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PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program

Started byJames Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com>
First post2015-12-19 10:03 +0000
Last post2016-01-12 05:34 +0100
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  PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 10:03 +0000
    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-19 08:20 -0500
      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 10:16 +0000
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-20 09:31 -0500
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 17:11 +0000
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-20 16:42 -0500
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-25 15:56 +0000
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-25 11:23 -0500
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 10:09 +0000
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-26 09:33 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 22:54 +0000
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-20 18:40 -0500
    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 10:38 +0100
      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 08:41 -0500
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 15:30 +0100
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 11:04 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 23:24 +0100
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:16 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 00:33 +0100
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:19 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 10:27 +0100
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-22 11:18 +0100
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 06:34 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-22 16:00 +0100
                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 10:56 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 15:56 +0100
                  OT: pre-PHP day (was: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program) Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 16:57 +0100
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 11:03 -0500
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-22 18:02 +0100
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 14:47 +0100
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 11:04 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 18:22 +0100
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 12:33 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 18:46 +0100
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2015-12-21 17:25 +0100
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 23:17 +0100
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:23 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-28 15:26 +0100
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 10:02 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-28 18:14 +0100
                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 12:29 -0500
                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-28 18:54 +0100
                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 14:15 -0500
                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-28 21:18 +0100
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 15:49 -0500
                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-12-28 20:31 -0500
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 20:48 -0500
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 11:26 +0100
                                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 12:33 -0500
                                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 18:57 +0100
                                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:14 -0500
                                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-30 19:05 +0100
                                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:18 -0500
                                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-12-30 21:55 -0500
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-30 22:14 -0500
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 22:43 -0500
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 22:46 -0500
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 22:42 -0500
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 09:07 +0100
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 07:47 -0500
                                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 16:11 +0100
                                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 10:47 -0500
                                                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 17:43 +0100
                                                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 13:49 -0500
                                                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 20:35 +0100
                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 11:18 +0100
                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 12:36 -0500
                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 19:09 +0100
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2015-12-30 20:28 +0100
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:21 -0500
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 09:09 +0100
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:21 -0500
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 09:16 +0100
                                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 07:53 -0500
                                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 16:03 +0100
                                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 10:49 -0500
                                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-31 17:16 +0100
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 13:54 -0500
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-31 20:41 +0100
                                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 14:47 -0500
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 20:56 +0100
                                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 15:21 -0500
                                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 17:52 +0100
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 13:51 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-28 19:35 +0100
                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 14:17 -0500
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 00:20 +0100
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:27 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 10:12 +0100
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 06:36 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 13:57 +0100
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 11:05 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 17:22 +0100
                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 12:01 -0500
                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 18:25 +0100
                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 12:34 -0500
    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2015-12-21 14:53 -0800
      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:30 -0500
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-21 21:40 -0500
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-21 21:47 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 21:55 -0500
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-21 21:57 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 22:01 -0500
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 21:54 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2015-12-22 11:54 -0800
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 15:42 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-02 11:08 -0800
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-02 15:12 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-04 10:41 -0800
                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 14:39 -0500
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2015-12-22 11:49 -0800
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 15:44 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-02 11:09 -0800
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-02 15:14 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-04 10:42 -0800
                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 14:41 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-04 22:54 +0100
                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 19:40 -0500
                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 04:19 +0100
                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 22:29 -0500
                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2016-01-05 02:02 -0500
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 09:08 -0500
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 18:55 +0100
                                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:06 -0500
                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-04 15:51 -0800
                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 19:41 -0500
                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 04:27 +0100
                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 22:31 -0500
                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 04:48 +0100
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 22:52 -0500
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 09:16 +0100
                                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 09:08 -0500
                                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 18:59 +0100
                                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:07 -0500
                                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 01:13 +0100
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 20:52 -0500
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 08:53 +0100
                                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 09:15 -0500
                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-05 09:00 -0800
                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 19:01 +0100
                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:09 -0500
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 01:15 +0100
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 20:51 -0500
                                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 08:54 +0100
                                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 09:16 -0500
                                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 09:02 +0100
                                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 08:02 -0500
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 23:42 +0100
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 20:44 -0500
                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:09 -0500
                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-06 09:27 -0800
                              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 15:25 -0500
                                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-06 13:27 -0800
                                  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 16:32 -0500
                                    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 09:03 +0100
                                      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 08:03 -0500
                                        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 23:45 +0100
                                          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 20:48 -0500
                                            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-12 05:34 +0100

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#15955

FromGregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com>
Date2015-12-22 10:27 +0100
Message-ID<n5b4sq$5ue$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15944
Am 2015-12-22 um 01:19 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
> On 12/21/2015 6:33 PM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>> Am 2015-12-21 um 17:04 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>
>>> In close to 25 years of web programming [snip]
>>
>> What is "close to"?
>>
>> Since the web itself is barely 25 years old, you must be either Tim
>> Berners-Lee himself or you are blatantly exaggerating.
>>
>> Besides: I know "developers" who have done "web development" for years
>> and their code quality hasn't improved in the slightest during this time.
>>
>> Gregor
>>
>>
>
> I started back in about 1991.  But I was on arpanet long before that.

ARPANET is not "web". You know that, don't you? And "about 1991":

"On 6 August 1991, Berners-Lee published a short summary of the World 
Wide Web project on the newsgroup alt.hypertext. This date also marked 
the debut of the Web as a publicly available service on the Internet, 
although new users only accessed it after 23 August. For this reason 
this is considered the internaut's day. Several newsmedia have reported 
that the first photo on the Web was published by Berners-Lee in 1992."

> But if you claim you know "developers" who have done "web development"
> for years, then you don't know real developers.

I know "other developers", too. Its just that both groups of developers 
- just like you - claim to do things "right".

> I have around 47 years of programming total, in close to 20 different
> language (including 13 years at IBM).  What do your "developers" have?

I can only claim 31 years of programming (my first language was Z80 
Assembler on my trusty ZX Spectrum, which I dearly miss). I compensate 
the remaining 16 years with a much larger dick and and a much more 
fulfilling sex life.

> Or are you just an  ignorant troll like Pointed Head?  I suspect so.

I suppose so, since this is coming from you - THE authority in PHP, web 
development, and netiquette.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web

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#15956

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2015-12-22 11:18 +0100
Message-ID<1829800.vYkbvb88f8@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#15955
Gregor Kofler wrote:

> Am 2015-12-22 um 01:19 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>> I have around 47 years of programming total, in close to 20 different
>> language (including 13 years at IBM).  What do your "developers" have?
> 
> I can only claim 31 years of programming (my first language was Z80
> Assembler on my trusty ZX Spectrum, which I dearly miss). I compensate
> the remaining 16 years with a much larger dick and and a much more
> fulfilling sex life.

ROTFL.  YMMD :)

\\//,
-- 
PointedEars
Zend Certified PHP Engineer
Twitter: @PointedEars2
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#15957

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-22 06:34 -0500
Message-ID<n5bcai$vp1$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15955
On 12/22/2015 4:27 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
> Am 2015-12-22 um 01:19 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>> On 12/21/2015 6:33 PM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>> Am 2015-12-21 um 17:04 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>
>>>> In close to 25 years of web programming [snip]
>>>
>>> What is "close to"?
>>>
>>> Since the web itself is barely 25 years old, you must be either Tim
>>> Berners-Lee himself or you are blatantly exaggerating.
>>>
>>> Besides: I know "developers" who have done "web development" for years
>>> and their code quality hasn't improved in the slightest during this
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Gregor
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I started back in about 1991.  But I was on arpanet long before that.
> 
> ARPANET is not "web". You know that, don't you? And "about 1991":
>

That's why I stated I started on the web in about 1991.

> "On 6 August 1991, Berners-Lee published a short summary of the World
> Wide Web project on the newsgroup alt.hypertext. This date also marked
> the debut of the Web as a publicly available service on the Internet,
> although new users only accessed it after 23 August. For this reason
> this is considered the internaut's day. Several newsmedia have reported
> that the first photo on the Web was published by Berners-Lee in 1992."
> 

Gee, you can cut and paste!  Will wonders never cease?  I said - ABOUT 1991.

>> But if you claim you know "developers" who have done "web development"
>> for years, then you don't know real developers.
> 
> I know "other developers", too. Its just that both groups of developers
> - just like you - claim to do things "right".
> 

Yup, and the ones I know are considered tops in their fields.  Many work
for major companies such as IBM.  Others are quite successful consultants.

>> I have around 47 years of programming total, in close to 20 different
>> language (including 13 years at IBM).  What do your "developers" have?
> 
> I can only claim 31 years of programming (my first language was Z80
> Assembler on my trusty ZX Spectrum, which I dearly miss). I compensate
> the remaining 16 years with a much larger dick and and a much more
> fulfilling sex life.
> 

A relative newcomer.  But you're right - your dick is showing big time.

>> Or are you just an  ignorant troll like Pointed Head?  I suspect so.
> 
> I suppose so, since this is coming from you - THE authority in PHP, web
> development, and netiquette.
> 

Glad you agree you're nothing more than a Pointed Head sucking troll.

> 
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web

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#15962

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2015-12-22 16:00 +0100
Message-ID<2062788.OclFi3kWJk@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#15957
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> On 12/22/2015 4:27 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>> Am 2015-12-22 um 01:19 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>> On 12/21/2015 6:33 PM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>>> Am 2015-12-21 um 17:04 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>>> In close to 25 years of web programming [snip]
>>>> What is "close to"?
>>>>
>>>> Since the web itself is barely 25 years old, you must be either Tim
>>>> Berners-Lee himself or you are blatantly exaggerating.
>>>>
>>>> Besides: I know "developers" who have done "web development" for years
>>>> and their code quality hasn't improved in the slightest during this
>>>> time.
>>> I started back in about 1991.  But I was on arpanet long before that.
>> ARPANET is not "web". You know that, don't you? And "about 1991":
> 
> That's why I stated I started on the web in about 1991.

You are so full of yourself, you do not even realize anymore when you are 
blathering nonsense, which, sadly, happens all the time recently.

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#15963

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-22 10:56 -0500
Message-ID<n5brm3$nt6$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15962
On 12/22/2015 10:00 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> 
>> On 12/22/2015 4:27 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>> Am 2015-12-22 um 01:19 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> On 12/21/2015 6:33 PM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>>>> Am 2015-12-21 um 17:04 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>>>> In close to 25 years of web programming [snip]
>>>>> What is "close to"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the web itself is barely 25 years old, you must be either Tim
>>>>> Berners-Lee himself or you are blatantly exaggerating.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides: I know "developers" who have done "web development" for years
>>>>> and their code quality hasn't improved in the slightest during this
>>>>> time.
>>>> I started back in about 1991.  But I was on arpanet long before that.
>>> ARPANET is not "web". You know that, don't you? And "about 1991":
>>
>> That's why I stated I started on the web in about 1991.
> 
> You are so full of yourself, you do not even realize anymore when you are 
> blathering nonsense, which, sadly, happens all the time recently.
> 

You're an idiot, as usual, Pointed Head.

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#15961

FromArno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Date2015-12-22 15:56 +0100
Message-ID<567964B1.6050108@arnowelzel.de>
In reply to#15944
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-22 um 01:19:

> On 12/21/2015 6:33 PM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>> Am 2015-12-21 um 17:04 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>
>>> In close to 25 years of web programming [snip]
>>
>> What is "close to"?
>>
>> Since the web itself is barely 25 years old, you must be either Tim
>> Berners-Lee himself or you are blatantly exaggerating.
>>
>> Besides: I know "developers" who have done "web development" for years
>> and their code quality hasn't improved in the slightest during this time.
>>
>> Gregor
>>
>>
> 
> I started back in about 1991.  But I was on arpanet long before that.

I see. You want to say that you noticed the invention of HTML and HTTP
in 1991. But there was no "web" yet you could develop anything for, just
the site of CERN followed by some other university sites in 1992.

Even in 1993 there where less then 200 web sites world wide and Yahoo
started in 1994 with about 2800 web sites world wide.

So don't tell you started "web development" in 1991 - this is just
impossible.

> But if you claim you know "developers" who have done "web development"
> for years, then you don't know real developers.
> 
> I have around 47 years of programming total, in close to 20 different
> language (including 13 years at IBM).  What do your "developers" have?

Knowledge in PHP - the topic of this group. Other languages are not the
topic here.

And what is "close to 20 different languages"? Either you know 20
languages or you don't. What do you try to tell us? "Mine is bigger than
yours"?

BTW - I had my first software publication at the age of 17 and got the
the "listing of the month" price for it - an assembler written in 6502
machine code resident in memory for 8 bit Atari machines:

<http://arnowelzel.de/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ck1986-1011.jpg>

In the 1990ies during my first employment as a software developer I
created an alternative graphical desktop environment for Atari ST/TT
machines in C:

<http://arnowelzel.de/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/thing.png>

The code is still available under the GPL today:

<http://atariforge.org/gf/project/thing/scmsvn/>

And besides 6502 machine language, C, C++, C#, PHP etc. I also work with
Java to develop Android apps, also one in my spare time and translated
in many languages:

<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.arnowelzel.android.periodical>

<https://github.com/arnowelzel/periodical>

And some of my private PHP projects:

<http://arnowelzel.de/wp/en/projects/flashplayer-for-dokuwiki>

<http://arnowelzel.de/wp/en/projects/wordpress/multicolumn-category-widget>

<http://arnowelzel.de/wp/en/tools/spoke-length-calculator>

<http://playground.arnowelzel.de/>

And JavaScript:

<http://arnowelzel.de/wp/en/tools/gpx-viewer>

And and example in JavaScript combined with server side stuff to show
the use of web sockets:

<https://arnowelzel.de/tools/chat/>

A database query in PHP and generating a chart using JavaScript and an
HTML5 canvas:

<http://arnowelzel.de/wp/en/tools/statistics>

And some of the web sites I run (some of them for many years now):

<http://arnowelzel.de>

<http://de-rec-fahrrad.de>

<http://criticalmass-augsburg.de>

So - where are your examples of your work? Do you even have a website as
an example of your expertise? I don't know of any so far. Any publications?


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#15964 — OT: pre-PHP day (was: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program)

FromGregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com>
Date2015-12-22 16:57 +0100
SubjectOT: pre-PHP day (was: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program)
Message-ID<n5broa$p2n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15961
Am 2015-12-22 um 15:56 schrieb Arno Welzel:

> <http://arnowelzel.de/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ck1986-1011.jpg>

Cool.
I created a "legendary game":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HmCde0mze8
:-)

and an endless stream of useless software (I did two or three games and
some serious stuff on the Amiga, too - but nothing left to prove it to
Jerry... and I never worked for IBM):

http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=13482
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=17033
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=1332
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=21275
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=3180
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=5834
...

I wrote a complete 3D engine in x86 Assembler in the early 90ies -
became obsolete the day 3D cards surfaced.

[credentials snipped]

I doubt that this list qualifies you as "competent" by Jerry's standards.

But looking up the above links gave me a welcome blast from the past.

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#15965

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-22 11:03 -0500
Message-ID<n5bs3m$qll$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15961
On 12/22/2015 9:56 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-22 um 01:19:
> 
>> On 12/21/2015 6:33 PM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>> Am 2015-12-21 um 17:04 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>
>>>> In close to 25 years of web programming [snip]
>>>
>>> What is "close to"?
>>>
>>> Since the web itself is barely 25 years old, you must be either Tim
>>> Berners-Lee himself or you are blatantly exaggerating.
>>>
>>> Besides: I know "developers" who have done "web development" for years
>>> and their code quality hasn't improved in the slightest during this time.
>>>
>>> Gregor
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I started back in about 1991.  But I was on arpanet long before that.
> 
> I see. You want to say that you noticed the invention of HTML and HTTP
> in 1991. But there was no "web" yet you could develop anything for, just
> the site of CERN followed by some other university sites in 1992.
> 
> Even in 1993 there where less then 200 web sites world wide and Yahoo
> started in 1994 with about 2800 web sites world wide.
> 
> So don't tell you started "web development" in 1991 - this is just
> impossible.
>

I said "around 1991".  It's been so long ago I don't remember the exact
date.  But I was fooling with HTML using IBM's web server on my own
system long before there was a lot on the web.

>> But if you claim you know "developers" who have done "web development"
>> for years, then you don't know real developers.
>>
>> I have around 47 years of programming total, in close to 20 different
>> language (including 13 years at IBM).  What do your "developers" have?
> 
> Knowledge in PHP - the topic of this group. Other languages are not the
> topic here.
> 

And you are always off topic.

> And what is "close to 20 different languages"? Either you know 20
> languages or you don't. What do you try to tell us? "Mine is bigger than
> yours"?
> 

"Other languages are not the topic here."  But I've coded languages
you've never heard of.  Some aren't even around any more.

> BTW - I had my first software publication at the age of 17 and got the
> the "listing of the month" price for it - an assembler written in 6502
> machine code resident in memory for 8 bit Atari machines:
> 
> <http://arnowelzel.de/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ck1986-1011.jpg>
> 

"Other languages are not the topic here."

> In the 1990ies during my first employment as a software developer I
> created an alternative graphical desktop environment for Atari ST/TT
> machines in C:
>

"Other languages are not the topic here."

> <http://arnowelzel.de/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/thing.png>
> 
> The code is still available under the GPL today:
> 
> <http://atariforge.org/gf/project/thing/scmsvn/>
> 
> And besides 6502 machine language, C, C++, C#, PHP etc. I also work with
> Java to develop Android apps, also one in my spare time and translated
> in many languages:
> 
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.arnowelzel.android.periodical>
> 
> <https://github.com/arnowelzel/periodical>
> 

"Other languages are not the topic here."

> And some of my private PHP projects:
> 
> <http://arnowelzel.de/wp/en/projects/flashplayer-for-dokuwiki>
> 
> <http://arnowelzel.de/wp/en/projects/wordpress/multicolumn-category-widget>
> 
> <http://arnowelzel.de/wp/en/tools/spoke-length-calculator>
> 
> <http://playground.arnowelzel.de/>
> 
> And JavaScript:
> 
> <http://arnowelzel.de/wp/en/tools/gpx-viewer>
> 
> And and example in JavaScript combined with server side stuff to show
> the use of web sockets:
> 
> <https://arnowelzel.de/tools/chat/>
>

"Other languages are not the topic here."

> A database query in PHP and generating a chart using JavaScript and an
> HTML5 canvas:
> 
> <http://arnowelzel.de/wp/en/tools/statistics>
> 
> And some of the web sites I run (some of them for many years now):
> 
> <http://arnowelzel.de>
> 
> <http://de-rec-fahrrad.de>
> 
> <http://criticalmass-augsburg.de>
> 
> So - where are your examples of your work? Do you even have a website as
> an example of your expertise? I don't know of any so far. Any publications?
> 
> 

Most of my work has been for major companies such as IBM,, Intel, Boeing
and others.  Other work is for the U.S. Government.  I don't need to
show my work, especially to trolls like you.  My reputation amongst
businesses gets me plenty of work.

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#15970

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2015-12-22 18:02 +0100
Message-ID<12855032.mf15SGmaGO@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#15961
Arno Welzel wrote:

> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-22 um 01:19:
>> On 12/21/2015 6:33 PM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>>> Besides: I know "developers" who have done "web development" for years
>>> and their code quality hasn't improved in the slightest during this
>>> time.
>> I started back in about 1991.  But I was on arpanet long before that.
> 
> I see. You want to say that you noticed the invention of HTML and HTTP
> in 1991. But there was no "web" yet you could develop anything for, just
> the site of CERN followed by some other university sites in 1992.
> 
> Even in 1993 there where less then 200 web sites world wide and Yahoo
> started in 1994 with about 2800 web sites world wide.
> 
> So don't tell you started "web development" in 1991 - this is just
> impossible.

To be fair, he did not say “in 1991”, but “in *about* 1991”.  Have mercy 
with the grumpy old man, he is thinking in decades already.  You see, he 
just barely remembered that in the 1990s he learned what he thinks is Web 
development, and guessed the year just slightly wrong :->
 
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#15960

FromArno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Date2015-12-22 14:47 +0100
Message-ID<56795460.1020402@arnowelzel.de>
In reply to#15936
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-21 um 17:04:

> On 12/21/2015 9:30 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:

[Using a central index.php to handle requests]
>>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
>>> Programmers developing a site from scratch know there are better ways of
>>> doing things.
>>
>> You have no clue what you are talking about.
>>
>> In order to disprove your hastily generalized statement I need only one
>> counter-example:
>>
>> <https://magento.com/>
>>  
> 
> Which is a cms.  I rest my case.

JFTR: Magento is an eCommerce system aka "online shop solution":

<https://magento.com/products/overview>

Typical examples for a CMS would be Joomla, Typo3, WordPress etc..


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#15966

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-22 11:04 -0500
Message-ID<n5bs58$qll$2@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15960
On 12/22/2015 8:47 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-21 um 17:04:
> 
>> On 12/21/2015 9:30 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> 
> [Using a central index.php to handle requests]
>>>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
>>>> Programmers developing a site from scratch know there are better ways of
>>>> doing things.
>>>
>>> You have no clue what you are talking about.
>>>
>>> In order to disprove your hastily generalized statement I need only one
>>> counter-example:
>>>
>>> <https://magento.com/>
>>>  
>>
>> Which is a cms.  I rest my case.
> 
> JFTR: Magento is an eCommerce system aka "online shop solution":
> 
> <https://magento.com/products/overview>
> 
> Typical examples for a CMS would be Joomla, Typo3, WordPress etc..
> 
> 

Which is just a specialized CMS.  But you're too stoopid to understand that.

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#15971

FromArno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Date2015-12-22 18:22 +0100
Message-ID<567986D3.6050308@arnowelzel.de>
In reply to#15966
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-22 um 17:04:

> On 12/22/2015 8:47 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
[...]
>> JFTR: Magento is an eCommerce system aka "online shop solution":
>>
>> <https://magento.com/products/overview>
>>
>> Typical examples for a CMS would be Joomla, Typo3, WordPress etc..
>>
>>
> 
> Which is just a specialized CMS.  But you're too stoopid to understand that.

And you are too ignorant to use technical terms in a *precise* manner.

An eCommerce platform is *not* a CMS just because there is content. But
I assume you also call Trac a "wiki" - or no, Trac is also a CMS for
you, as one can somehow manage content with it.

Well - AFAIR you also call Apache httpd an "application server". Another
example of your imprecise use of technical terms.


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#15973

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-22 12:33 -0500
Message-ID<n5c1br$g83$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15971
On 12/22/2015 12:22 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-22 um 17:04:
> 
>> On 12/22/2015 8:47 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> [...]
>>> JFTR: Magento is an eCommerce system aka "online shop solution":
>>>
>>> <https://magento.com/products/overview>
>>>
>>> Typical examples for a CMS would be Joomla, Typo3, WordPress etc..
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Which is just a specialized CMS.  But you're too stoopid to understand that.
> 
> And you are too ignorant to use technical terms in a *precise* manner.
> 
> An eCommerce platform is *not* a CMS just because there is content. But
> I assume you also call Trac a "wiki" - or no, Trac is also a CMS for
> you, as one can somehow manage content with it.
> 
> Well - AFAIR you also call Apache httpd an "application server". Another
> example of your imprecise use of technical terms.
> 
> 

You have no idea what a CMS is.  But that's just like the troll you are.

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#15975

FromArno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Date2015-12-22 18:46 +0100
Message-ID<56798C66.8090108@arnowelzel.de>
In reply to#15973
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-22 um 18:33:

> On 12/22/2015 12:22 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-12-22 um 17:04:
>>
>>> On 12/22/2015 8:47 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> JFTR: Magento is an eCommerce system aka "online shop solution":
>>>>
>>>> <https://magento.com/products/overview>
>>>>
>>>> Typical examples for a CMS would be Joomla, Typo3, WordPress etc..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which is just a specialized CMS.  But you're too stoopid to understand that.
>>
>> And you are too ignorant to use technical terms in a *precise* manner.
>>
>> An eCommerce platform is *not* a CMS just because there is content. But
>> I assume you also call Trac a "wiki" - or no, Trac is also a CMS for
>> you, as one can somehow manage content with it.
>>
>> Well - AFAIR you also call Apache httpd an "application server". Another
>> example of your imprecise use of technical terms.
>>
>>
> 
> You have no idea what a CMS is.  But that's just like the troll you are.

*ROTFL*

*scnr* F'Up to poster.


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#15937

From"Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de>
Date2015-12-21 17:25 +0100
Message-ID<n5995k$7bc$1@solani.org>
In reply to#15935
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> 
>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
>> Programmers developing a site from scratch know there are better ways of
>> doing things.
> 
> You have no clue what you are talking about.
> 
> In order to disprove your hastily generalized statement I need only one
> counter-example:
> 
> <https://magento.com/>

ACK.  However, for a more general case, see Martin Fowler's description
of the front controller pattern:

<http://martinfowler.com/eaaCatalog/frontController.html>

-- 
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#15938

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2015-12-21 23:17 +0100
Message-ID<5131195.4d26jNU0Ms@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#15937
Christoph M. Becker wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.

JFTR: Strawman.  I had _not_ said that *everything* should be triggered from 
index.php.

>>> Programmers developing a site from scratch know there are better ways of
>>> doing things.
>> 
>> You have no clue what you are talking about.
>> 
>> In order to disprove your hastily generalized statement I need only one
>> counter-example:
>> 
>> <https://magento.com/>
> 
> ACK.  However, for a more general case, see Martin Fowler's description
> of the front controller pattern:
> 
> <http://martinfowler.com/eaaCatalog/frontController.html>

Thanks.  Magento (an e-commerce platform), the Magento Framework, and Zend 
Framework-2-based Web applications in general (which are not all CMSs) make 
use of that pattern.

<http://devdocs.magento.com/guides/m1x/magefordev/mage-for-dev-3.html>
<http://framework.zend.com/manual/current/en/user-guide/routing-and-controllers.html>

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#15945

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-21 19:23 -0500
Message-ID<n5a51e$l5g$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15938
On 12/21/2015 5:17 PM, Thomas 'Pointed Head' Lahn wrote:
> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> 
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
> 
> JFTR: Strawman.  I had _not_ said that *everything* should be triggered from 
> index.php.
> 

ROFLMAO!  You said *exactly* that!  And now you try to deny it.

>>>> Programmers developing a site from scratch know there are better ways of
>>>> doing things.
>>>
>>> You have no clue what you are talking about.
>>>
>>> In order to disprove your hastily generalized statement I need only one
>>> counter-example:
>>>
>>> <https://magento.com/>
>>
>> ACK.  However, for a more general case, see Martin Fowler's description
>> of the front controller pattern:
>>
>> <http://martinfowler.com/eaaCatalog/frontController.html>
> 
> Thanks.  Magento (an e-commerce platform), the Magento Framework, and Zend 
> Framework-2-based Web applications in general (which are not all CMSs) make 
> use of that pattern.
> 
> <http://devdocs.magento.com/guides/m1x/magefordev/mage-for-dev-3.html>
> <http://framework.zend.com/manual/current/en/user-guide/routing-and-controllers.html>
> 

Not a CMS?  ROFLMAO!

Unlike you, I've worked with Magento.  They're good for what they do - I
admit that.  But they are a CMS - nothing more, nothing less.

You just are too stoopid to understand what a CMS is.

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#15996

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2015-12-28 15:26 +0100
Message-ID<1535700.EMr0ZOzjxF@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#15945
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> On 12/21/2015 5:17 PM, Thomas 'Pointed Head' Lahn wrote:
>> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
>> JFTR: Strawman.  I had _not_ said that *everything* should be triggered
>> from index.php.
> 
> ROFLMAO!  You said *exactly* that!  And now you try to deny it.

,-<news:2838299.zdqeYZrqYU@PointedEars.de>
| > Use of ob_start before the code generates 'normal' output so that the
| > program can present custom error information if something goes wrong.
| 
| Again, that is something better enabled for the whole site (in index.php, 
| which should trigger almost everything else)
                       ^^^^^^

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#15997

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2015-12-28 10:02 -0500
Message-ID<n5rip9$j4f$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15996
On 12/28/2015 9:26 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> 
>> On 12/21/2015 5:17 PM, Thomas 'Pointed Head' Lahn wrote:
>>> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
>>> JFTR: Strawman.  I had _not_ said that *everything* should be triggered
>>> from index.php.
>>
>> ROFLMAO!  You said *exactly* that!  And now you try to deny it.
> 
> ,-<news:2838299.zdqeYZrqYU@PointedEars.de>
> | > Use of ob_start before the code generates 'normal' output so that the
> | > program can present custom error information if something goes wrong.
> | 
> | Again, that is something better enabled for the whole site (in index.php, 
> | which should trigger almost everything else)
>                        ^^^^^^
> 

Which is only a minor difference.  You run virtually everything through
index.php - something that's crappy programming except when most of your
code is stored in a database as in a CMS.


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#15998

FromGregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com>
Date2015-12-28 18:14 +0100
Message-ID<n5rqg4$i51$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15997
Am 2015-12-28 um 16:02 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
> On 12/28/2015 9:26 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/21/2015 5:17 PM, Thomas 'Pointed Head' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>>>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>>>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
>>>> JFTR: Strawman.  I had _not_ said that *everything* should be triggered
>>>> from index.php.
>>>
>>> ROFLMAO!  You said *exactly* that!  And now you try to deny it.
>>
>> ,-<news:2838299.zdqeYZrqYU@PointedEars.de>
>> | > Use of ob_start before the code generates 'normal' output so that the
>> | > program can present custom error information if something goes wrong.
>> | 
>> | Again, that is something better enabled for the whole site (in index.php, 
>> | which should trigger almost everything else)
>>                        ^^^^^^
>>
> 
> Which is only a minor difference.  You run virtually everything through
> index.php - something that's crappy programming except when most of your
> code is stored in a database as in a CMS.

I have whole web applications without database backend running "through
index.php". And my code is primarily stored in so-called controllers or
so-called services. (What's "code stored in a database" supposed to be,
anyway?)

Since this is the approach of quite a few (if not most) major web
application frameworks out there - everyone using such one relies on
"crappy programming"?

Since you consider it "crappy programming" - can you explain *why*?

Gregor

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