Re: Nested PHP

From	"Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.php
Subject	Re: Nested PHP
Date	2014-03-17 17:10 -0500
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 15:33:13 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> What does a data base do well?
> - breaks the directory hierarchy of data
> - moves the data outside of the actual era directly accessible to te web 
> server
> - provides a one point of backup
> - adds a security of access to the data and code not easily done in 
> other ways.

Oh dear... Let's start with that SQL was developed to run on a machine
that had no directory hierarchy, had no web, didn't even really have
a concept of "file" that was distinct from "table", and backing stuff
up was a matter of "saving things", because you had no idea whether
something was in memory or disk and didn't care. The security wasn't
added on because the whole OS was pretty indistinguishable from the
database. Everything you've mentioned is a side-effect of the database,
not intrinsic to its use. You wanna run at this again? Nevermind,
I'll just tell you. A database allows you to separate data from
application in a way that allows you to change the data, including its
interdependant relationships and qualities, without necessarily changing
the application.

The data comes first. Anytime you're starting with the application
first, you're working not with a database, but rather with a "storage
subsystem". Which is all fine and dandy, but it slaps you with richard
problems forever, in varying severity, until you give up, start over
with the data, and do it right.

-- 
34. I will not turn into a snake. It never helps.
	--Peter Anspach's list of things to do as an Evil Overlord

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Nested PHP adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) - 2014-02-10 20:24 +0000
  Re: Nested PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-02-10 15:56 -0500
    Re: Nested PHP adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) - 2014-02-10 21:44 +0000
      Re: Nested PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-02-10 16:51 -0500
        Re: Nested PHP "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2014-02-11 08:14 -0600
          Re: Nested PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-02-11 09:27 -0500
            Re: Nested PHP "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2014-02-11 18:41 -0600
              Re: Nested PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-02-11 20:03 -0500
                Re: Nested PHP adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) - 2014-02-12 10:13 +0000
                Re: Nested PHP Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-12 10:33 +0000
                Re: Nested PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-02-12 06:30 -0500
                Re: Nested PHP adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) - 2014-02-12 12:52 +0000
                Re: Nested PHP The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-02-12 13:11 +0000
                Re: Nested PHP Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-13 06:55 +0000
                Re: Nested PHP "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2014-02-13 12:02 -0600
                Re: Nested PHP Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2014-02-12 12:14 +0000
      Re: Nested PHP The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-02-10 22:09 +0000
      Re: Nested PHP Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-02-10 23:23 +0100
      Re: Nested PHP Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-10 22:27 +0000
      Re: Nested PHP Geoff Muldoon <geoff.muldoon@trap.gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 09:30 +1100
      Re: Nested PHP Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 23:06 +0000
        Re: Nested PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-02-10 20:46 -0500
          Re: Nested PHP adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) - 2014-02-11 10:11 +0000
            Re: Nested PHP Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-11 11:17 +0000
              Re: Nested PHP adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) - 2014-02-11 12:01 +0000
                Re: Nested PHP Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-11 12:45 +0000
                Re: Nested PHP Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-02-11 13:55 +0100
                Re: Nested PHP Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 13:29 +0000
                Re: Nested PHP adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) - 2014-02-11 14:31 +0000
                Re: Nested PHP Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 17:24 +0000
            Re: Nested PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-02-11 08:15 -0500
              Re: Nested PHP adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) - 2014-02-11 14:31 +0000
                Re: Nested PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-02-11 10:10 -0500
                Re: Nested PHP adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) - 2014-02-11 15:31 +0000
                Re: Nested PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-02-11 11:24 -0500
                Re: Nested PHP adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) - 2014-02-12 10:13 +0000
                Re: Nested PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-02-12 06:33 -0500
                Re: Nested PHP Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-02-11 15:26 +0000
            Re: Nested PHP Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-02-11 14:41 +0000
              Re: Nested PHP adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) - 2014-02-11 15:31 +0000
                Re: Nested PHP Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-02-11 15:53 +0000
                Re: Nested PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-02-11 11:26 -0500
      Re: Nested PHP bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2014-02-11 07:12 -0500
  Re: Nested PHP richard <noreply@example.com> - 2014-02-12 09:33 -0500
    Re: Nested PHP Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-13 06:47 +0000
      Re: Nested PHP Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2014-02-13 05:01 -0800
        Re: Nested PHP Evan Platt <evan@theobvious.espphotography.com.invalid> - 2014-02-14 07:19 -0800
          Re: Nested PHP Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2014-02-14 10:43 -0800
  Re: Nested PHP Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2014-03-02 15:54 +0100
    Re: Nested PHP adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) - 2014-03-02 18:10 +0000
    Re: Nested PHP The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-03-03 11:38 +0000
      Re: Nested PHP Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2014-03-17 15:26 +0100
        Re: Nested PHP Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-03-17 10:52 -0400
        Re: Nested PHP The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-03-17 15:33 +0000
          Re: Nested PHP "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2014-03-17 17:10 -0500
            Re: Nested PHP The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-03-17 23:01 +0000
              Re: Nested PHP Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-03-18 00:31 +0100
                Re: Nested PHP The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-03-18 13:10 +0000
  Re: Nested PHP Gabe <usenet@moojuice.net> - 2014-03-17 15:18 +0000

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