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Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program

From Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.php
Subject Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program
Date 2015-12-28 18:54 +0100
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Am 2015-12-28 um 18:29 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
> On 12/28/2015 12:14 PM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>> Am 2015-12-28 um 16:02 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>> On 12/28/2015 9:26 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/21/2015 5:17 PM, Thomas 'Pointed Head' Lahn wrote:
>>>>>> Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>>>>>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Only someone who uses a CMS triggers everything from index.php.
>>>>>> JFTR: Strawman.  I had _not_ said that *everything* should be triggered
>>>>>> from index.php.
>>>>>
>>>>> ROFLMAO!  You said *exactly* that!  And now you try to deny it.
>>>>
>>>> ,-<news:2838299.zdqeYZrqYU@PointedEars.de>
>>>> | > Use of ob_start before the code generates 'normal' output so that the
>>>> | > program can present custom error information if something goes wrong.
>>>> | 
>>>> | Again, that is something better enabled for the whole site (in index.php, 
>>>> | which should trigger almost everything else)
>>>>                        ^^^^^^
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which is only a minor difference.  You run virtually everything through
>>> index.php - something that's crappy programming except when most of your
>>> code is stored in a database as in a CMS.
>>
>> I have whole web applications without database backend running "through
>> index.php". And my code is primarily stored in so-called controllers or
>> so-called services. (What's "code stored in a database" supposed to be,
>> anyway?)
>>
> 
> Sounds like a pretty poor way of doing things.  And "code stored in a
> database" is exactly that.  The code is stored in a database (typically
> MySQL or PostGreSQL) and exec'd.

So? Does this happen a lot? I doubt that.

>> Since this is the approach of quite a few (if not most) major web
>> application frameworks out there - everyone using such one relies on
>> "crappy programming"?
>>
> 
> Yes, and most of those frameworks store code in a database - ones such
> as Joomla, WordPress, Drupal...  But if you're so knowledgeable about
> those frameworks, you should understand it.

Joomla stores code in the database? Can you back that up? It might store
parameters but no PHP code. I suppose other CMSs behave the same. And I
can back it up - I just looked into a Joomla database.

Besides: When talking about web application frameworks I meant something
like Symfony or ZF, not some ready-made CMS.

>> Since you consider it "crappy programming" - can you explain *why*?

> First of all, it's additional overhead on the server.  It has to
> retrieve the index.php, do some processing, then include the appropriate
> scripts to perform the work.  As opposed to individual scripts, which
> can be retrieved directly via their uri.  Additionally, the index.php
> file often includes virtually any class files or other includes other
> scripts may require.

And your umpteenth directly addressed scripts don't include library files?

> The result is higher resource requirements on the server, resulting in
> higher workload for the server and slower response time to the client.
> Of course, this might not be important to you if you're only serving 10
> pages per hour.  But if you're trying to serve hundreds of pages per
> second, it's a huge difference.

Efficient caching mechanism exist.

You rated the front controller approach generally as "crappy
programming". Now we are already talking about particular application
requirements (hundreds of request per second) ignoring any benefit
stemming from a front controller.

Gregor

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PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 10:03 +0000
  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-19 08:20 -0500
    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 10:16 +0000
      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-20 09:31 -0500
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 17:11 +0000
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-20 16:42 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-25 15:56 +0000
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-25 11:23 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 10:09 +0000
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-26 09:33 -0500
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 22:54 +0000
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-20 18:40 -0500
  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 10:38 +0100
    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 08:41 -0500
      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 15:30 +0100
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 11:04 -0500
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 23:24 +0100
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:16 -0500
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 00:33 +0100
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:19 -0500
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 10:27 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-22 11:18 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 06:34 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-22 16:00 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 10:56 -0500
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 15:56 +0100
                OT: pre-PHP day (was: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program) Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 16:57 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 11:03 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-22 18:02 +0100
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 14:47 +0100
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 11:04 -0500
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 18:22 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 12:33 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 18:46 +0100
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2015-12-21 17:25 +0100
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-21 23:17 +0100
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:23 -0500
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-28 15:26 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 10:02 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-28 18:14 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 12:29 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-28 18:54 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 14:15 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-28 21:18 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 15:49 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-12-28 20:31 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 20:48 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 11:26 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 12:33 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 18:57 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:14 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-30 19:05 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:18 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-12-30 21:55 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-30 22:14 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 22:43 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 22:46 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 22:42 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 09:07 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 07:47 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 16:11 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 10:47 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 17:43 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 13:49 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 20:35 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 11:18 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 12:36 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-30 19:09 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2015-12-30 20:28 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:21 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 09:09 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-30 15:21 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 09:16 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 07:53 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 16:03 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 10:49 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-31 17:16 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 13:54 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-31 20:41 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 14:47 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 20:56 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 15:21 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-31 17:52 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 13:51 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-28 19:35 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-28 14:17 -0500
      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 00:20 +0100
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:27 -0500
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 10:12 +0100
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 06:36 -0500
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 13:57 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 11:05 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2015-12-22 17:22 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 12:01 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-12-22 18:25 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 12:34 -0500
  Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2015-12-21 14:53 -0800
    Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 19:30 -0500
      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-21 21:40 -0500
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-21 21:47 -0500
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 21:55 -0500
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-12-21 21:57 -0500
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 22:01 -0500
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-21 21:54 -0500
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2015-12-22 11:54 -0800
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 15:42 -0500
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-02 11:08 -0800
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-02 15:12 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-04 10:41 -0800
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 14:39 -0500
      Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2015-12-22 11:49 -0800
        Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-12-22 15:44 -0500
          Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-02 11:09 -0800
            Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-02 15:14 -0500
              Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-04 10:42 -0800
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 14:41 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-04 22:54 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 19:40 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 04:19 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 22:29 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2016-01-05 02:02 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 09:08 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 18:55 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:06 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-04 15:51 -0800
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 19:41 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 04:27 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 22:31 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 04:48 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-04 22:52 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 09:16 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 09:08 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 18:59 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:07 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 01:13 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 20:52 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 08:53 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 09:15 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-05 09:00 -0800
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-05 19:01 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:09 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 01:15 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 20:51 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-06 08:54 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 09:16 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 09:02 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 08:02 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 23:42 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 20:44 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 14:09 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-06 09:27 -0800
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 15:25 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2016-01-06 13:27 -0800
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 16:32 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 09:03 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 08:03 -0500
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-01-11 23:45 +0100
                Re: PHP boilerplate to appear at the top of any program Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-01-11 20:48 -0500
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