Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script

From	"M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.php
Subject	Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script
Date	2012-01-08 23:53 +0100
Message-ID	<9mul2sFf85U1@mid.uni-berlin.de> (permalink)
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Am 08.01.2012 21:44, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
> On 1/8/2012 11:01 AM, M. Strobel wrote:
>> Am 08.01.2012 16:39, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>> On 1/8/2012 10:33 AM, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> Am 08.01.2012 16:02, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>>> On 1/8/2012 9:12 AM, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>>>> Am 08.01.2012 10:20, schrieb C:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if the message were rejected, I would still see
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> in that
>>>>>>> frame, but I get only a blank frame. Client machine
>>>>>>> rejecting the
>>>>>>> message should not even be noticed by this PHP script, or
>>>>>>> would it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have to learn how to find and read the log files. Your
>>>>>> script
>>>>>> will not show errors if it dies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Linux log files are only readable by root.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Str.
>>>>>
>>>>> Log files are not always available, and PHP errors are often
>>>>> not
>>>>> written to logs (depending on the configuration - the
>>>>> default is
>>>>> to NOT write them).
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, if the log files exist, they may easily be set up to be
>>>>> read by others than root.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't tell me, tell C.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, you're the one who made the claims.  I'm just correcting your
>>> misinformation.
>>>
>>>> And the standard on linux is that log files are only root
>>>> readable. I don't think it helps anybody if we start discussing
>>>> what could all be done with the log files.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They can easily be changed - it has nothing to do with whether
>>> you're using standard linux or not.
>>>
>>>> Please do not start arguing with me on this level. I did
>>>> Coherent
>>>> on a serial terminal at home before linux came up, and I was
>>>> working in an IBM computing center back then.
>>>>
>>>> /Str.
>>>
>>> Great.  I was programming an IBM 1410 with punched cards in the
>>> 60's and an IBM employee in the 70's - both long before Linux
>>> came up.
>>>
>>> When your statements are incorrect, I will correct them.
>>>
>> I was glad the punched cards were gone when I came. The old
>> operator could sort them by hand.
>>
>> There was nothing wrong with my statements. If he says "no log
>> file" (which is not true, he said "blank frame") or "0 bytes in
>> it" we know more, meanwhile it makes sense to suggest a standard
>> setup.
>>
>> /Str.
> 
> No log file can be completely correct.  The default setup for PHP
> does not include writing errors to a log file. 

Checked, and true, log_errors is 0.
But display_errors is STDOUT.

> Even if the
> errors are written to a log file (very unusual in a shared
> hosting environment), he will probably not have access to those
> files.  The sysop can change the configuration (and some good
> hosts do) to allow this, but it's uncommon.
Is it? There would be no chance to find errors. Last 10 years I
only have virtual and true servers.
> 
> You are the one who told him he needs to learn to find and read
> the log files.  And you're the one who said they can only be read
> by root. Neither statement is correct.
If he can delete php.ini he is on his own machine.
> 
> But it matters not because there is nearly a 0% chance he will be
> able to read the log files.  So telling him to do it just sends
> him off on a wild goose chase.
>
I agree to the chance. It is hard to give a basic course in some
newsgroups posts.

> And as I told him - a blank frame is a different problem than
> email not being received.  He needs to fix that first.
> 
I told him, and it is incorrect, so I sent him into a loop ah
goose chase, so he has no chance, and he listens to me instead of
you, he needs to fix that first, that's my fault, because I don't
care about security, ... Did I summon it up correctly?

/Str.

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Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script C <wrong.address.1@gmail.com> - 2012-01-07 11:01 -0800
  Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Luuk <Luuk@invalid.lan> - 2012-01-07 20:42 +0100
    Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script C <wrong.address.1@gmail.com> - 2012-01-08 01:17 -0800
      Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Luuk <Luuk@invalid.lan> - 2012-01-08 19:09 +0100
  Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-01-07 16:06 -0500
    Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script C <wrong.address.1@gmail.com> - 2012-01-08 01:20 -0800
      Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-01-08 09:09 -0500
      Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-01-08 15:12 +0100
        Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-08 14:34 +0000
          Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script C <wrong.address.1@gmail.com> - 2012-01-08 10:51 -0800
            Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-08 22:02 +0000
              Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script C <wrong.address.1@gmail.com> - 2012-01-09 05:27 -0800
                Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-09 14:35 +0000
        Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-01-08 10:02 -0500
          Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-01-08 16:33 +0100
            Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-01-08 10:39 -0500
              Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-01-08 17:01 +0100
                Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-01-08 15:44 -0500
                Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-01-08 23:53 +0100
                Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-01-08 19:00 -0500
                Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script C <wrong.address.1@gmail.com> - 2012-01-09 05:32 -0800
                Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-09 14:32 +0000
                Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-01-09 10:04 -0500
  Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-01-09 02:29 +1100
    Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script C <wrong.address.1@gmail.com> - 2012-01-08 10:57 -0800
      Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-01-09 12:46 +1100
        Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script C <wrong.address.1@gmail.com> - 2012-01-09 05:39 -0800
      Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Captain Paralytic <paul_lautman@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-09 04:36 -0800
        Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script C <wrong.address.1@gmail.com> - 2012-01-09 05:40 -0800
          Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Captain Paralytic <paul_lautman@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-09 05:53 -0800
            Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-01-09 14:50 +0000
              Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script C <wrong.address.1@gmail.com> - 2012-01-09 07:34 -0800
              Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Captain Paralytic <paul_lautman@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-09 07:40 -0800
                Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-01-09 17:00 +0000
                Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Captain Paralytic <paul_lautman@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-10 01:58 -0800
                Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-01-10 10:18 +0000
                Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Captain Paralytic <paul_lautman@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-10 02:20 -0800
            Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script C <wrong.address.1@gmail.com> - 2012-01-09 07:32 -0800
              Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-01-09 17:01 +0000
        Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script C <wrong.address.1@gmail.com> - 2012-01-09 07:30 -0800
  Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-01-08 17:19 +0100
    Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script C <wrong.address.1@gmail.com> - 2012-01-08 11:02 -0800
      Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-01-08 23:35 +0100
        Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script C <wrong.address.1@gmail.com> - 2012-01-09 05:28 -0800
          Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-09 14:34 +0000
  Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script Luuk <Luuk@invalid.lan> - 2012-01-09 18:23 +0100

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