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Resources to learn common lisp?

Started byMario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es>
First post2026-02-20 22:53 +0100
Last post2026-08-14 01:36 +0800
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  Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-20 22:53 +0100
    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2026-02-20 22:00 +0000
      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-21 12:25 +0100
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-02-21 10:24 -0500
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-21 21:30 +0000
          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-22 01:08 +0100
            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-22 04:59 +0000
              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-02-22 10:59 +0530
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-22 21:48 +0000
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:43 -0400
          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:41 -0400
            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 20:02 +0000
              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 00:23 -0400
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:28 +0000
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:32 +0000
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:27 -0400
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 17:33 +0000
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:16 -0400
              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:53 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Axel Reichert <mail@axel-reichert.de> - 2026-06-09 12:07 +0200
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:14 +0000
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 00:01 -0400
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-17 05:53 +0000
                        [OT] Disappearing documentation (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 09:06 +0100
                          Re: [OT] Disappearing documentation steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:05 -0400
                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:01 -0400
                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:02 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 17:22 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:59 -0700
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 00:55 +0000
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:43 -0700
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:45 +0000
            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:35 +0000
          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anthk GM <anthk@disroot.org> - 2026-08-15 22:29 +0000
            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-15 23:38 +0000
              Buy the official standard from A.N.S.I. (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-16 11:25 +0800
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:37 -0400
          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:33 +0000
            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 00:22 -0400
            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-09 01:22 -0400
              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:17 +0000
              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:50 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:40 -0400
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:26 +0000
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:10 -0400
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 21:37 -0700
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Joerg Mertens <joerg-mertens@t-online.de> - 2026-06-17 12:04 +0200
                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-17 11:17 +0000
                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 13:57 +0000
                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:06 +0000
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:17 +0000
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 13:32 +0000
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-18 14:21 -0700
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-19 08:12 +0000
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-19 04:27 -0700
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 21:24 -0400
                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:00 -0400
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 07:55 +0000
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-18 12:53 -0400
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-18 21:28 -0400
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-19 15:08 -0400
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-19 22:32 -0400
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:56 -0400
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-21 14:57 -0700
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-22 09:11 -0400
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-24 22:14 +0000
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-25 11:20 -0400
                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:47 +0000
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:21 +0000
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-29 19:00 -0400
                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:34 +0000
                                        Python blanks (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-02 08:39 +0100
                                          Re: Python blanks ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-02 09:24 +0000
                                            Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 21:10 +0000
                                              Re: Python blanks Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:34 +0100
                                                Re: Python blanks George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-03 02:10 -0400
                                                  Re: Python blanks Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:21 +0100
                                                    Re: Python blanks Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 01:47 -0700
                                                      Re: Python blanks Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 17:42 -0400
                                                      Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 04:15 +0000
                                                  Re: Python blanks yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2026-07-03 12:51 +0042
                                                    Re: Python blanks Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 11:34 -0700
                                                      Re: Python blanks Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2026-07-04 04:03 +0000
                                                        Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 04:18 +0000
                                                      Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 11:34 +0000
                                                        Re: Python blanks ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-09 13:15 +0000
                                                          Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 13:24 +0000
                                                        Re: Python blanks antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-07-09 14:01 +0000
                                                          Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 14:39 +0000
                                                            Re: Python blanks antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-07-09 21:03 +0000
                                                              Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 21:23 +0000
                                                              Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 23:09 +0000
                                                              Re: Python blanks steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 23:05 -0400
                                                                Re: Python blanks George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-06 09:57 -0400
                                                          Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 23:08 +0000
                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-02 13:41 -0400
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 05:45 +0000
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 10:12 -0400
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 18:43 -0700
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:28 +0000
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 17:22 -0700
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:47 +0000
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:24 +0000
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-04 21:48 -0400
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 23:56 +0000
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:47 +0000
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:43 -0400
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-20 22:28 -0400
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-22 09:16 -0400
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:38 +0000
                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-26 00:43 +0000
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 02:52 +0000
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:06 -0400
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 05:27 -0400
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:12 -0400
              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:24 -0400
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 05:57 -0400
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-11 21:07 -0400
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 13:06 +0000
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 00:13 +0000
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 07:25 +0000
                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:25 +0000
                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:46 +0000
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:52 +0000
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:57 +0000
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 10:10 +0100
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:56 +0000
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:46 +0000
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:03 +0000
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 07:52 +0000
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:35 +0000
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 20:56 -0400
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-13 00:55 -0400
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 07:43 +0000
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 21:37 -0400
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:09 -0700
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:02 +0000
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 10:12 +0000
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:54 -0400
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-17 00:07 -0400
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 08:33 +0000
                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:48 -0400
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:28 -0400
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:42 +0000
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 23:32 -0400
            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-09 09:36 -0400
              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:06 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-10 08:43 -0400
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:22 +0000
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-11 08:57 -0400
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-12 00:16 +0000
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 21:42 -0400
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 01:15 +0000
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-15 05:42 +0000
                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 11:19 +0000
                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:18 +0000
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-16 03:27 +0000
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 01:25 -0700
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:13 +0000
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 13:57 +0000
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:11 +0000
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-18 02:30 -0700
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:21 +0000
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:32 +0000
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:24 +0000
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 09:47 +0000
                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:26 +0000
                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-02 18:22 -0400
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:04 +0000
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-03 02:16 -0400
                                            [OT] Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:29 +0100
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 10:18 -0400
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:51 +0000
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-04 09:23 -0400
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:46 +0000
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 21:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 05:17 +0000
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 08:43 +0100
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-06 05:13 -0400
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:03 -0700
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:31 +0000
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 14:55 -0400
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 08:42 +0100
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-05 11:02 -0400
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-06 01:10 +0000
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-06 05:21 -0400
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-07 11:52 -0400
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-07-08 01:46 +0000
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-08 03:04 +0000
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-07 19:30 -0700
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-07 19:34 -0700
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 22:03 -0700
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 05:44 +0000
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:21 -0700
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:22 +0000
                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:15 +0000
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 16:04 -0400
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 12:12 +0000
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-13 14:59 -0400
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 14:15 +0000
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:23 +0000
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 10:02 +0000
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:58 -0400
                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 23:53 -0400
                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-17 05:55 +0000
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-17 01:43 -0700
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:07 +0000
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:58 -0400
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:52 -0400
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:04 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 06:37 -0400
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:30 -0700
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 00:58 +0000
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:46 -0700
                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-15 06:59 -0400
                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-15 12:25 -0700
                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 07:47 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 17:42 +0000
                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-12 00:16 +0000
                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:34 +0000
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 00:11 +0000
                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-13 04:06 -0400
                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:37 -0700
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-13 21:25 +0000
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 15:26 -0700
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:37 +0000
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 01:34 +0000
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-15 05:43 +0000
                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 11:23 +0000
                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:23 +0000
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-16 03:29 +0000
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 04:59 +0000
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:10 -0700
                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:42 -0400
                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 06:01 +0000
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:12 -0400
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:35 +0000
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 15:53 -0400
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 13:34 +0000
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:41 -0400
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 20:31 -0700
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:04 -0400
                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 17:44 -0700
                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:36 +0000
                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:43 +0000
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-14 10:36 -0400
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 23:55 +0000
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 18:04 -0700
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 12:33 +0000
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 02:56 +0000
                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-27 20:25 +0000
                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:37 +0000
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 16:55 -0700
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:41 +0000
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:44 +0000
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 07:33 +0000
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:30 +0000
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:08 -0400
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:53 +0000
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:22 -0400
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 22:00 +0000
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-05 22:34 +0000
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-08 22:05 +0800
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:42 -0400
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:48 +0000
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 21:18 -0400
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 11:19 +0100
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-11 10:00 -0300
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 18:31 +0100
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 19:35 +0000
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 20:56 +0100
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 20:21 +0000
                                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 22:44 +0100
                                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 22:50 +0000
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:35 +0000
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 16:28 +0000
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-13 05:03 +0000
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-14 07:14 +0100
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-14 06:47 +0000
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:33 -0700
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 11:42 -0300
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-13 15:39 +0000
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 16:52 -0300
                                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 05:04 +0800
                                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:16 -0300
                                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-14 00:11 +0000
                                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-13 17:16 -0700
                                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 10:27 +0000
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-13 20:35 +0000
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:04 -0300
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-13 23:58 +0000
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-14 09:27 +0100
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-11 23:35 -0400
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 18:35 +0000
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 21:14 +0100
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 21:01 +0000
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:20 +0000
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 09:12 +0000
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:19 +0000
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 16:25 +0000
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-11 23:30 -0400
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 16:52 +0000
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-11 20:39 -0700
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-12 23:23 +0100
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-08-10 15:05 +0000
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-08 22:00 +0800
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-08 14:14 +0000
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:34 +0000
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-08 14:45 +0000
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 02:18 +0800
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:47 -0400
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-11 11:38 -0400
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-13 18:59 -0400
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-15 21:12 -0400
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:20 -0300
                                                              Names for GenAI (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:30 +0100
                                                                Re: Names for GenAI ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-14 12:49 +0000
                                                                Re: Names for GenAI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 13:56 -0300
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-29 16:16 -0400
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 13:46 -0700
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-30 17:15 -0400
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:07 +0000
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:26 +0000
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 16:06 -0400
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-11 15:03 -0700
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 12:12 +0000
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-13 15:55 -0400
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 20:37 +0000
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:18 -0400
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-29 22:06 +0000
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:15 -0400
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-30 21:05 -0400
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-31 08:01 +0000
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-04 22:08 -0400
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-05 11:29 +0000
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-05 23:46 +0530
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 19:41 -0400
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-08-10 14:44 +0200
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:31 +0000
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:21 -0400
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:17 +0800
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-07-31 12:21 -0300
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-01 01:48 +0800
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-05 13:13 -0300
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 21:48 +0000
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-08-06 09:05 +0200
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 11:33 -0700
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-06 15:49 -0300
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-06 20:23 -0400
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-08-07 09:36 +0000
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-07 11:58 +0000
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-08-08 19:02 +0000
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:59 -0400
                                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
                                                                      Reader macros (was: Resources to learn common lisp?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-08-09 11:51 -0400
                                                                        Re: Reader macros Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 00:48 -0700
                                                              Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 05:33 +0800
                                                                Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-08-10 14:57 +0000
                                                                  Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 13:10 -0700
                                                                Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-10 17:41 -0300
                                                                  Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 23:53 +0000
                                                                    Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-08-11 14:29 +0000
                                                                    kqueues and port_create() (was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:51 +0800
                                                                      Re: kqueues and port_create() Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-11 20:59 -0700
                                                                        Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 13:07 +0800
                                                                          Re: kqueues and port_create() Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-08-12 03:23 -0400
                                                                            Re: kqueues and port_create() Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:50 +0000
                                                                              Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:33 +0800
                                                                            Re: kqueues and port_create() Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-12 02:22 -0700
                                                                              Re: kqueues and port_create() Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-08-12 20:55 -0400
                                                                            Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:37 +0800
                                                                        Re: kqueues and port_create() "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-12 12:59 -0700
                                                                    Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:26 +0100
                                                                  D.N.S. in Common Lisp (was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:59 +0800
                                                                    Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-12 09:01 -0300
                                                                      Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:20 +0800
                                                                        Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-12 20:46 -0700
                                                                          Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 14:28 +0800
                                                                          Re: Making production games in Common Lisp bixbox <noreply@example.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:46 +0200
                                                                        Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 12:19 -0300
                                                                          Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:24 +0800
                                                                            Re: Making production games in Common Lisp ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-13 17:39 +0000
                                                                            Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 20:58 -0300
                                                                              Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:42 +0800
                                                                                Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:46 +0100
                                                                            Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-13 17:31 -0700
                                                                              Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 14:04 +0800
                                                                                Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:52 -0700
                                                                            Re: Making production games in Common Lisp tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 10:27 +0000
                                                                              Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-15 01:19 +0800
                                                                        Re: Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-13 16:14 +0000
                                                                          Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:31 +0800
                                                                            Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:52 +0100
                                                                              Re: Making production games in Common Lisp tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 12:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-15 01:33 +0800
                                                                        Re: Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-15 19:44 -0400
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-06 18:05 -0700
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 05:26 +0800
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-08 18:37 -0400
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-09 08:52 +0000
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-09 11:50 +0100
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 23:01 +0800
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 19:09 -0400
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:36 +0000
                                                                    What do you need from S.B.C.L? (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-10 05:32 +0800
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 19:02 -0400
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-10 00:56 +0100
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:30 +0000
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-12 16:31 +0000
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 17:07 +0000
                                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-12 17:20 +0000
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 14:28 +0800
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 00:54 -0700
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-08-11 20:20 +0000
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-11 20:51 -0700
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-14 03:27 -0700
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 12:16 +0000
                                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:03 -0700
                                                                      Macros (was Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 12:51 +0000
                                                                        Re: Macros (was Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:08 -0700
                                                                          Re: Macros Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-15 10:01 +0100
                                                                          Re: Macros (was Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-15 12:58 +0000
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 13:18 +0800
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? bixbox <noreply@example.invalid> - 2026-08-12 10:16 +0200
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-08-10 14:21 +0200
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-08-11 22:14 +0000
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 14:37 +0800
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-08 19:08 -0400
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 19:12 -0400
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-11 11:45 -0400
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-13 19:25 -0400
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-10 10:48 -0300
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 23:55 +0000
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 21:25 -0400
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-11 12:20 -0400
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-12 13:06 -0400
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 17:16 +0000
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 12:46 -0300
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-31 22:46 +0000
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-01 07:38 +0800
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:26 -0400
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-01 09:08 +0000
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-01 07:49 -0400
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:37 +0000
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 16:54 -0700
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-02 07:39 +0000
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:39 -0400
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 23:59 -0400
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-01 16:12 +0800
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:50 -0400
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:02 +0800
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 19:36 -0400
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 02:11 +0800
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:49 -0400
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 13:08 -0700
                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:48 -0400
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 20:34 -0700
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 06:00 +0000
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 00:52 -0700
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 07:55 +0000
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 13:35 -0700
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 22:25 +0000
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 17:37 -0700
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:53 +0000
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:26 -0400
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:50 +0000
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 23:52 -0400
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-01 05:24 +0000
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:47 -0400
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 02:54 +0000
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 23:11 -0400
                                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 07:31 +0000
                                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 19:25 -0400
                                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:46 +0000
                                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 21:10 -0400
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:26 +0800
                                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 13:05 -0700
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:34 +0000
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 00:07 +0000
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:49 +0000
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-06 05:23 -0400
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:26 +0000
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-09 12:04 +0000
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-07-09 14:42 +0000
                                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 19:33 +0000
                                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-07-09 21:29 +0000
                                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-10 07:37 +0000
                                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-10 10:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-10 03:35 -0700
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 17:32 -0400
                                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:48 +0000
                                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-30 21:37 -0400
                                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 00:49 +0000
                                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-04 09:56 +0800
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:31 +0000
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:31 +0000
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:08 +0000
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 08:57 +0000
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 09:47 +0000
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 10:03 +0000
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 10:44 +0000
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 11:05 +0000
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:42 +0000
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 11:09 +0000
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:45 +0000
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:50 -0400
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:43 +0000
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:41 +0000
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 15:55 -0400
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:46 +0000
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:47 -0400
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:39 +0000
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-30 13:47 -0700
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-01 10:26 -0400
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:38 +0000
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-01 18:47 -0700
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-01 18:52 -0700
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-07-02 20:33 -0400
                                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:50 +0000
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:42 +0000
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 08:06 +0000
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 11:41 +0000
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-07-03 19:37 -0400
                                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 18:29 -0700
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-04 09:40 -0400
                                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-07-08 19:07 -0400
                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-27 13:48 -0700
                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:34 +0000
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 02:58 +0000
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-15 09:51 -0400
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:23 +0000
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 03:14 -0700
                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 03:02 +0000
                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-26 21:47 -0700
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:18 +0000
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 16:36 -0700
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:06 +0000
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-02 22:20 -0700
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:58 +0000
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:36 +0100
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:29 -0700
                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:29 +0000
                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 16:41 -0700
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 09:17 +0000
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-29 18:41 +0000
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 04:06 +0000
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-04 07:46 +0100
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:31 -0400
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:52 +0000
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-16 10:23 -0400
                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 21:34 -0700
                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-17 15:02 -0400
                                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 04:14 +0000
                                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-18 12:44 -0400
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 10:09 +0000
                                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 10:55 +0000
                                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 08:06 +0000
                                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-09 13:26 +0000
                                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 23:04 +0000
                                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 02:45 +0000
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 13:14 -0700
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 02:30 +0000
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:46 +0000
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 15:34 +0000
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-19 07:01 +0000
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-19 11:41 +0000
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:38 +0000
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:42 +0000
                                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 13:58 -0700
                                    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 22:19 +0000
                      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:37 -0400
                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 20:42 -0700
                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:08 -0400
                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:27 +0100
                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 00:42 -0700
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-06-29 14:35 +0100
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-29 23:27 -0400
                                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-01 16:21 -0400
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:21 -0400
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-01 08:57 +0100
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-07-01 14:29 +0530
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-01 12:56 -0700
                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:17 -0400
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 21:32 +0000
                        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 07:55 +0000
                          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-05 22:14 +0100
                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 23:55 +0000
                              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-06 08:04 +0100
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                            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:57 +0000
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                  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:55 +0000
    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tpeplt <tpeplt@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 17:44 -0500
      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-21 12:30 +0100
    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-20 23:50 +0000
      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-21 00:24 +0000
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-02-21 11:36 +0100
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    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 17:47 -0400
      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-31 23:41 +0000
      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tpeplt <tpeplt@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 13:23 -0400
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 21:59 -0400
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    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-01 14:56 -0400
      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Robert B. Carleton" <rbc@rbcarleton.net> - 2026-06-01 23:02 +0000
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 21:32 -0400
          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-03 03:16 +0000
    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? kotorifan <mindyourownbiz@noemail.fuck> - 2026-08-02 16:42 +0000
      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 22:53 +0000
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anthk GM <anthk@disroot.org> - 2026-08-13 13:40 +0000
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      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-02 16:56 -0700
      Common Lisp Books (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-03 17:56 +0800
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#60958

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-06-18 01:11 +0000
Message-ID<110vgkb$292a0$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60915
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 03:27:03 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote:

> And in case you missed it: limited percentage of time spent in sbcl
> GC is not due to slowness of other code. In fact the opposite is
> true: since other code is fast pressure on garbage collector is
> bigger.

Which reminds me: CPU time consumed by the garbage collector has to
count towards program execution CPU time, too.

> That "higher-level data structures" is part of complication. I did
> not look at Python internal data structures, but I looked at Perl
> data structures, and when I looked at them they were extremaly
> wasteful. 'sbcl' data structures are not super-efficient, but not
> bad.

Look at toolkits like NumPy, commonly used to do heavy-duty
computations on large amounts of data (e.g. millions of data points)
from Python.

Yes, the bulk of it is written in compiled languages (C? Fortran?) for
speed. But remember, it is accepting the input data as Python objects,
and returning results as Python objects.

So you see, the performance bottleneck does not lie in Python’s memory
management system.

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#60963

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2026-06-18 02:30 -0700
Message-ID<87fr2k42my.fsf@nightsong.com>
In reply to#60958
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
> Look at toolkits like NumPy, commonly used to do heavy-duty...
> So you see, the performance bottleneck does not lie in Python’s memory
> management system.

Exactly, those large numeric arrays don't contain any pointers that need
management at finer granularity than the array itself.

What are you on about, anyway?  Python had the GIL for decades.  Finally
the lack of parallelism became intolerable, so the GIL has been removed
through painful contortions (each object has two reference counts
instead of one, increasing memory bloat even more).

At the end though, despite recent speedups, CPython is quite slow and
its storage reclamation strategy doesn't matter that much to its
performance.  It does make extensions and maintenance more of a hassle.

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#61056

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-06-29 08:21 +0000
Message-ID<111t9u4$71ug$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60963
On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 02:30:13 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:

> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>>
>> Look at toolkits like NumPy, commonly used to do heavy-duty... So
>> you see, the performance bottleneck does not lie in Python’s memory
>> management system.
>
> Exactly, those large numeric arrays don't contain any pointers that
> need management at finer granularity than the array itself.

You’re not admitting that reference-counting can be competitive with
garbage collection in such a situation? Or even better (Cf that Paul
Graham example)?

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#60964

Fromtfb <no_email@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-06-18 09:32 +0000
Message-ID<1110dus$2geib$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60958
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
> 
> Which reminds me: CPU time consumed by the garbage collector has to
> count towards program execution CPU time, too.
> 

Do you think people don't do that?

? (bench 100000000 100)
Timing the evaluation of (timing nil (funger n m))

User time    =  0:01:19.957
System time  =        0.681
Elapsed time =  0:01:20.620
Allocation   = 94893571384 bytes
72064 Page faults
GC time      =        1.355
80.62

94GB total allocation (almost none of which was conses), all freed by the
GC, 80s total runtime of which under 2% was GC overhead.

Under 2%.  I could probably make this program faster by fiddling with the
loops.  Fiddling with the GC parameters (it is using the default settings)
could gain me no more than 2%.

-- 
tfeb.org/computer/

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#61058

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-06-29 08:24 +0000
Message-ID<111ta40$71ug$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60964
On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:32:12 -0000 (UTC), tfb wrote:

> 94GB total allocation ...

Peak?

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#61065

Fromtfb <tfb@work.it.out>
Date2026-06-29 09:47 +0000
Message-ID<111tevb$8hea$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#61058
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:32:12 -0000 (UTC), tfb wrote:
> 
>> 94GB total allocation ...
> 
> Peak?
> 

Total.  94GB of objects were allocated.  I don't have that program any more
but pretty sure 100 objects were live at any one time based on the second
argument: the whole purpose is to show how well copying GCs deal with
ephemeral allocation.

-- 
tfeb.org/computer/

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#61103

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-07-02 00:26 +0000
Message-ID<1124b89$2879p$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#61065
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 09:47:23 -0000 (UTC), tfb wrote:

> Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 09:32:12 -0000 (UTC), tfb wrote:
>>
>>> 94GB total allocation ...
>>
>> Peak?
>
> Total. ... the whole purpose is to show how well copying GCs deal
> with ephemeral allocation.

But if the cost is a peak use of several times the actual total size
of the live objects at any one time, then that shows why
reference-counting can be a worthwhile option, doesn’t it?

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#61121

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2026-07-02 18:22 -0400
Message-ID<jwvwlvduj6g.fsf-monnier+comp.lang.lisp@gnu.org>
In reply to#61103
> that shows why reference-counting can be a worthwhile option,
> doesn’t it?

There are plenty of situations where reference counting can be
a worthwhile option, of course.  Nobody claimed otherwise here, AFAIK.


=== Stefan

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#61125

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-07-03 04:04 +0000
Message-ID<1127cbg$34rpg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#61121
On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 18:22:50 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:

> There are plenty of situations where reference counting can be a
> worthwhile option, of course. Nobody claimed otherwise here, AFAIK.

Quite a few are insisting that garbage collection is somehow superior
overall.

If it’s so good, why don’t OS kernels use it?

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#61131

FromGeorge Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net>
Date2026-07-03 02:16 -0400
Message-ID<5kke4l9qunmogaee8jdd2an8mtr7t54vl7@4ax.com>
In reply to#61125
On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 04:04:00 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D´Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 18:22:50 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
>> There are plenty of situations where reference counting can be a
>> worthwhile option, of course. Nobody claimed otherwise here, AFAIK.
>
>Quite a few are insisting that garbage collection is somehow superior
>overall.
>
>If it’s so good, why don’t OS kernels use it?

There have been OS kernels that used it, even for device drivers.


I thought the argument was about whether or not RC is, or is not, a GC
method.  As far as Jones & Lins is concerned, RC *is* a GC method, and
in fact it is the first one they discuss in depth.

That RC is not "perfect" [for some definition] is a different issue.
No GC method is perfect - every method has good points and bad points.

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#61133 — [OT] Re: Resources to learn common lisp?

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-03 07:29 +0100
Subject[OT] Re: Resources to learn common lisp?
Message-ID<1127krr$36m4d$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#61125
On 2026-07-03, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 18:22:50 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
>> There are plenty of situations where reference counting can be a
>> worthwhile option, of course. Nobody claimed otherwise here, AFAIK.
>
> Quite a few are insisting that garbage collection is somehow superior
> overall.
>
> If it’s so good, why don’t OS kernels use it?

You're all for saying people have choice when they say they have issues
with the way systemd approaches stuff, but you can't accept the same
possibility of choices and different solutions fitting different users,
systems or problems here?

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#61141

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2026-07-03 10:18 -0400
Message-ID<jwv7bncupo1.fsf-monnier+comp.lang.lisp@gnu.org>
In reply to#61125
Lawrence D’Oliveiro [2026-07-03 04:04:00] wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 18:22:50 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> There are plenty of situations where reference counting can be a
>> worthwhile option, of course. Nobody claimed otherwise here, AFAIK.
> Quite a few are insisting that garbage collection is somehow superior
> overall.

I haven't seen such a claim being made here.
There's no one-size-fits all, because all known methods have
non-trivial tradeoffs.

Tracing GCs seem to be popular among language implementors, even though
they're non-trivial to implement (and a major PITA to debug), so they
do seem to provide good value "overall".  Tho maybe it's just
implementors reproducing blindly what previous implementors did.


=== Stefan

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#61144

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-07-04 03:51 +0000
Message-ID<112a00l$3scqc$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#61141
On Fri, 03 Jul 2026 10:18:04 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:

> Lawrence D’Oliveiro [2026-07-03 04:04:00] wrote:
>>
>> Quite a few are insisting that garbage collection is somehow
>> superior overall.
>
> I haven't seen such a claim being made here.

You haven’t seen all the ones telling me I’m wrong in saying that
Python is doing the right thing with reference-counting?

If garbage collection is so good, why don’t OS kernels use it?

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#61162

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2026-07-04 09:23 -0400
Message-ID<jwvechiud85.fsf-monnier+comp.lang.lisp@gnu.org>
In reply to#61144
Lawrence D’Oliveiro [2026-07-04 03:51:49] wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Jul 2026 10:18:04 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro [2026-07-03 04:04:00] wrote:
>>> Quite a few are insisting that garbage collection is somehow
>>> superior overall.
>> I haven't seen such a claim being made here.
> You haven’t seen all the ones telling me I’m wrong in saying that
> Python is doing the right thing with reference-counting?

I think you're misreading answers or people are misreading your claims.
I can't remember seeing you claiming that CPython is doing the right
thing for their situation by using reference counting.

Instead, I perceive you claiming that reference counting is better than
tracing GC, which is like comparing apples and oranges: they each have
their strengths and weaknesses.  The usual main weaknesses of refcounting is
low-speed and difficulty dealing with cycles.  The usual main weaknesses
of tracing GCs are poor support for real-time uses and a tendency to
require more heap space to get good performance.

The low-speed of refcounting is probably not a significant issue for
CPython since the CPython compiler/interpreter doesn't focus on
high-speed execution.  So it may very well be that refcount is "the
right thing" for CPython.  I don't think anyone here cares very much
whether it's the case or not.

But even if it's "the right thing" for CPython, that doesn't mean it's
the end-all-be-all of memory management and that Lisp implementations
would all be better served by adding a refcounting front-end to their
GC, like CPython does (since, indeed, CPython also has the equivalent of
a tracing GC, to collect cycles).

> If garbage collection is so good, why don’t OS kernels use it?

Why do *most* OS kernels not use a tracing GC?
Probably for two reasons:

- Habit: Most OS kernels are written in languages without automatic
  memory management.
- Control: Usually OS kernels like to be very explicit about
  controlling resources.
- Layering: Just like kernels typically don't internally use on-demand
  paging because it tends to create layering problems, having the
  kernel's code layered on top of a tracing GC requires extra care,
  since tracing GCs tend to require non-trivial services traditionally
  offered by ... an underlying kernel.
- Real-time constraints: OS kernels usually aim to support real-time
  applications, and tracing GCs tend to get in the way of that.
  There's been a lot of work on real-time GCs, so it's not
  insurmountable, but comes with its own set of trade-offs.


=== Stefan

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#61163

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-07-05 01:46 +0000
Message-ID<112cd1c$no6b$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#61162
On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 09:23:44 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:

> The usual main weaknesses of refcounting is low-speed and difficulty
> dealing with cycles.

See, there you go, repeating the same thing again. It is garbage
collection that is more likely to suffer from performance issues than
reference-counting.

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#61166

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2026-07-04 21:44 -0700
Message-ID<87echivyd9.fsf@nightsong.com>
In reply to#61163
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
> See, there you go, repeating the same thing again. It is garbage
> collection that is more likely to suffer from performance issues than
> reference-counting.

What on earth makes you spout nonsense like this?  Do you have any
evidence?  What for that matter is the sample space that you're
asserting a certain probability distribution over?  Can you imagine
somehow reworking CPython so that it's 10x faster than the current
version, while leaving the current refcounting scheme in place?  Can you
imagine somehow reworking SBCL or GHC to use CPython-style refcounting
(ignore the problem of cycles) and expecting it to not slow down?  SMH.

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#61167

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-07-05 05:17 +0000
Message-ID<112cpdq$r41c$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#61166
On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 21:44:50 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:

> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>>
>> It is garbage collection that is more likely to suffer from
>> performance issues than reference-counting.
>
> What on earth makes you spout nonsense like this?

Whichever way you look at garbage collection, it is going to be
cache-hostile.

I pointed out issues with storage reclamation. Someone said that
garbage collectors don’t work that way, they only access live objects,
not dead ones. But that’s no better: copying live objects to new
locations means throwing away their existing cache entries, if any,
and forcing new cache faults.

So you see, there is no escaping the conclusion that garbage
collection is a fundamentally low-performance activity.

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#61169

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-05 08:43 +0100
Message-ID<112d1vv$tadf$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#61167
On 2026-07-05, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 21:44:50 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>> It is garbage collection that is more likely to suffer from
>>> performance issues than reference-counting.
>>
>> What on earth makes you spout nonsense like this?
>
> Whichever way you look at garbage collection, it is going to be
> cache-hostile.
>
> I pointed out issues with storage reclamation. Someone said that
> garbage collectors don’t work that way, they only access live objects,
> not dead ones. But that’s no better: copying live objects to new
> locations means throwing away their existing cache entries, if any,
> and forcing new cache faults.
>
> So you see, there is no escaping the conclusion that garbage
> collection is a fundamentally low-performance activity.


I've kind of lost track in this whole thread, so if possible please
refresh my memory: how does reference counting avoid the
"cache-hostility" issue?

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#61179

FromGeorge Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net>
Date2026-07-06 05:13 -0400
Message-ID<29sm4llp5224isv29ptlk9sbac48tabk8m@4ax.com>
In reply to#61169
On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 08:43:59 +0100, Nuno Silva
<nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 2026-07-05, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 21:44:50 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:
>>
>>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>> It is garbage collection that is more likely to suffer from
>>>> performance issues than reference-counting.
>>>
>>> What on earth makes you spout nonsense like this?
>>
>> Whichever way you look at garbage collection, it is going to be
>> cache-hostile.
>>
>> I pointed out issues with storage reclamation. Someone said that
>> garbage collectors don’t work that way, they only access live objects,
>> not dead ones. But that’s no better: copying live objects to new
>> locations means throwing away their existing cache entries, if any,
>> and forcing new cache faults.
>>
>> So you see, there is no escaping the conclusion that garbage
>> collection is a fundamentally low-performance activity.
>
>
>I've kind of lost track in this whole thread, so if possible please
>refresh my memory: how does reference counting avoid the
>"cache-hostility" issue?

It doesn't.  Lawrence clearly has no clue how RC or tracing GC systems
work. He's just regurgitating some bullshit he heard somewhere.

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#61170

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2026-07-05 01:03 -0700
Message-ID<87a4s5x3pt.fsf@nightsong.com>
In reply to#61167
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
> copying live objects to new locations means throwing away their
> existing cache entries, if any, and forcing new cache faults.

The new locations are in a contiguous block of memory, which is as cache
friendly as it gets.  They were scattered all over the old heap, but the
GC compacts and defragments them.  Unlike a refcount system which leaves
them scattered.

> So you see, there is no escaping the conclusion that garbage
> collection is a fundamentally low-performance activity.

Do you have any benchmarks that support your weird theories?

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