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  Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-13 16:51 +0200
    Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-13 11:59 -0400
      Re: Komodo Edit Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-07-13 19:51 +0200
        Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-14 10:12 +0200
          Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 11:47 +0200
            Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-14 12:06 +0200
              Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 12:42 +0200
                Re: Komodo Edit Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-07-14 18:58 +0100
                  Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 21:09 +0200
                    Re: Komodo Edit Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-07-14 20:18 +0100
                      Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 21:58 +0200
                  Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:03 +0200
                    Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-15 12:37 -0400
                      Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-16 03:04 +0200
                        Re: Komodo Edit The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-07-16 09:11 +0100
                          Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-16 07:50 -0400
              Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-14 09:31 -0400
                Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:00 +0200
          Re: Komodo Edit "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2013-07-14 08:20 -0500
            Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:06 +0200
      Re: Komodo Edit Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-07-15 11:04 -0700
        Re: Komodo Edit Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-07-15 15:04 -0700
    Re: Komodo Edit richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-07-13 14:55 -0400
      Re: Komodo Edit Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-07-13 19:42 +0000
      Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-14 09:49 +0200
        Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-14 09:33 -0400
          Re: Komodo Edit richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-07-14 12:51 -0400
            Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-14 13:24 -0400
        Re: Komodo Edit richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-07-14 12:45 -0400
          Re: Komodo Edit Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-07-14 11:12 -0700
            Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 21:05 +0200
              Re: Komodo Edit Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-07-14 13:28 -0700
                Re: Komodo Edit Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-07-14 17:25 -0700
                  Re: Komodo Edit Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-07-14 20:15 -0700
                    Re: Komodo Edit Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-07-14 23:08 -0700
                      Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:50 +0200
                        Re: Komodo Edit Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-07-15 18:04 +0100
                    Re: Komodo Edit Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-07-15 08:24 +0100
            Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:19 +0200
              Re: Komodo Edit The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-07-15 17:08 +0100
              Re: Komodo Edit Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-07-15 10:42 -0700
                Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-15 15:08 -0400
                  Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-16 03:47 +0200
                Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-16 03:09 +0200
          Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:08 +0200

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#10126

On 7/13/13 8:59 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 7/13/2013 10:51 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where loops
>> and conditional where not indented.
>>
>> Mitch
>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>> ---
>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>
>
> Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE.
> Personally, I prefer Eclipse.  It's completely free and has more
> features available.  But then I use it for Java, also.
>
I personally prefer PhpStorm. I was a Java developer before and used 
IntelliJ, the Java IDE from the same people.  Yes, it costs money. Its 
more than worth it, if you learn to utilize the advanced features.

I tried Eclipse long ago, and maybe it has come a long way, but I find 
that it is a few steps behind whatever Jetbrains produces.  It does have 
a larger community behind it however, and that may be worth something. 
Though Jetbrains being a commercial company, they are more likely to 
address any bugs, or they risk losing your business.

One of my colleagues uses vi and zsh, with a highly custom 
configuration.  I like vi, but for any real size project I prefer an IDE 
with good navigation features, code completion, auto-importing, and 
refactoring support.

It all comes down to personal preference and budget.

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#10128

In article <PQWEt.59499$_V5.41083@fx18.iad>,
 Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> wrote:

> On 7/13/13 8:59 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> > On 7/13/2013 10:51 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> >> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
> >> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where loops
> >> and conditional where not indented.
> >>
> >> Mitch
> >> http://www.FontMenu.com
> >> ---
> >> Experience is the best teacher.
> >>
> >
> > Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE.
> > Personally, I prefer Eclipse.  It's completely free and has more
> > features available.  But then I use it for Java, also.
> >
> I personally prefer PhpStorm. I was a Java developer before and used 
> IntelliJ, the Java IDE from the same people.  Yes, it costs money. Its 
> more than worth it, if you learn to utilize the advanced features.
> 
> I tried Eclipse long ago, and maybe it has come a long way, but I find 
> that it is a few steps behind whatever Jetbrains produces.  It does have 
> a larger community behind it however, and that may be worth something. 
> Though Jetbrains being a commercial company, they are more likely to 
> address any bugs, or they risk losing your business.
> 
> One of my colleagues uses vi and zsh, with a highly custom 
> configuration.  I like vi, but for any real size project I prefer an IDE 
> with good navigation features, code completion, auto-importing, and 
> refactoring support.
> 
> It all comes down to personal preference and budget.

A friend started using IntelliJ at a prior job that ended with the 
company being bought out. He ended up buying his own personal copy of 
IntelliJ for his laptop mostly because places where he's be hired or 
contract only would use Eclipse.

The last company hired him to 'fix their build process' which he did. 
Unfortunately the chief tech officer made most of the bad decisions that 
lead to the broken build system and my friend wasn't very politic in 
hiding his displeasure at the lame-brained stupid assed design decisions 
he had to fix.  When they came to him to turn the app into an iPhone 
app, he told them to buy him a Mac.  When he told them that iPhone apps 
can only be developed on MacOS and signed by Xcode, they went away 
grumbling.  They fired him at the end of the day.

Recruiters still call him for 'hot positions' in this company. He tells 
them the horror story and advises them to focus their efforts on making 
money elsewhere.

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#10079

On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:

> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for 
> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where 
> loops and conditional where not indented.
> 
> Mitch
> http://www.FontMenu.com
> ---
> Experience is the best teacher.

I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.

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#10080

richard <noreply@example.com> wrote in news:13n44577heo4i.gqdcq2rfva8k.dlg@
40tude.net:

> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> 
>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for 
>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where 
>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>> 
 
> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
> 

LOL! When have *you* ever run *anything* through a validator??

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#10082

On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:

> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> 
>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>> 
>> Mitch
>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>> ---
>> Experience is the best teacher.
> 
> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.

Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?

Thank you.

Mitch
http://www.FontMenu.com
---
Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
J.J. Rousseau

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#10096

On 7/14/2013 3:49 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>
>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>
>>> Mitch
>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>> ---
>>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>
>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>
> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mitch
> http://www.FontMenu.com
> ---
> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
> J.J. Rousseau
>

Mitch, he's talking about the W3 HTML validator (he doesn't know the 
difference between HTML and PHP).

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JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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#10098

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:33:17 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> On 7/14/2013 3:49 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>>
>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>>
>>>> Mitch
>>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>> ---
>>>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>>
>>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>>
>> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Mitch
>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>> ---
>> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
>> J.J. Rousseau
>>
> 
> Mitch, he's talking about the W3 HTML validator (he doesn't know the 
> difference between HTML and PHP).

That is a damn cheap shot asswipe.
I'm not going to explain the differences.
That's up to the user to find out and learn about.

On my music site, I use a combination of javascript and PHp to create
related pages.
10 lines of code beats writing four hundred lines and having to store
hundreds of seperate files.

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#10099

On 7/14/2013 12:51 PM, richard wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:33:17 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> On 7/14/2013 3:49 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>>>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mitch
>>>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>>>
>>>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>>>
>>> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Mitch
>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>> ---
>>> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
>>> J.J. Rousseau
>>>
>>
>> Mitch, he's talking about the W3 HTML validator (he doesn't know the
>> difference between HTML and PHP).
>
> That is a damn cheap shot asswipe.
> I'm not going to explain the differences.
> That's up to the user to find out and learn about.
>

That's not a cheap shot.  Just the truth.  Or you would understand the 
difference between well-formatted PHP code (which Komodo and Eclipse 
both do) and valid HTML.

And you can't even explain the difference.

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#10097

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:49:34 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:

> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
> 
>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>> 
>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>> 
>>> Mitch
>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>> ---
>>> Experience is the best teacher.
>> 
>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
> 
> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Mitch
> http://www.FontMenu.com
> ---
> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
> J.J. Rousseau

http://validator.w3.org/

This validator checks the html output to make sure the code complys with
the guidelines.
It is a great tool for finding things that are wrong.
If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to
find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how to fix
it.

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#10101

On 7/14/2013 9:45 AM, richard wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:49:34 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>
>> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>>
>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>>
>>>> Mitch
>>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>> ---
>>>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>>
>>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>>
>> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Mitch
>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>> ---
>> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
>> J.J. Rousseau
>
> http://validator.w3.org/
>
> This validator checks the html output to make sure the code complys with
> the guidelines.
> It is a great tool for finding things that are wrong.
> If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to
> find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how to fix
> it.
>

Richard, what you recommend is OK if all you need to do is validate 
HTML, but as Mitch will find out if he has not already, a great deal of 
PHP written may have nothing to do with HTML output in which case the 
HTML validation would be useless.

Mitch is looking for, from what I gather, a tool to help write PHP.
I have personally found a good tool provides, but not limited to the 
following.

* Easy formatting of indented and readable code.
* Tool-tips to speed up reuse of variables and function arguments.
* Color coding or different elements of the code such and function, 
variables and definitions.
* Track back to function definitions.
* Source level error checking.  Example: Find the simple syntax errors 
as you go.

To name a few.

Though none of this is required to write PHP, anything to help spend 
less time writing, testing and debugging the better.

Notepad just does not provide a practical approach when compared to what 
else is available.  I have heard some hold it as a badge of honor that 
they use a simple text editor to write code, but I doubt they still use 
a horse and wagon to get groceries.

Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere.  I have not used the others 
in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out 
as NOT a good tool.

Scotty

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#10102

Scott Johnson wrote:

> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere.  I have not used the others
> in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out
> as NOT a good tool.

I have used that application before, last time in 2007.  IIRC I found it 
rather good at first.

But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and 
Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for PHP 
development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and Python, 
and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could access 
both Access and MySQL databases easily).  Later I found out that Eclipse 
with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific 
port forwarding for remote debugging.

And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the 
office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there, 
too, by contrast to PHPEd.  Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a 
Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and 
installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from 
the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by comparison.


PointedEars
-- 
var bugRiddenCrashPronePieceOfJunk = (
    navigator.userAgent.indexOf('MSIE 5') != -1
    && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Mac') != -1
)  // Plone, register_function.js:16

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#10106

On 7/14/2013 12:05 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Scott Johnson wrote:
>
>> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere.  I have not used the others
>> in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out
>> as NOT a good tool.
>
> I have used that application before, last time in 2007.  IIRC I found it
> rather good at first.
>
> But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and
> Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for PHP
> development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and Python,
> and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could access
> both Access and MySQL databases easily).  Later I found out that Eclipse
> with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific
> port forwarding for remote debugging.
>
> And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the
> office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there,
> too, by contrast to PHPEd.  Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a
> Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and
> installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from
> the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by comparison.
>
>
> PointedEars
>

Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac 
without a special, for lack of better words, driver.

I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger.  Might be 
something worth looking at.

Scotty

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#10112

In article <krv19m$aen$1@dont-email.me>,
 Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> wrote:

> On 7/14/2013 12:05 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > Scott Johnson wrote:
> >
> >> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere.  I have not used the others
> >> in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out
> >> as NOT a good tool.
> >
> > I have used that application before, last time in 2007.  IIRC I found it
> > rather good at first.
> >
> > But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and
> > Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for PHP
> > development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and Python,
> > and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could access
> > both Access and MySQL databases easily).  Later I found out that Eclipse
> > with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific
> > port forwarding for remote debugging.
> >
> > And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the
> > office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there,
> > too, by contrast to PHPEd.  Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a
> > Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and
> > installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from
> > the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by comparison.
> >
> >
> > PointedEars
> >
> 
> Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac 
> without a special, for lack of better words, driver.
> 
> I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger.  Might be 
> something worth looking at.
> 
> Scotty

What sort of "driver" are you referring to?  Just turning on mod_php in 
Apache?  Or installing MySQL from the mysql web site?  The process of 
doing that hasn't changed much since 10.4 and is documented in various 
sites on the web.

I think you should find someone who knows MacOS who can help you 
directly.

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#10113

On 7/14/2013 5:25 PM, Michael Vilain wrote:
> In article <krv19m$aen$1@dont-email.me>,
>   Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/14/2013 12:05 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere.  I have not used the others
>>>> in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out
>>>> as NOT a good tool.
>>>
>>> I have used that application before, last time in 2007.  IIRC I found it
>>> rather good at first.
>>>
>>> But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and
>>> Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for PHP
>>> development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and Python,
>>> and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could access
>>> both Access and MySQL databases easily).  Later I found out that Eclipse
>>> with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific
>>> port forwarding for remote debugging.
>>>
>>> And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the
>>> office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there,
>>> too, by contrast to PHPEd.  Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a
>>> Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and
>>> installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from
>>> the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by comparison.
>>>
>>>
>>> PointedEars
>>>
>>
>> Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac
>> without a special, for lack of better words, driver.
>>
>> I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger.  Might be
>> something worth looking at.
>>
>> Scotty
>
> What sort of "driver" are you referring to?  Just turning on mod_php in
> Apache?  Or installing MySQL from the mysql web site?  The process of
> doing that hasn't changed much since 10.4 and is documented in various
> sites on the web.
>
> I think you should find someone who knows MacOS who can help you
> directly.
>

It is not the PHP in apache that I was having issues with MAC, it is the 
phped IDE program from nusphere.

It was probably confusing when I mentioned 'driver'.  I guess it is 
called WINE that is needed.

But thanks anyhow.

Scotty

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#10114

In article <krvp5h$h8j$1@dont-email.me>,
 Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> wrote:

> On 7/14/2013 5:25 PM, Michael Vilain wrote:
> > In article <krv19m$aen$1@dont-email.me>,
> >   Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/14/2013 12:05 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >>> Scott Johnson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere.  I have not used the others
> >>>> in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out
> >>>> as NOT a good tool.
> >>>
> >>> I have used that application before, last time in 2007.  IIRC I found it
> >>> rather good at first.
> >>>
> >>> But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and
> >>> Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for 
> >>> PHP
> >>> development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and 
> >>> Python,
> >>> and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could 
> >>> access
> >>> both Access and MySQL databases easily).  Later I found out that Eclipse
> >>> with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific
> >>> port forwarding for remote debugging.
> >>>
> >>> And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the
> >>> office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there,
> >>> too, by contrast to PHPEd.  Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a
> >>> Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and
> >>> installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from
> >>> the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by 
> >>> comparison.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> PointedEars
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac
> >> without a special, for lack of better words, driver.
> >>
> >> I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger.  Might be
> >> something worth looking at.
> >>
> >> Scotty
> >
> > What sort of "driver" are you referring to?  Just turning on mod_php in
> > Apache?  Or installing MySQL from the mysql web site?  The process of
> > doing that hasn't changed much since 10.4 and is documented in various
> > sites on the web.
> >
> > I think you should find someone who knows MacOS who can help you
> > directly.
> >
> 
> It is not the PHP in apache that I was having issues with MAC, it is the 
> phped IDE program from nusphere.
> 
> It was probably confusing when I mentioned 'driver'.  I guess it is 
> called WINE that is needed.
> 
> But thanks anyhow.
> 
> Scotty

I don't use an IDE, per se. I have Zend, but I use BBEdit since I've had 
it forever.  It a good general code/text editor that knows about all 
sorts of languages, does syntax color coding and in some case will do a 
function lookup in the Reference for you.  Haven't tried it on anything 
other than C, CSS, PHP, PERL, SQL, or HTML.  But it supports way more 
than that.

-- 
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#10121

On 2013-07-15 06:08:01 +0000, Michael Vilain said:

> I don't use an IDE, per se. I have Zend, but I use BBEdit since I've had
> it forever.  It a good general code/text editor that knows about all
> sorts of languages, does syntax color coding and in some case will do a
> function lookup in the Reference for you.  Haven't tried it on anything
> other than C, CSS, PHP, PERL, SQL, or HTML.  But it supports way more
> than that.

I did have an older copy of BBEdit but had forgotten it provided 
colored code and stuff. Downloaded the last version, it is indeed very 
nice. Nicer even the moto of the publisher "it does'nt suck" ! Finally 
some humour in the dull world of editors.

Love the "Zap gremlins" option in the dit menu.

Could not locate the equivalent of Komodo's "select to matching brace", 
great to debug php when closing braces are all over the place.

Thanks for the reminder, though.

Mitch
http://www.FontMenu.com
---
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
Buddha

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#10124

In article <51e41a51$0$3740$426a74cc@news.free.fr>,
 Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> wrote:

> On 2013-07-15 06:08:01 +0000, Michael Vilain said:
> 
> > I don't use an IDE, per se. I have Zend, but I use BBEdit since I've had
> > it forever.  It a good general code/text editor that knows about all
> > sorts of languages, does syntax color coding and in some case will do a
> > function lookup in the Reference for you.  Haven't tried it on anything
> > other than C, CSS, PHP, PERL, SQL, or HTML.  But it supports way more
> > than that.
> 
> I did have an older copy of BBEdit but had forgotten it provided 
> colored code and stuff. Downloaded the last version, it is indeed very 
> nice. Nicer even the moto of the publisher "it does'nt suck" ! Finally 
> some humour in the dull world of editors.
> 
> Love the "Zap gremlins" option in the dit menu.
> 
> Could not locate the equivalent of Komodo's "select to matching brace", 
> great to debug php when closing braces are all over the place.

That's easy. Double-click just inside an opening or closing brace 
selects to the corresponding closing or opening brace. Or, IIRC, you do 
cmd-B, it spreads a selection in both directions from the current 
insertion point to the enclosing braces.

You might want to look at TextWrangler also from BareBones, which has 
most of BBedit but is free.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#10115

In article <krvp5h$h8j$1@dont-email.me>,
 Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> wrote:

> On 7/14/2013 5:25 PM, Michael Vilain wrote:
> > In article <krv19m$aen$1@dont-email.me>,
> >   Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> wrote:

> >> Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac
> >> without a special, for lack of better words, driver.
> >>
> >> I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger.  Might be
> >> something worth looking at.

> > What sort of "driver" are you referring to?  Just turning on mod_php in
> > Apache?  Or installing MySQL from the mysql web site?  The process of
> > doing that hasn't changed much since 10.4 and is documented in various
> > sites on the web.
> >
> > I think you should find someone who knows MacOS who can help you
> > directly.

> It is not the PHP in apache that I was having issues with Mac, it is the 
> phped IDE program from nusphere.
> 
> It was probably confusing when I mentioned 'driver'.  I guess it is 
> called WINE that is needed.

It appears to be a windows program. I downloaded the trial version. At 
no point that I could see did it offer more than one version or indicate 
the system requirements. So I threw it away.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#10120

On 2013-07-14 18:12:04 +0000, Scott Johnson said:

> On 7/14/2013 9:45 AM, richard wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:49:34 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>>>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mitch
>>>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>>> 
>>>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>>> 
>>> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Mitch
>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>> ---
>>> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
>>> J.J. Rousseau
>> 
>> http://validator.w3.org/
>> 
>> This validator checks the html output to make sure the code complys with
>> the guidelines.
>> It is a great tool for finding things that are wrong.
>> If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to
>> find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how to fix
>> it.
>> 
> 
> Richard, what you recommend is OK if all you need to do is validate 
> HTML, but as Mitch will find out if he has not already, a great deal of 
> PHP written may have nothing to do with HTML output in which case the 
> HTML validation would be useless.
> 
> Mitch is looking for, from what I gather, a tool to help write PHP.
> I have personally found a good tool provides, but not limited to the following.
> 
> * Easy formatting of indented and readable code.
> * Tool-tips to speed up reuse of variables and function arguments.
> * Color coding or different elements of the code such and function, 
> variables and definitions.
> * Track back to function definitions.
> * Source level error checking.  Example: Find the simple syntax errors 
> as you go.
> 
> To name a few.
> 
> Though none of this is required to write PHP, anything to help spend 
> less time writing, testing and debugging the better.
> 
> Notepad just does not provide a practical approach when compared to 
> what else is available.  I have heard some hold it as a badge of honor 
> that they use a simple text editor to write code, but I doubt they 
> still use a horse and wagon to get groceries.
> 
> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere.  I have not used the 
> others in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing 
> stood out as NOT a good tool.
> 
> Scotty

You are right, Scotty, I am looking for help in php. I have been using 
html for so long, it is not my main problem.

I forgot to mention that I am using Mac (ouch, I see a hurd of people 
chasing me with forks). Unfortunately, I will not be able to play with 
PHPEd, though it looks impressive.

Let me get into what I would additionally need :
- Auto indent (I developed under RealBasic and it does that very well)

So far, Komodo checks php snytax on the fly, enhances code with colors, 
, and it provides check of open and closed braces {}, which is very 
nice. Which is quite allright and gets a lot of work done.

I was looking for knowledgeable and positive remarks and pointers. All 
have been warmly appreciated. Thank you !

Mitch
http://www.FontMenu.com
---
Luck is the residue of design.
Branch Rickey

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#10122

On 15/07/13 16:19, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> On 2013-07-14 18:12:04 +0000, Scott Johnson said:
>
>> On 7/14/2013 9:45 AM, richard wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:49:34 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>>>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>>>>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mitch
>>>>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>>>>
>>>> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Mitch
>>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>> ---
>>>> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
>>>> J.J. Rousseau
>>>
>>> http://validator.w3.org/
>>>
>>> This validator checks the html output to make sure the code complys 
>>> with
>>> the guidelines.
>>> It is a great tool for finding things that are wrong.
>>> If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to
>>> find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how 
>>> to fix
>>> it.
>>>
>>
>> Richard, what you recommend is OK if all you need to do is validate 
>> HTML, but as Mitch will find out if he has not already, a great deal 
>> of PHP written may have nothing to do with HTML output in which case 
>> the HTML validation would be useless.
>>
>> Mitch is looking for, from what I gather, a tool to help write PHP.
>> I have personally found a good tool provides, but not limited to the 
>> following.
>>
>> * Easy formatting of indented and readable code.
>> * Tool-tips to speed up reuse of variables and function arguments.
>> * Color coding or different elements of the code such and function, 
>> variables and definitions.
>> * Track back to function definitions.
>> * Source level error checking.  Example: Find the simple syntax 
>> errors as you go.
>>
>> To name a few.
>>
>> Though none of this is required to write PHP, anything to help spend 
>> less time writing, testing and debugging the better.
>>
>> Notepad just does not provide a practical approach when compared to 
>> what else is available.  I have heard some hold it as a badge of 
>> honor that they use a simple text editor to write code, but I doubt 
>> they still use a horse and wagon to get groceries.
>>
>> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere.  I have not used the 
>> others in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing 
>> stood out as NOT a good tool.
>>
>> Scotty
>
> You are right, Scotty, I am looking for help in php. I have been using 
> html for so long, it is not my main problem.
>
> I forgot to mention that I am using Mac (ouch, I see a hurd of people 
> chasing me with forks). Unfortunately, I will not be able to play with 
> PHPEd, though it looks impressive.
>
> Let me get into what I would additionally need :
> - Auto indent (I developed under RealBasic and it does that very well)
>
> So far, Komodo checks php snytax on the fly, enhances code with 
> colors, , and it provides check of open and closed braces {}, which is 
> very nice. Which is quite allright and gets a lot of work done.
>
well plenty of editors do all; that. I use Geany for example.

It's actually almost an IDE.

tends to be linux only, but windows versions are available.

> I was looking for knowledgeable and positive remarks and pointers. All 
> have been warmly appreciated. Thank you !
>
> Mitch
> http://www.FontMenu.com
> ---
> Luck is the residue of design.
> Branch Rickey
>
>


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