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Re: Ecommerce site - how?

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J.O.

> No, it's not an issue with ISP, it's the e-commerce site which is the
issue.

Ofcourse it is !   I guess when your bike has a flat tire you will complain
to the brick-and-mortar store too ? /s

> So you mean that ISP should provide the worse possible customer
> experience so that badly designed e-commerce sites would keep on
> working?

One) Nope (who the heck said that ?   I'm rather sure I didn't).    But as
you are amadant that problems (knowingly!) created by your ISP (and others)
should be solved by whomever you want to connect to -- of which an
e-commerse site is just one, as I've been trying to explain a few times
now -- I don't think we have anything to discuss anymore.

Two) Its your ISP with its "lets change IPs whenever we like it"* who is the
one who is be causing the "worst possible customer experience", no matter
what site/server you connect to.   SSL connections will be dropped, logging
in will be broken for the same reason.

*something I do not even believe they do, as also explained.

> Yes, it will be part of the same http post, but that don't mean it will
> be automatically added to CSRF request.

The are part of the same http request, but not of the CSRF request ?   You
have to explain that one to me I'm afraid.  And no, I'm not going to scour
that site in search of what you might be thinking of.  Either you link to or
quote it, or I'm going to consider this matter closed (don't want to waste
more time at it as I've already done).

> Yes, if he finds current one, he will find the previous one too,

Nope.   And believe me, as thats my experience with searching the interwebs
speaking there.  Sometimes you can, but more often you don't.

> unless using some obscure search engine that just index one message in
each thread.

That must be it !  Now I understand.  Google is just one of those "obscure
search engine"s you're talking about ! /s

> It's just extra work on your posts with deleting and by the way the your
> news client modifies the "original" text.

Yes, it does.   It follows the RFC for NNTP messages, but does not attempt
any kind of reflow (as it doesn't make any presumtions about the "quote
chars" the different newsgroup clients might be using).  Blame MS for that.
:-)

But hey, what are you doing there ?   I *told* you you could stop at the
indicated line, but you ignored it and than still complain ?   You're really
a piece of work you know. :-D

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
J.O. Aho <user@example.net> schreef in berichtnieuws
ere866Fn9ftU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 06/26/17 22:29, R.Wieser wrote:
>
> >> What about the case when it's time to renew your lease and you
> >> happen to be shopping and your ISP decided it's time for you to
> >> switch to a less busy network.
> >
> > Than you have a  problem with your ISP, and not the e-commerce site.
>
> No, it's not an issue with ISP, it's the e-commerce site which is the
issue.
>
> > Don't be as stupid to expect such a site to solve all the quirks the
> > intermediate ISPs have (purposely, often in full disregard to their
> > customers needs) inserted in their networks.
>
> So you mean that ISP should provide the worse possible customer
> experience so that badly designed e-commerce sites would keep on working?
>
> >> Also keep in mind that IP can also be spoofed in a number of ways,
> >> so keeping track of the IP is no way a good method, it's better to use
> >> request verification tokens.
> >
> > Lol.   I could explain to you that CSRF attack and link hijacking
defense
> > methods must-and-are rather different (the first is done within your
> > browser, the second definitily not), but as you are the one suggesting
it yu
> > must have an idea how its applicable. So, be my guest and explain.
> >
> > And a hint: *both* parts of that "token" are placed in the same HTTP
> > request.
>
> Yes, it will be part of the same http post, but that don't mean it will
> be automatically added to CSRF request. So just make a second visit to
> OWASP and start reading.
>
>
> >> PS. Stop that stupid bottom posting of the previous post, even a
> >> second grade news reader like outlook can manage to keep track
> >> of threads.
> >
> > You're an arrogant, short-sighted shit   Your here-and-now is not the
only
> > thing thats important you know.   Just imagine someone searching the web
for
> > a certain answer, and all he can find is the current  message.   For
that
> > reason I keep a copy of the origional post to at the bottom of my reply.
>
> Yes, if he finds current one, he will find the previous one too, unless
> using some obscure search engine that just index one message in each
thread.
>
> > And if you do not like it, you *could* just stop at the line where I
mention
>
> It's just extra work on your posts with deleting and by the way the your
> news client modifies the "original" text.

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  Re: Ecommerce site - how? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2017-06-25 15:30 +0200
    Re: Ecommerce site - how? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2017-06-25 16:03 +0200
    Re: Ecommerce site - how? gordonb.y152t@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2017-06-26 05:43 -0500
      Re: Ecommerce site - how? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2017-06-26 17:12 +0200
        Re: Ecommerce site - how? "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2017-06-26 17:54 +0200
          Re: Ecommerce site - how? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2017-06-26 19:40 +0200
            Re: Ecommerce site - how? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2017-06-26 21:42 +0200
              Re: Ecommerce site - how? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2017-06-26 23:14 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2017-06-27 00:28 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2017-06-27 10:48 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2017-06-27 07:56 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2017-06-27 12:27 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2017-06-27 19:15 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2017-06-27 22:01 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2017-06-28 07:07 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? Gordon Burditt <gordon@hammy.burditt.org> - 2017-06-30 17:08 -0500
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          Re: Ecommerce site - how? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2017-06-26 19:17 +0200
            Re: Ecommerce site - how? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-06-26 13:34 -0400
              Re: Ecommerce site - how? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2017-06-26 20:11 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2017-06-26 21:31 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2017-06-26 22:29 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2017-06-27 07:19 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2017-06-27 11:24 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2017-06-27 19:43 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2017-06-27 23:09 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2017-06-28 07:12 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-06-27 21:10 -0400
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-06-26 16:32 -0400
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2017-06-27 10:30 +0200
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-06-27 08:38 -0400
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2017-06-27 17:47 +0200
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                Re: Ecommerce site - how? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-06-29 20:41 -0400
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                Re: Ecommerce site - how? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-06-30 07:28 -0400
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                Re: Ecommerce site - how? gordonb.gcghn@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2017-06-30 16:15 -0500
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-06-30 22:35 -0400
                Re: Ecommerce site - how? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2017-06-29 23:46 -0400
        Re: Ecommerce site - how? gordonb.d2wed@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2017-06-29 17:32 -0500
  Re: Ecommerce site - how? bit-naughty@hotmail.com - 2017-06-27 10:58 -0700
    Re: Ecommerce site - how? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-06-27 15:34 -0400
    Re: Ecommerce site - how? gordonb.4psc7@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2017-06-30 16:55 -0500
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        Re: Ecommerce site - how? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-01 09:30 -0400
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