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  Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-13 16:51 +0200
    Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-13 11:59 -0400
      Re: Komodo Edit Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-07-13 19:51 +0200
        Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-14 10:12 +0200
          Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 11:47 +0200
            Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-14 12:06 +0200
              Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 12:42 +0200
                Re: Komodo Edit Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-07-14 18:58 +0100
                  Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 21:09 +0200
                    Re: Komodo Edit Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-07-14 20:18 +0100
                      Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 21:58 +0200
                  Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:03 +0200
                    Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-15 12:37 -0400
                      Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-16 03:04 +0200
                        Re: Komodo Edit The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-07-16 09:11 +0100
                          Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-16 07:50 -0400
              Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-14 09:31 -0400
                Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:00 +0200
          Re: Komodo Edit "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2013-07-14 08:20 -0500
            Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:06 +0200
      Re: Komodo Edit Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-07-15 11:04 -0700
        Re: Komodo Edit Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-07-15 15:04 -0700
    Re: Komodo Edit richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-07-13 14:55 -0400
      Re: Komodo Edit Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-07-13 19:42 +0000
      Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-14 09:49 +0200
        Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-14 09:33 -0400
          Re: Komodo Edit richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-07-14 12:51 -0400
            Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-14 13:24 -0400
        Re: Komodo Edit richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-07-14 12:45 -0400
          Re: Komodo Edit Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-07-14 11:12 -0700
            Re: Komodo Edit Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-14 21:05 +0200
              Re: Komodo Edit Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-07-14 13:28 -0700
                Re: Komodo Edit Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-07-14 17:25 -0700
                  Re: Komodo Edit Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-07-14 20:15 -0700
                    Re: Komodo Edit Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-07-14 23:08 -0700
                      Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:50 +0200
                        Re: Komodo Edit Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-07-15 18:04 +0100
                    Re: Komodo Edit Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-07-15 08:24 +0100
            Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:19 +0200
              Re: Komodo Edit The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-07-15 17:08 +0100
              Re: Komodo Edit Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-07-15 10:42 -0700
                Re: Komodo Edit Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-07-15 15:08 -0400
                  Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-16 03:47 +0200
                Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-16 03:09 +0200
          Re: Komodo Edit Mitch Bujard <cli.mb@schoolfonts.com> - 2013-07-15 17:08 +0200

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#10076 — Komodo Edit

I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for 
long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where 
loops and conditional where not indented.

Mitch
http://www.FontMenu.com
---
Experience is the best teacher.

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#10077

On 7/13/2013 10:51 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where loops
> and conditional where not indented.
>
> Mitch
> http://www.FontMenu.com
> ---
> Experience is the best teacher.
>

Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE. 
Personally, I prefer Eclipse.  It's completely free and has more 
features available.  But then I use it for Java, also.

-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

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#10078

Jerry Stuckle, 2013-07-13 17:59:

> On 7/13/2013 10:51 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where loops
>> and conditional where not indented.
>>
>> Mitch
>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>> ---
>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>
> 
> Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE. 
> Personally, I prefer Eclipse.  It's completely free and has more 
> features available.  But then I use it for Java, also.

+1

;-)


-- 
Arno Welzel
http://arnowelzel.de
http://de-rec-fahrrad.de

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#10083

On 2013-07-13 17:51:09 +0000, Arno Welzel said:

>> Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE.
>> Personally, I prefer Eclipse.  It's completely free and has more
>> features available.  But then I use it for Java, also.

So far, the most convenient I found for php is Komodo free. I see no 
use for the very expensive thing.

I played with Eclipse. It probably is better for Java, but I find it 
somehow cumbersome for php.

Thank you for the pointer, though.

Mitch
http://www.FontMenu.com
See "Oloron Program font" at http://www.fontmenu.com/site/_program.html
for a font that shows braces, brackets and useful programming symbols in *BOLD*
---
I am extremely patient provided I get my own way in the end.
Maggy Thatcher

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#10091

Mitch Bujard wrote:

> On 2013-07-13 17:51:09 +0000, Arno Welzel said:
>>> Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE.
>>> Personally, I prefer Eclipse.  It's completely free and has more
>>> features available.  But then I use it for Java, also.
> 
> So far, the most convenient I found for php is Komodo free. I see no
> use for the very expensive thing.
> 
> I played with Eclipse. It probably is better for Java,

Urban myth. [0]  I have been or I am using Eclipse (currently 4.3 “Kepler”) 
for (from A to Z):

- Android development (that is only partially Java) (ADT by Google)
- C/C++ (C/C++ Development Tools, CDT)
- CSS (Web Tools Platform, WTP)
- Databases and SQL development (Data Tools Platform, DTP)
- (X)HTML (WTP)
- i18n with gettext (gted by Simon Martinelli)
- Java (Java Development Tools, JDT)
- JavaScript and other ECMAScript implementations (JSDT in WTP)
- LaTeX (TeXlipse)
- Perl (Eclipse Perl Integration, EPIC)
- PHP (PHP Development Tools, PDT)
- Prolog (Prolog Development Tools by University of Bonn)
- Python (PyDev by Fabio Zadrozny)
- Regular expressions (QuickREx by Bastian Bergerhoff)
- Shellscripts
- SVN integration (Subversive by Polarion)
- Task-based editing and planning, Bugzilla and Mantis integration (Mylyn)
- Tcl/Expect (Dynamic Languages Toolkit, DLT)
- UML (ArgoEclipse)
- XML applications (like MathML, SVG, XSLT etc.) (WTP)
- other languages and file formats (EclipseColorer or embedded editors)

With proper configuration, no memory or speed issues even on this older 
notebook.

I will probably be using it soon for

- git integration (EGit)

(Needless to say, I am a Friend of Eclipse.)

> but I find it somehow cumbersome for php.

In what way?

Zend Studio [1] is based on Eclipse PHP Development Tools (PDT) [2].  
Eclipse and PDT are for free; Zend Studio is only for free for ZCEs or 
during a 30 days trial period.  By contrast to Komodo IDE, all of them are 
available for more than two operating systems as they are based on Java.

I am currently using PDT 3.2 and find it very useful instead of cumbersome, 
although I am looking forward to Zend Studio's advanced features. [3]

> Mitch
> http://www.FontMenu.com
> See "Oloron Program font" at http://www.fontmenu.com/site/_program.html
> for a font that shows braces, brackets and useful programming symbols in
> *BOLD* ---
> I am extremely patient provided I get my own way in the end.
> Maggy Thatcher

Your signature is very borken. [4, 5]  Please fix, see below.


PointedEars
___________
[0] <http://www.eclipse.org/projects/> pp.
[1] <http://www.zend.com/products/studio/>
[2] <http://projects.eclipse.org/projects/tools.pdt>
[3] <http://www.zend.com/en/products/studio/comparison>
[4] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block>
[5] <http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855>
-- 
> If you get a bunch of authors […] that state the same "best practices"
> in any programming language, then you can bet who is wrong or right...
Not with javascript. Nonsense propagates like wildfire in this field.
  -- Richard Cornford, comp.lang.javascript, 2011-11-14

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#10092

On 2013-07-14 09:47:39 +0000, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn said:

> Urban myth. [0]  I have been or I am using Eclipse (currently 4.3 “Kepler”)
> for (from A to Z):

I was sharing my feeling about that program. Of course, you needed to 
assert your ego by stating 'Urban myth'. Need to alwatys have the last 
word and demean others ? That indicate a low self estime. Not agressive 
statement like you. Simple observation.

If TPE then exit ;

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#10093

Mitch Bujard wrote:

> On 2013-07-14 09:47:39 +0000, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn said:
>> Urban myth. [0]  I have been or I am using Eclipse (currently 4.3
>> “Kepler”) for (from A to Z):
> 
> I was sharing my feeling about that program.

And I was telling you about my overall positive experience with it that does 
not confirm your feeling.  You should be grateful that I did that instead of 
complaining.

> Of course, you needed to assert your ego by stating 'Urban myth'.

I beg your pardon?  It *is* an urban myth that because Eclipse started out 
as a Java IDE it is only good or “probably better” for Java development.  
That needed to be rectified, and it needed to be mentioned that as Zend, 
“the *PHP* company”, is building their IDE on top of the Eclipse platform 
and have it based on PDT.

> Need to alwatys have the last word and demean others ?

In what way has my posting demeaned you?

> That indicate a low self estime.

No, your reaction indicates that instead.  And a poor command of the English 
language (it is spelled _esteem_).

> Not agressive statement like you.

In which way was the information I kindly provided to you and other 
subscribers of the newsgroup *in my free time* *aggressive*?

> Simple observation.

You are deluding yourself or have been mislead by others.
 
> If TPE then exit ;

<http://www.gnurou.org/writing/smartquestionsfr#mozTocId304399>


Score adjusted

PointedEars
-- 
Use any version of Microsoft Frontpage to create your site.
(This won't prevent people from viewing your source, but no one
will want to steal it.)
  -- from <http://www.vortex-webdesign.com/help/hidesource.htm> (404-comp.)

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#10100

In article <1471795.Z8K514hNnD@PointedEars.de>,
 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

> Mitch Bujard wrote:

> > That indicate a low self estime.
> 
> No, your reaction indicates that instead.  And a poor command of the English 
> language (it is spelled _esteem_).

and "broken" is not spelled "borken", a mistake you frequently make.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#10103

Tim Streater wrote:

>  Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>> Mitch Bujard wrote:
>> > That indicate a low self estime.
>> 
>> No, your reaction indicates that instead.  And a poor command of the
>> English language (it is spelled _esteem_).
> 
> and "broken" is not spelled "borken", a mistake you frequently make.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borken>
<http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/borken.html>
<http://cosman246.com/jargon.html#borken>


PointedEars
-- 
> If you get a bunch of authors […] that state the same "best practices"
> in any programming language, then you can bet who is wrong or right...
Not with javascript. Nonsense propagates like wildfire in this field.
  -- Richard Cornford, comp.lang.javascript, 2011-11-14

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#10104

In article <1508882.No4yIBAXv2@PointedEars.de>,
 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

> Tim Streater wrote:
> 
> >  Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> >> Mitch Bujard wrote:
> >> > That indicate a low self estime.
> >> 
> >> No, your reaction indicates that instead.  And a poor command of the
> >> English language (it is spelled _esteem_).
> > 
> > and "broken" is not spelled "borken", a mistake you frequently make.
> 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borken>
> <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/borken.html>
> <http://cosman246.com/jargon.html#borken>

So you're admitting that either you're a dweeb or you like to write in a 
way so as to exclude common, ordinary people. Or perhaps both.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#10105

Tim Streater wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>> Tim Streater wrote:
>> >  Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>> >> Mitch Bujard wrote:
>> >> > That indicate a low self estime.
>> >> 
>> >> No, your reaction indicates that instead.  And a poor command of the
>> >> English language (it is spelled _esteem_).
>> > 
>> > and "broken" is not spelled "borken", a mistake you frequently make.
>> 
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borken>
>> <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/borken.html>
>> <http://cosman246.com/jargon.html#borken>
> 
> So you're admitting that either you're a dweeb or you like to write in a
> way so as to exclude common, ordinary people. Or perhaps both.

You have misspelled “I, Tim, should be admitted because I, blissfully 
ignorant and entirely without humor, move into a subculture and criticize 
people there for the jargon they are therefore using.” only slightly.


F'up2 where it belongs

PointedEars
-- 
When all you know is jQuery, every problem looks $(olvable).

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#10117

On 2013-07-14 17:58:02 +0000, Tim Streater said:

> In article <1471795.Z8K514hNnD@PointedEars.de>,
>  Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> 
>> Mitch Bujard wrote:
> 
>>> That indicate a low self estime.
>> 
>> No, your reaction indicates that instead.  And a poor command of the 
>> English language (it is spelled _esteem_).
> 
> and "broken" is not spelled "borken", a mistake you frequently make.

What does that have to do with the topic ? You can't exist beyond being 
nasty ? Incapable of bearing fruits ? Incapable of having command of 
any other human language ? Forced to point out others defects because 
you can bear yours ? Go away, troll. I shall kill all your messages 
from now on.

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#10123

On 7/15/2013 11:03 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> On 2013-07-14 17:58:02 +0000, Tim Streater said:
>
>> In article <1471795.Z8K514hNnD@PointedEars.de>,
>>  Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>
>>>> That indicate a low self estime.
>>>
>>> No, your reaction indicates that instead.  And a poor command of the
>>> English language (it is spelled _esteem_).
>>
>> and "broken" is not spelled "borken", a mistake you frequently make.
>
> What does that have to do with the topic ? You can't exist beyond being
> nasty ? Incapable of bearing fruits ? Incapable of having command of any
> other human language ? Forced to point out others defects because you
> can bear yours ? Go away, troll. I shall kill all your messages from now
> on.
>

Mitch,

Tim is just calling a known troll on his posts.  Pointed Head is well 
known for worthless, off-topic posts, often times criticizing people on 
their spelling or choice of words just so he can stroke his ego.


-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

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#10129

On 2013-07-15 16:37:13 +0000, Jerry Stuckle said:

> Tim is just calling a known troll on his posts.  Pointed Head is well 
> known for worthless, off-topic posts, often times criticizing people on 
> their spelling or choice of words just so he can stroke his ego.

Oups. Sorry.

Mitch
Typing too fast

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#10132

On 16/07/13 02:04, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> On 2013-07-15 16:37:13 +0000, Jerry Stuckle said:
>
>> Tim is just calling a known troll on his posts.  Pointed Head is well 
>> known for worthless, off-topic posts, often times criticizing people 
>> on their spelling or choice of words just so he can stroke his ego.
>
> Oups. Sorry.
>
Stuckle is the troll. Luhn is pedantic, a pain, but usually correct.
Stuckle is pedantic, , a pain, and always wrong, or at best utterly 
irrelevant.
.

> Mitch
> Typing too fast
>


-- 
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

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#10133

On 7/16/2013 4:11 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 16/07/13 02:04, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>> On 2013-07-15 16:37:13 +0000, Jerry Stuckle said:
>>
>>> Tim is just calling a known troll on his posts.  Pointed Head is well
>>> known for worthless, off-topic posts, often times criticizing people
>>> on their spelling or choice of words just so he can stroke his ego.
>>
>> Oups. Sorry.
>>
> Stuckle is the troll. Luhn is pedantic, a pain, but usually correct.
> Stuckle is pedantic, , a pain, and always wrong, or at best utterly
> irrelevant.
> .
>

Ah, the troll who is afraid to use his real name speaks up again.  Why 
is that - is it because you're not really the programmer or EE you claim 
to be (we already know that)?  In reality you're an out of work ditch 
digger who got fired for not knowing which end of the shovel to use?

-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

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#10095

On 7/14/2013 6:06 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> On 2013-07-14 09:47:39 +0000, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn said:
>
>> Urban myth. [0]  I have been or I am using Eclipse (currently 4.3
>> “Kepler”)
>> for (from A to Z):
>
> I was sharing my feeling about that program. Of course, you needed to
> assert your ego by stating 'Urban myth'. Need to alwatys have the last
> word and demean others ? That indicate a low self estime. Not agressive
> statement like you. Simple observation.
>
> If TPE then exit ;
>

Don't worry about "Pointed Head".  He's a well known troll (in several 
newsgroups).

I think if you were to work with Eclipse more you might find it more 
usable.  It does take a bit of getting used to, but it does a lot more 
than Komodo's free version.  Debugging PHP is one great example.  I also 
find it easier to manage multiple projects than Komodo.

Eclipse is a full IDE, not just an editor.  I used to use Komodo's free 
version (I like it) and tried their paid version (it was OK).  But I 
eventually switched to Eclipse.  I find it much better.

-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

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#10116

On 2013-07-14 13:31:20 +0000, Jerry Stuckle said:

> On 7/14/2013 6:06 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>> On 2013-07-14 09:47:39 +0000, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn said:
>> 
>>> Urban myth. [0]  I have been or I am using Eclipse (currently 4.3
>>> “Kepler”)
>>> for (from A to Z):
>> 
>> I was sharing my feeling about that program. Of course, you needed to
>> assert your ego by stating 'Urban myth'. Need to alwatys have the last
>> word and demean others ? That indicate a low self estime. Not agressive
>> statement like you. Simple observation.
>> 
>> If TPE then exit ;
>> 
> 
> Don't worry about "Pointed Head".  He's a well known troll (in several 
> newsgroups).
> 
> I think if you were to work with Eclipse more you might find it more 
> usable.  It does take a bit of getting used to, but it does a lot more 
> than Komodo's free version.  Debugging PHP is one great example.  I 
> also find it easier to manage multiple projects than Komodo.
> 
> Eclipse is a full IDE, not just an editor.  I used to use Komodo's free 
> version (I like it) and tried their paid version (it was OK).  But I 
> eventually switched to Eclipse.  I find it much better.

Thanks. I shall go back to it and experiment a little more, then. Thanks !

Mitch
http://www.FontMenu.com
---
Just spent hours trying to implement Paypal IPN and hated it all the way. 

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#10094

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:12:29 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:

> On 2013-07-13 17:51:09 +0000, Arno Welzel said:
>
>>> Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE.
>>> Personally, I prefer Eclipse. It's completely free and has more
>>> features available. But then I use it for Java, also.
>
> So far, the most convenient I found for php is Komodo free. I see no
> use for the very expensive thing.
>
> I played with Eclipse. It probably is better for Java, but I find it
> somehow cumbersome for php.

Can you explain even hypothetically how that could be? You type with
the same fingers in both languages, both can use syntax coloration
in similar ways, if there's a syntax checker it is 99.44% likely to
use a set of rules to do the checking and there's nothing about java
that's more amenable to rules-based syntax checking than php is, both
do version-control things using exactly the same tools and the the
build-test cycle doesn't look particularly different. There may be
differences in what debuggers might be used but those are all plug-ins
anyway as far as I know. So what "better for Java" are you thinking of?

Or are you just pulling that out of your colon so you have something
contradictory to say?

-- 
"The bullets are just his way of saying 'Keep it down, I've got a
hangover.'"
Kiki to Dr. Schlock, as seen in 
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#10118

On 2013-07-14 13:20:56 +0000, Peter H. Coffin said:

> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:12:29 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> 
>> On 2013-07-13 17:51:09 +0000, Arno Welzel said:
>> 
>>>> Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE.
>>>> Personally, I prefer Eclipse. It's completely free and has more
>>>> features available. But then I use it for Java, also.
>> 
>> So far, the most convenient I found for php is Komodo free. I see no
>> use for the very expensive thing.
>> 
>> I played with Eclipse. It probably is better for Java, but I find it
>> somehow cumbersome for php.
> 
> Can you explain even hypothetically how that could be? You type with
> the same fingers in both languages, both can use syntax coloration
> in similar ways, if there's a syntax checker it is 99.44% likely to
> use a set of rules to do the checking and there's nothing about java
> that's more amenable to rules-based syntax checking than php is, both
> do version-control things using exactly the same tools and the the
> build-test cycle doesn't look particularly different. There may be
> differences in what debuggers might be used but those are all plug-ins
> anyway as far as I know. So what "better for Java" are you thinking of?
> 
> Or are you just pulling that out of your colon so you have something
> contradictory to say?

Can't you just try to be civilized and refrain from colonics ? Unlike 
you, I do not need to be nasty to exchange ideas and respect others 
opinions.

I could have read your thoughts and even thanked you for sharing them, 
if you did not have to fall into vulgarity.

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