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  html contact email jans <janis.rough@gmail.com> - 2013-06-28 12:16 -0700
    Re: html contact email Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-28 15:31 -0400
    Re: html contact email "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2013-06-28 14:28 -0500
    Re: html contact email jans <janis.rough@gmail.com> - 2013-06-28 13:39 -0700
      Re: html contact email Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-06-28 22:50 +0200
        Re: html contact email jans <janis.rough@gmail.com> - 2013-06-28 13:51 -0700
          Re: html contact email Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-06-28 21:11 +0000
            Re: html contact email Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-28 17:21 -0400
              OT [Re: html contact email] Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2013-06-28 23:47 +0200
                Re: OT [Re: html contact email] jans <janis.rough@gmail.com> - 2013-06-28 15:17 -0700
                  Re: OT [Re: html contact email] Timothy <timothy@nospam.tdl> - 2013-06-28 22:52 +0000
                    Re: OT [Re: html contact email] Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-29 18:11 -0400
                      Re: OT [Re: html contact email] Timothy <timothy@nospam.tdl> - 2013-06-30 10:46 +0000
                        Re: OT [Re: html contact email] Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-30 19:59 -0400
                  [OT] mailto: (was: OT) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-29 01:34 +0200
                    Re: [OT] mailto: (was: OT) jans <janis.rough@gmail.com> - 2013-06-28 16:43 -0700
                      Re: [OT] mailto: Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-06-29 02:37 +0200
                        Re: [OT] mailto: Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-06-29 02:40 +0200
                          Re: [OT] mailto: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-29 04:29 +0200
                            Re: [OT] mailto: Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-07-10 02:20 +0200
                              Re: [OT] mailto: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-10 22:14 +0200
                                Re: [OT] mailto: Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-07-15 00:06 +0200
                                  Re: [OT] mailto: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-15 00:45 +0200
                      Re: [OT] mailto: (was: OT) Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-06-29 16:46 +0000
              Re: html contact email Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-29 18:06 -0400
                Re: html contact email Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-29 18:24 -0400
                  Re: html contact email "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> - 2013-06-29 22:59 +0000
                    Re: html contact email Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-29 20:12 -0400
                      Re: html contact email "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> - 2013-06-30 00:31 +0000
                        Re: html contact email Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-29 22:31 -0400
                          Re: html contact email "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> - 2013-06-30 02:39 +0000
                      Re: html contact email "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2013-06-29 19:37 -0500
                        Re: html contact email Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-30 12:55 +0200
                  Re: html contact email Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-30 19:52 -0400
                    Re: html contact email Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-30 20:25 -0400
      Re: html contact email Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-29 18:37 -0400
        Re: html contact email Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2013-06-29 21:34 -0400
          Re: html contact email Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-30 13:00 +0200
            +1 Re: html contact email Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-30 20:07 -0400
          Re: html contact email Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-30 20:03 -0400

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#9922 — html contact email

What is wrong with sending email through HTML?  For example,
				<br />Customer Service
				<br /><a href="mailto:orders@tonbobio.com" title="Email Tonbo Customer Service">orders@tonbobio.com</a>
				
				
This is just a random example I found on the internet but I like this format with the anchor and a customer is claiming it only sporadically works on my page.  The page extension was php but I only had one included page, so I copied that page into my page and changed the extension to html.   

If the page extension was php instead of html would that cause my email to only work sporadically?    Is there a way to format php sendmail without it being in a form just a simple email address in an anchor? Thanks,

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#9924

On 6/28/2013 3:16 PM, jans wrote:
> What is wrong with sending email through HTML?  For example,
> 				<br />Customer Service
> 				<br /><a href="mailto:orders@tonbobio.com" title="Email Tonbo Customer Service">orders@tonbobio.com</a>
> 				
> 				
> This is just a random example I found on the internet but I like this format with the anchor and a customer is claiming it only sporadically works on my page.  The page extension was php but I only had one included page, so I copied that page into my page and changed the extension to html.
>
> If the page extension was php instead of html would that cause my email to only work sporadically?    Is there a way to format php sendmail without it being in a form just a simple email address in an anchor? Thanks,
>

It's bad for two reasons.  First of all, it requires the user to use 
their own email program.  Many users out there only use webmail from 
Yahoo, GMail or similar, and don't have a separate email program.

Worse, is it displays your email address on the internet, to be easily 
harvested by spammers.

Related note: I'll never forget the time when, during a several-day 
power outage, I took my laptop to the local library to use their WiFi.
I found they had the usual POP3, IMAP, etc. ports blocked so I couldn't 
fetch email.  I mentioned it to the person next to me (who was doing the 
same thing).  A lady overheard our conversation and said she had no 
problem getting her email.  But all she knew was Yahoo mail, and had no 
concept of another email program - even MS Outlook.

-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

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#9926

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:16:28 -0700 (PDT), jans wrote:
> What is wrong with sending email through HTML?  For example,
> 				<br />Customer Service
> 				<br /><a href="mailto:orders@tonbobio.com" title="Email Tonbo Customer Service">orders@tonbobio.com</a>
> 				
> 				
> This is just a random example I found on the internet but I like this
> format with the anchor and a customer is claiming it only sporadically
> works on my page. The page extension was php but I only had one
> included page, so I copied that page into my page and changed the
> extension to html.
>
> If the page extension was php instead of html would that cause my
> email to only work sporadically? Is there a way to format php sendmail
> without it being in a form just a simple email address in an anchor?
> Thanks,

The mailto: reference type is a client-side process and depends on the
client side having a mail user agent defined to the operating system
somehow. PHP is not involved in this, at all.

-- 
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist
the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
                            -- HL Mencken

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#9930

On Friday, June 28, 2013 12:16:28 PM UTC-7, jans wrote:
> What is wrong with sending email through HTML?  For example,
> 
> 				<br />Customer Service
> 
> 				<br /><a href="mailto:orders@tonbobio.com" title="Email Tonbo Customer Service">orders@tonbobio.com</a>
> 
> 				
> 
> 				
> 
> This is just a random example I found on the internet but I like this format with the anchor and a customer is claiming it only sporadically works on my page.  The page extension was php but I only had one included page, so I copied that page into my page and changed the extension to html.   
> 
> 
> 
> If the page extension was php instead of html would that cause my email to only work sporadically?    Is there a way to format php sendmail without it being in a form just a simple email address in an anchor? Thanks,

thanks for both replies for my info, I was instructed to do it this way then they didn't like it because a customer complained.  I never used mailto before.  I will never know if it was sporadic if it was because of the php extension but maybe that shouldn't matter.

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#9932

jans wrote:
> I will never know if it was sporadic if it was because of the php
> extension but maybe that shouldn't matter.

As Peter already said: it has nothing to do with PHP.  The mailto:
protocol is purely a client side issue; it is specified in RFC 2368[1].

[1] <http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2368>

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#9933

I got that,sorry for not being exact.  I was assuming they were using Outlook since it is a research office.  Ok it must be they weren't.  Thanks,

On Friday, June 28, 2013 1:50:47 PM UTC-7, Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> jans wrote:
> 
> > I will never know if it was sporadic if it was because of the php
> 
> > extension but maybe that shouldn't matter.
> 
> 
> 
> As Peter already said: it has nothing to do with PHP.  The mailto:
> 
> protocol is purely a client side issue; it is specified in RFC 2368[1].
> 
> 
> 
> [1] <http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2368>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Christoph M. Becker

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#9934

jans <janis.rough@gmail.com> wrote in news:70ac3725-639b-4d0e-ad99-
19b104bc1ffa@googlegroups.com:

> I got that,sorry for not being exact.  I was assuming they were using Outlook since it is a 
research office.  Ok it must be they weren't.  Thanks,

It has nothing at all to do with which email client the customer is using. The issue is whether the 
customer does, or does not, have a default email client configured, without regard to which 
one it is. If there is no default email client configured, mailto: will not work. If there is a default 
email client configured, mailto: will invoke it, whether it's Eudora, Thunderbird, Outlook 
Express, or whatever.

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#9935

On 6/28/2013 5:11 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> jans <janis.rough@gmail.com> wrote in news:70ac3725-639b-4d0e-ad99-
> 19b104bc1ffa@googlegroups.com:
>
>> I got that,sorry for not being exact.  I was assuming they were using Outlook since it is a
> research office.  Ok it must be they weren't.  Thanks,
>
> It has nothing at all to do with which email client the customer is using. The issue is whether the
> customer does, or does not, have a default email client configured, without regard to which
> one it is. If there is no default email client configured, mailto: will not work. If there is a default
> email client configured, mailto: will invoke it, whether it's Eudora, Thunderbird, Outlook
> Express, or whatever.
>

The key here is "email client CONFIGURED".  They may have a default 
email client (i.e. Windoze comes with Outlook or whatever has replaced 
it now), but that client may not be configured.

The result is the email client will be invoked - but will be unable to 
send email.

-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

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#9936 — OT [Re: html contact email]

On 28-06-2013 23:21, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>  (i.e. Windoze comes with Outlook or whatever has replaced
> it now), but that client may not be configured.

off-topic, and wrong......

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#9939 — Re: OT [Re: html contact email]

On Friday, June 28, 2013 2:47:27 PM UTC-7, Luuk wrote:
> On 28-06-2013 23:21, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> 
> >  (i.e. Windoze comes with Outlook or whatever has replaced
> 
> > it now), but that client may not be configured.
> 
> 
> 
> off-topic, and wrong......

I am getting this error even though if you click the anchor you do get the email to pop up:
Notice: Undefined variable: body in C:\xampp\htdocs\distributors1.php on line 437
sales@biology.com
 <?php  $to='sales@biology.com'; $subject='Distributor_Email';
                        
   echo "<a href='mailto:{$to}?body={$body}'> sales@biology.com</a> ";?>

And I tried to add a subject by doing this:
<?php  $to='sales@biology.com'; $subject='Distributor_Email';$subject='Distributor email';
                        
   echo "<a href='mailto:{$to}?body={$body}?subject={$subject}'> sales@biology.com</a> ";?>

And I get the right mailto but I get this subject line in the body instead with no subject in the subject line.
?subject=Distributor email 
Thanks,  

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#9941 — Re: OT [Re: html contact email]

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:17:45 -0700, jans wrote:
> I am getting this error even though if you click the anchor you do get
> the email to pop up: Notice: Undefined variable: body in
> C:\xampp\htdocs\distributors1.php on line 437 sales@biology.com

I think you're better off buying a book about PHP or following a course 
in PHP, than asking silly questions on Usenet.

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#9975 — Re: OT [Re: html contact email]

On 2013-06-28 6:52 PM, Timothy wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:17:45 -0700, jans wrote:
>> I am getting this error even though if you click the anchor you do get
>> the email to pop up: Notice: Undefined variable: body in
>> C:\xampp\htdocs\distributors1.php on line 437 sales@biology.com
>
> I think you're better off buying a book about PHP or following a course
> in PHP, than asking silly questions on Usenet.
>
Nah, a newsgroup or forum are great places to ask "silly questions" as 
long as they're legitimate, which this poster seems to be.

It would be "better" if when you come across a question YOU think is 
silly, that you just moved on to one that you don't consider "silly". 
Your own proclamations do not create fact in any way.

Twayne`

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#9988 — Re: OT [Re: html contact email]

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 18:11:16 -0400, Twayne wrote:
> On 2013-06-28 6:52 PM, Timothy wrote:
>> I think you're better off buying a book about PHP or following a course
>> in PHP, than asking silly questions on Usenet.
>>
> Nah, a newsgroup or forum are great places to ask "silly questions" as
> long as they're legitimate, which this poster seems to be.

I think you are right in general, but I think the poster is better of, 
i.e., it would be more helpful for him, reading a book (or some tutorial, 
etc.) in PHP, as he has trouble with an error message that says he needs 
to define some variable.

> It would be "better" if when you come across a question YOU think is
> silly, that you just moved on to one that you don't consider "silly".
> Your own proclamations do not create fact in any way.

You are right.  "silly" was an inappropriate word choice.


Timothy

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#9996 — Re: OT [Re: html contact email]

On 2013-06-30 6:46 AM, Timothy wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 18:11:16 -0400, Twayne wrote:
>> On 2013-06-28 6:52 PM, Timothy wrote:
>>> I think you're better off buying a book about PHP or following a course
>>> in PHP, than asking silly questions on Usenet.
>>>
>> Nah, a newsgroup or forum are great places to ask "silly questions" as
>> long as they're legitimate, which this poster seems to be.
>
> I think you are right in general, but I think the poster is better of,
> i.e., it would be more helpful for him, reading a book (or some tutorial,
> etc.) in PHP, as he has trouble with an error message that says he needs
> to define some variable.

That's true. I was tempted to lead the poster to The Manual (PHP), 
w3cshools, tizag et al, but wasn't feeling up to reassembling the post 
to see if it would be appropriate. Oh well, best laid plans and all 
that, eh?
>
>> It would be "better" if when you come across a question YOU think is
>> silly, that you just moved on to one that you don't consider "silly".
>> Your own proclamations do not create fact in any way.
>
> You are right.  "silly" was an inappropriate word choice.
>
>
> Timothy
>

Yah, but not a problem really, Tim. We all have our off days and 
knee-jerk reactions; it's called being human. You appear a pro-active 
person and a thinking person too.

Luck,

Twayne`

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#9944 — [OT] mailto: (was: OT)

jans wrote:

> $subject='Distributor_Email';$subject='Distributor email';
>                         
>    echo "<a href='mailto:{$to}?body={$body}?subject={$subject}'>
>    sales@biology.com</a> ";?>
> 
> And I get the right mailto but I get this subject line in the body instead
> with no subject in the subject line. ?subject=Distributor email

You have been told before that “mailto:” URIs are interpreted *client-side* 
by the e-mail *client* program triggered by the browser, if any.

It does not matter that it is generated server-side with PHP.  You do not 
really have a PHP problem.  (You have the problem not knowing what you are 
doing on the Web instead, like how URIs must look like.)

You are *off-topic* here.  Read the corresponding RFCs, and RTFM.


PointedEars
-- 
Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on
a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee

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#9947 — Re: [OT] mailto: (was: OT)

On Friday, June 28, 2013 4:34:11 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> jans wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > $subject='Distributor_Email';$subject='Distributor email';
> 
> >                         
> 
> >    echo "<a href='mailto:{$to}?body={$body}?subject={$subject}'>
> 
> >    sales@biology.com</a> ";?>
> 
> > 
> 
> > And I get the right mailto but I get this subject line in the body instead
> 
> > with no subject in the subject line. ?subject=Distributor email
> 
> 
> 
> You have been told before that “mailto:” URIs are interpreted *client-side* 
> 
> by the e-mail *client* program triggered by the browser, if any.
> 
> 
> 
> It does not matter that it is generated server-side with PHP.  You do not 
> 
> really have a PHP problem.  (You have the problem not knowing what you are 
> 
> doing on the Web instead, like how URIs must look like.)
> 
> 
> 
> You are *off-topic* here.  Read the corresponding RFCs, and RTFM.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> PointedEars
> 
> -- 
> 
> Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on
> 
> a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
> 
> when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
> 
> computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee
Okay, fair enough.  I have one more question.  If I have to process it without mailto, is there a way to just have a popup in an anchor?  I don't want it to be a form response.  I just want to click the anchor link and have the email popup.  So should he not have a email configured for example if he uses hotmail then I guess I would have to use some php class for that?  I know gmail works as a default but I don't know about hotmail.  I am assuming there are only hotmail, yahoo, or gmail to worry about or Outlook

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#9950 — Re: [OT] mailto:

jans wrote:
> Okay, fair enough.  I have one more question.  If I have to process
> it without mailto, is there a way to just have a popup in an anchor?
> I don't want it to be a form response.  I just want to click the
> anchor link and have the email popup.  So should he not have a email
> configured for example if he uses hotmail then I guess I would have
> to use some php class for that?  I know gmail works as a default but
> I don't know about hotmail.  I am assuming there are only hotmail,
> yahoo, or gmail to worry about or Outlook

There are *many* more, AIUI.

Basically you have two options to offer the possibility to your visitors
to send a mail to you: (a) you use the "mailto:" protocol, which may not
work, as already explained, or (b) you use an (X)HTML form.  The latter
may be offered in some kind of "popup", which may be a new browser
window or some kind of CSS "popup"; the latter requires browser side
scripting, which may not be available.  The former *may* cause usability
problems.

Anyway, you should heed Timothy's advice and get a book (or online
tutorial/course) to get a basic understanding of web development before
trying to implement option (b).  And you may consider looking up some
site, where a mail contact link/form/whatever is implemented in a way
you like.  Looking at the way its implemented may give you some valuable
hints (however, note that simply copying foreign code may be copyright
infringement; furthermore it may cause problems, if you don't understand
what the code does).

And please consider not posting via Google Groups if possible.  Reading
these posts is often[1] a real pain, let alone replying to them.

[1] However, some are able to produce readable posts via Google Groups. :)

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#9952 — Re: [OT] mailto:

Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> (a) you use the "mailto:" protocol

Make that "mailto" protocol, of course.

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#9958 — Re: [OT] mailto:

Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>> (a) you use the "mailto:" protocol
> 
> Make that "mailto" protocol, of course.

Make that “‘mailto:’ URI scheme”.


PointedEars
-- 
    realism:    HTML 4.01 Strict
    evangelism: XHTML 1.0 Strict
    madness:    XHTML 1.1 as application/xhtml+xml
                                                    -- Bjoern Hoehrmann

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#10056 — Re: [OT] mailto:

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> 
>> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>>> (a) you use the "mailto:" protocol
>>
>> Make that "mailto" protocol, of course.
> 
> Make that “‘mailto:’ URI scheme”.

ACK.  According to RFC 2368 one may call it "The mailto URL scheme".

It seems to me that the quite common use of the wording "mailto
protocol" is a misnomer, which might stem from the wording "HTTP
protocol" (the latter being indeed a protocol, while the former is
not--CMIIW).

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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