the last century. I'd estimate 65+.
> (3) You *must* be angry. Or why are you so mean to illiterate folk like
> me? We are hardly worth the effort.
> (4) The "white" is debatable, agreed. Though "Stuckle" doesn't sound too
> Afro-American to me.
> 
>>
>> And I'm talking about YOUR website.  An embarrassment even to Pointed Head.
> 
> Still don't know, which one that is. This one?
> http://gregorkofler.com/
> Anyway, I updated it to inform any rare potential customer.
> 
> 
> 

"Rare potential customer" is right!  How about "No customer"?

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#15968

FromGregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com>
Date2015-12-22 17:22 +0100
Message-ID<n5bt6t$v6q$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15967
Am 2015-12-22 um 17:05 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
> On 12/22/2015 7:57 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>> Anyway, I updated it to inform any rare potential customer.
> 
> "Rare potential customer" is right!  How about "No customer"?

I knew you'd like it.

As always I'm sorry to disappoint: My numerous customers (including the
odd big brand name) hardly need my webpage to get in touch with me
(obviously you don't need one either).

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#15969

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-22 12:01 -0500
Message-ID<n5bvgb$8g7$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15968
On 12/22/2015 11:22 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
> Am 2015-12-22 um 17:05 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>> On 12/22/2015 7:57 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>> Anyway, I updated it to inform any rare potential customer.
>>
>> "Rare potential customer" is right!  How about "No customer"?
> 
> I knew you'd like it.
> 
> As always I'm sorry to disappoint: My numerous customers (including the
> odd big brand name) hardly need my webpage to get in touch with me
> (obviously you don't need one either).
> 

Nope, I don't.  In fact, I have more work than I care for any more.  I'd
rather be sitting on the beach enjoying some sun.

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#15972

FromArno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Date2015-12-22 18:25 +0100
Message-ID<5679879E.6060400@arnowelzel.de>
In reply to#15969
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-22 um 18:01:

> On 12/22/2015 11:22 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>> Am 2015-12-22 um 17:05 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>> On 12/22/2015 7:57 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>>> Anyway, I updated it to inform any rare potential customer.
>>>
>>> "Rare potential customer" is right!  How about "No customer"?
>>
>> I knew you'd like it.
>>
>> As always I'm sorry to disappoint: My numerous customers (including the
>> odd big brand name) hardly need my webpage to get in touch with me
>> (obviously you don't need one either).
>>
> 
> Nope, I don't.  In fact, I have more work than I care for any more.  I'd
> rather be sitting on the beach enjoying some sun.

At least you have enough time to spend here.


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#15974

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-22 12:34 -0500
Message-ID<n5c1dl$g83$2@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15972
On 12/22/2015 12:25 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-22 um 18:01:
> 
>> On 12/22/2015 11:22 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>> Am 2015-12-22 um 17:05 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> On 12/22/2015 7:57 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>>>> Anyway, I updated it to inform any rare potential customer.
>>>>
>>>> "Rare potential customer" is right!  How about "No customer"?
>>>
>>> I knew you'd like it.
>>>
>>> As always I'm sorry to disappoint: My numerous customers (including the
>>> odd big brand name) hardly need my webpage to get in touch with me
>>> (obviously you don't need one either).
>>>
>>
>> Nope, I don't.  In fact, I have more work than I care for any more.  I'd
>> rather be sitting on the beach enjoying some sun.
> 
> At least you have enough time to spend here.
> 
> 

Yea, but I enjoy helping other people.  It's the trolls like you who
ruin usenet.


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#15940

FromDaniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net>
Date2015-12-21 14:53 -0800
Message-ID<Rp%dy.41125$Hz3.25057@fx43.iad>
In reply to#15925
On 12/19/15 2:03 AM, James Harris wrote:
> In the interests of getting a consistent approach to developing PHP
> programs do you guys have any guidelines you follow and/or boilerplate
> you include when writing a new piece of PHP? For HTML output I mean
> things like the following.
>
> At the top of the code: setup such as error_reporting, ini_set etc and
> constant definitions.
>
> Use of ob_start before the code generates 'normal' output so that the
> program can present custom error information if something goes wrong.
>
> A fail() function which will ob_end_clean and then render a suitable
> failure HTML page.
>
> Some sort of debugging functions which will work with output buffer
> capture to generate sensible debug output.
>
> Is there anything else that should be present at the top of a piece of
> code?
>
> Given the fact that some of the above may vary between environments such
> as test and production is it feasible to pull in something like the
> above with
>
>    require_once("preamble_code.php");
>
> I have code such as the above at the moment but for various reasons it
> is not completely satisfactory. I wondered if people who were more
> familiar with PHP had come up with a better approach.
>
> If some of the above can be parameterised might it even be possible to
> come up with a universal module that can be pulled in with require_once
> (and then the functions within it called with certain parameters)?
>
> James


99.9% of my php files look something like the following.  If I use 
require/include, it is a very specialized thing I'm doing.  Probably the 
bootstrap or front-controller.

<?php
namespace ...;

use ...;
use ...;

/**
  * ...
  */
class ...
{
}

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#15947

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-21 19:30 -0500
Message-ID<n5a5dv$lo9$2@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15940
On 12/21/2015 5:53 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:
> On 12/19/15 2:03 AM, James Harris wrote:
>> In the interests of getting a consistent approach to developing PHP
>> programs do you guys have any guidelines you follow and/or boilerplate
>> you include when writing a new piece of PHP? For HTML output I mean
>> things like the following.
>>
>> At the top of the code: setup such as error_reporting, ini_set etc and
>> constant definitions.
>>
>> Use of ob_start before the code generates 'normal' output so that the
>> program can present custom error information if something goes wrong.
>>
>> A fail() function which will ob_end_clean and then render a suitable
>> failure HTML page.
>>
>> Some sort of debugging functions which will work with output buffer
>> capture to generate sensible debug output.
>>
>> Is there anything else that should be present at the top of a piece of
>> code?
>>
>> Given the fact that some of the above may vary between environments such
>> as test and production is it feasible to pull in something like the
>> above with
>>
>>    require_once("preamble_code.php");
>>
>> I have code such as the above at the moment but for various reasons it
>> is not completely satisfactory. I wondered if people who were more
>> familiar with PHP had come up with a better approach.
>>
>> If some of the above can be parameterised might it even be possible to
>> come up with a universal module that can be pulled in with require_once
>> (and then the functions within it called with certain parameters)?
>>
>> James
> 
> 
> 99.9% of my php files look something like the following.  If I use
> require/include, it is a very specialized thing I'm doing.  Probably the
> bootstrap or front-controller.
> 
> <?php
> namespace ...;
> 
> use ...;
> use ...;
> 
> /**
>  * ...
>  */
> class ...
> {
> }

Why do you use namespaces?  They are very useful in languages like C++,
but pretty worthless in PHP.

As I said before, I do use it for my own classes, and things like
userids/passwords, which I store outside of my DOCUMENT_ROOT.

But I have never found a need for namespaces in PHP (unlike C++).

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#15948

FromMatthew Carter <m@ahungry.com>
Date2015-12-21 21:40 -0500
Message-ID<87io3rkxyr.fsf@ahungry.com>
In reply to#15947
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes:

> On 12/21/2015 5:53 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:
>> 99.9% of my php files look something like the following.  If I use
>> require/include, it is a very specialized thing I'm doing.  Probably the
>> bootstrap or front-controller.
>> 
>> <?php
>> namespace ...;
>> 
>> use ...;
>> use ...;
>> 
>> /**
>>  * ...
>>  */
>> class ...
>> {
>> }
>
> Why do you use namespaces?  They are very useful in languages like C++,
> but pretty worthless in PHP.
>
> As I said before, I do use it for my own classes, and things like
> userids/passwords, which I store outside of my DOCUMENT_ROOT.
>
> But I have never found a need for namespaces in PHP (unlike C++).

http://www.php-fig.org/psr/psr-4/

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#15949

FromMatthew Carter <m@ahungry.com>
Date2015-12-21 21:47 -0500
Message-ID<87egefkxn5.fsf@ahungry.com>
In reply to#15948
Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> writes:

> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes:
>
>> On 12/21/2015 5:53 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:
>>> 99.9% of my php files look something like the following.  If I use
>>> require/include, it is a very specialized thing I'm doing.  Probably the
>>> bootstrap or front-controller.
>>> 
>>> <?php
>>> namespace ...;
>>> 
>>> use ...;
>>> use ...;
>>> 
>>> /**
>>>  * ...
>>>  */
>>> class ...
>>> {
>>> }
>>
>> Why do you use namespaces?  They are very useful in languages like C++,
>> but pretty worthless in PHP.
>>
>> As I said before, I do use it for my own classes, and things like
>> userids/passwords, which I store outside of my DOCUMENT_ROOT.
>>
>> But I have never found a need for namespaces in PHP (unlike C++).
>
> http://www.php-fig.org/psr/psr-4/

Obviously the reason for that is:

https://packagist.org/statistics

To tap into the 80k available packages (almost half a million various
versions for whatever your requirements may be on the environment).

Without using namespaces, you can't really contribute or make use of
anything off composer.

-- 
Matthew Carter (m@ahungry.com)
http://ahungry.com

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