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  does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ milk <fanyilong.v5@gmail.com> - 2012-12-31 07:19 -0800
    Re: does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ milk <fanyilong.v5@gmail.com> - 2012-12-31 07:22 -0800
      Re: does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2012-12-31 15:31 -0800
        Re: does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ Mike S <mscir@yahoo.com> - 2012-12-31 17:20 -0800
          Re: does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-12-31 20:43 -0500
          Re: does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-01-01 02:45 +0100
            Re: does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2013-01-01 05:22 +0000
              Re: does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-01-01 13:36 +0100
                Re: does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2013-01-01 14:53 +0100
                  Re: does the php is not popularÅHi am a phperÅI Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-01-01 15:58 +0000
                Re: does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2013-01-02 04:41 +0000
                  Re: does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-01-02 10:54 +0100
                    Re: does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2013-01-02 18:30 +0100
                      Re: does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-01-03 11:05 +0100
                    Re: does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2013-01-02 17:52 +0000
                  Re: does the php is not popular？i am a phper！ Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-01-02 08:03 -0500

#7973 — does the php is not popular？i am a phper！

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#7974

在 2012年12月31日星期一UTC+8下午11时19分30秒，milk写道：
> 

the rank of php is declining...

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#7975

On 12/31/2012 7:22 AM, milk wrote:
> 在 2012年12月31日星期一UTC+8下午11时19分30秒，milk写道：
>>
>
> the rank of php is declining...
>
Got any stats/links that dictate this analysis?

Scotty

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#7976

On 12/31/2012 3:31 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
> On 12/31/2012 7:22 AM, milk wrote:
>> the rank of php is declining...
> Got any stats/links that dictate this analysis?
> Scotty

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/12/04/december-2012-web-server-survey.html

December 2012 Web Server Survey

If you take a look at the charts for

Market Share for Top Servers Across All Domains
Market Share for Active Sites Across All Domains

You can see that MS is declining faster than Apache.

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#7977

On 12/31/2012 8:20 PM, Mike S wrote:
> On 12/31/2012 3:31 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> On 12/31/2012 7:22 AM, milk wrote:
>>> the rank of php is declining...
>> Got any stats/links that dictate this analysis?
>> Scotty
>
> http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/12/04/december-2012-web-server-survey.html
>
>
> December 2012 Web Server Survey
>
> If you take a look at the charts for
>
> Market Share for Top Servers Across All Domains
> Market Share for Active Sites Across All Domains
>
> You can see that MS is declining faster than Apache.
>
>
>
>

Somehow I don't think it's a very scientific survey, and could be off by 
a long ways.

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#7978

Mike S wrote:

> On 12/31/2012 3:31 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> On 12/31/2012 7:22 AM, milk wrote:
>>> the rank of php is declining...
>> Got any stats/links that dictate this analysis?
>> Scotty
> 
> http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/12/04/december-2012-web-server-
> survey.html
> 
> December 2012 Web Server Survey
> 
> If you take a look at the charts for
> 
> Market Share for Top Servers Across All Domains
> Market Share for Active Sites Across All Domains
> 
> You can see that MS is declining faster than Apache.

The data you cite is irrelevant to this problem.  Contrary to popular 
belief, PHP is not limited to Apache servers, GNU/Linux, or to the server 
side at all.

Usually the TIOBE Programming Community Index is cited as reference for the 
popularity of a programming language.  According to it, PHP's popularity has 
not changed within the last year:

<http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>

Please do not feed the trolls, and do get a full name.


PointedEars
-- 
Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on
a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee

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#7979

[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <php@PointedEars.de> spake the secret code
<14012635.q4xlJ368Gr@PointedEars.de> thusly:

>Usually the TIOBE Programming Community Index is cited as reference for the 
>popularity of a programming language.  According to it, PHP's popularity has 
>not changed within the last year:
>
><http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>

Yet, the same URL shows that the trend line for PHP is downward.

>Please [...] do get a full name.

ROTFLMAO.  What a silly thing to say.
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#7982

Richard wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <php@PointedEars.de> spake the secret code
> <14012635.q4xlJ368Gr@PointedEars.de> thusly:

It is supposed to be an attribution _line_, not a novel.

>> Usually the TIOBE Programming Community Index is cited as reference for
>> the popularity of a programming language.  According to it, PHP's
>> popularity has not changed within the last year:
>>
>> <http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>
> 
> Yet, the same URL shows that the trend line for PHP is downward.

How did you get that idea?

>> Please [...] do get a full name.
> 
> ROTFLMAO.  What a silly thing to say.

There is nothing silly about it.  Posting with one's full name is customary 
in Usenet.  Because 1. it is basically polite to introduce oneself to 
strangers using one's full name (before asking for their help, and consuming 
their free time), and 2. there is more than one “Mike S” and more than one 
“Richard” out there; omitting the full name (first and last name) leads to 
confusion.  Some people, like me, also insert their nickname to avoid 
confusion if even the full name does not suffice; others insert their second 
name in abbreviated form.  Read RFCs 1855, 5536, and several Usenet guides.


PointedEars
-- 
> If you get a bunch of authors […] that state the same "best practices"
> in any programming language, then you can bet who is wrong or right...
Not with javascript. Nonsense propagates like wildfire in this field.
  -- Richard Cornford, comp.lang.javascript, 2011-11-14

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#7984

On 01-01-2013 13:36, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> 2. there is more than one “Mike S” and more than one
> “Richard” out there

That woudl not solve things for /me
Because at least 2 persons (including meself) have the same full-name

So, i still don't see why i should put my full-name here...

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#7985 — Re: does the php is not popularÅHi am a phperÅI

In article <gc6br9-usk.ln1@luuk.invalid.lan>, Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> 
wrote:

> On 01-01-2013 13:36, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > 2. there is more than one “Mike S” and more than one
> > “Richard” out there
> 
> That woudl not solve things for /me
> Because at least 2 persons (including meself) have the same full-name
> 
> So, i still don't see why i should put my full-name here...

Well, Luuk, since your posts arrive here just fine without it, that 
clearly means that, in fact, you don't have to, whatever PointyHead 
chooses to say.

It's just PointyHead acting like an infants' school mistress from the 
1950s; all he actually succeeds in doing is looking like a fool. Feel 
free to tell him to fuck off from time to time; it's good for him.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#7987

[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <php@PointedEars.de> spake the secret code
<3121172.Rje1355gbv@PointedEars.de> thusly:

>Richard wrote:
>
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <php@PointedEars.de> spake the secret code
>> <14012635.q4xlJ368Gr@PointedEars.de> thusly:
>
>It is supposed to be an attribution _line_, not a novel.
>
>>> Usually the TIOBE Programming Community Index is cited as reference for
>>> the popularity of a programming language.  According to it, PHP's
>>> popularity has not changed within the last year:
>>>
>>> <http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>
>> 
>> Yet, the same URL shows that the trend line for PHP is downward.
>
>How did you get that idea?

I looked at the mult-year trend line graph at the URL.

>>> Please [...] do get a full name.
>> 
>> ROTFLMAO.  What a silly thing to say.
>
>There is nothing silly about it.

Of course your position is silly because I can slap whatever "name" I
feel like it on my posts and you will be no more "introduced" to me
than if I put on my full name.

>Posting with one's full name is customary 
>in Usenet.

Since when?  If anything, usenet has a long and rich history of
pseudonyms and anonymous posting.  Much more so than email, for
instance.

At one point, someone like you insisted that I post my "real name" or
they wouldn't take my posts seriously.  I immediately slapped a fake
name on my post and then they started addressing the content of my
message instead of the label on my From header.  They merely served to
prove my point that insisting that someone else post with their "real
name" or "full name" is a silly position to take.

At any rate, if you want to be the Emily Post of Usenet, this is the
wrong newsgroup.
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#7989

Richard wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn […]:
>> Richard wrote:
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn […]:
>>>> Usually the TIOBE Programming Community Index is cited as reference for
>>>> the popularity of a programming language.  According to it, PHP's
>>>> popularity has not changed within the last year:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>
>>> 
>>> Yet, the same URL shows that the trend line for PHP is downward.
>>
>> How did you get that idea?
> 
> I looked at the mult-year trend line graph at the URL.

Look again.

>>>> Please [...] do get a full name.
>>> 
>>> ROTFLMAO.  What a silly thing to say.
>>
>> There is nothing silly about it.
> 
> Of course your position is silly because I can slap whatever "name" I
> feel like it on my posts […]

And be ignored.  As you wish.


F'up2 set

PointedEars
-- 
Danny Goodman's books are out of date and teach practices that are
positively harmful for cross-browser scripting.
  -- Richard Cornford, cljs, <cife6q$253$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk> (2004)

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#7991

[F'up2 alt.my.little.pony ignored -- WTF???]

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn schrieb:

>>>>> <http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>
>>>> Yet, the same URL shows that the trend line for PHP is downward.
>>> How did you get that idea?
>> I looked at the mult-year trend line graph at the URL.
> Look again.

Section "Very Long Term History":
PHP Dec 2007: Position 4
PHP Dec 2012: Position 6
Thus, PHP lost two positions in 5 years.

Greetings,
Thomas

-- 
Ce n'est pas parce qu'ils sont nombreux à avoir tort qu'ils ont raison!
(Coluche)

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#7996

Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn schrieb:
>>>>>> <http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>
>>>>> Yet, the same URL shows that the trend line for PHP is downward.
>>>> How did you get that idea?
>>> I looked at the mult-year trend line graph at the URL.
>> Look again.
> 
> Section "Very Long Term History":
> PHP Dec 2007: Position 4
> PHP Dec 2012: Position 6
> Thus, PHP lost two positions in 5 years.

Graph “Long term trends”:
PHP 2001: ca. 2.5%
PHP 2012: ca. 5.0%
Thus, “PHP has doubled its popularity in the last 11 years.”

Main Section “TIOBE Programming Community Index for December 2012”:
PHP Dec 2011: Position 6
PHP Dec 2012: Position 6
Thus, “PHP has been steady.”

Much the same could be said about any other programming language on the 
charts or tables.  When interpreting (long-term) data, one must take care to 
avoid the trap of bending the facts to fit the argument.  For example, 
suppose we were in December 2005, you could say that “The popularity of Java 
has seen a deep decline for the last three years”, thus argue that “Java is 
no longer the programming language of choice”.  But then suppose we were in 
December 2006, and look what has presumably happened to Java's popularity.  
Then read the FAQ about it.


PointedEars
-- 
    realism:    HTML 4.01 Strict
    evangelism: XHTML 1.0 Strict
    madness:    XHTML 1.1 as application/xhtml+xml
                                                    -- Bjoern Hoehrmann

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#7992

[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <php@PointedEars.de> spake the secret code
<2564324.3CA8IRjdb2@PointedEars.de> thusly:

>Richard wrote:
>> Of course your position is silly because I can slap whatever "name"
I
>> feel like it on my posts [\xe2\x80\xa6]
>
>And be ignored.  As you wish.

Wrong.  It is *YOU* who wish to ignore people whom you feel haven't
revealed their "real name".  It is you who are losing out, not me.  I
am not an egotist and I don't post to usenet for the sake of seeing my
own name splattered across the bitstreams; I post to usenet to share
my point of view and knowledge.  (In technical newsgroups, more the
latter than the former.)  It is *YOU* who are losing out by ignoring
posts from people who don't satisfy your niggling little Emily Post
rules.  I could care less whether you read my posts or not.

As I said, I could post under a fake real name for years (and I have)
and people like you would sit there smugly thinking they are
responding
to my real name, when you aren't.  I would just laugh at you every
single
time because it's a silly position to take.

I laugh at you now.

I also laugh at you because you insist on decorating my 7-bit clean
quoted material with pointless 8-bit characters.
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#7990

On 1/1/2013 11:41 PM, Richard wrote:
> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <php@PointedEars.de> spake the secret code
> <3121172.Rje1355gbv@PointedEars.de> thusly:
>
>> Richard wrote:
>>
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <php@PointedEars.de> spake the secret code
>>> <14012635.q4xlJ368Gr@PointedEars.de> thusly:
>>
>> It is supposed to be an attribution _line_, not a novel.
>>
>>>> Usually the TIOBE Programming Community Index is cited as reference for
>>>> the popularity of a programming language.  According to it, PHP's
>>>> popularity has not changed within the last year:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>
>>>
>>> Yet, the same URL shows that the trend line for PHP is downward.
>>
>> How did you get that idea?
>
> I looked at the mult-year trend line graph at the URL.
>
>>>> Please [...] do get a full name.
>>>
>>> ROTFLMAO.  What a silly thing to say.
>>
>> There is nothing silly about it.
>
> Of course your position is silly because I can slap whatever "name" I
> feel like it on my posts and you will be no more "introduced" to me
> than if I put on my full name.
>
>> Posting with one's full name is customary
>> in Usenet.
>
> Since when?  If anything, usenet has a long and rich history of
> pseudonyms and anonymous posting.  Much more so than email, for
> instance.
>
> At one point, someone like you insisted that I post my "real name" or
> they wouldn't take my posts seriously.  I immediately slapped a fake
> name on my post and then they started addressing the content of my
> message instead of the label on my From header.  They merely served to
> prove my point that insisting that someone else post with their "real
> name" or "full name" is a silly position to take.
>
> At any rate, if you want to be the Emily Post of Usenet, this is the
> wrong newsgroup.
>

Richard, please don't feed the trolls.

I don't mind first names or 'nyms.  The only problem is when some people 
try to hide behind a 'nym in order to troll anonymously.  You aren't one 
of those.

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