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  sxml - does anybody use it? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-06-18 20:15 +0200
    Re: sxml - does anybody use it? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-18 18:39 +0000
      Re: sxml - does anybody use it? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-18 18:41 +0000
    Re: sxml - does anybody use it? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-18 19:43 +0000
      Re: sxml - does anybody use it? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-06-19 22:38 +0200
        Re: sxml - does anybody use it? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 23:18 -0400
    Re: sxml - does anybody use it? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 23:07 +0000
      Re: sxml - does anybody use it? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-06-19 22:39 +0200
        Re: sxml - does anybody use it? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-19 22:51 +0000
          Re: sxml - does anybody use it? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-06-20 09:56 +0200
            Re: sxml - does anybody use it? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-20 22:42 +0000

#60969 — sxml - does anybody use it?

I'm making a LISP-based S-exp to XML conversion program, for fun
mainly. I've mainly sticked to this notation:

       '("!DOCTYPE html"
         (html (:lang "en"))
           (head
             (title "An HTML site made with Mario's translator"))
           (body
             (h1 (:id "title" :class "center") "BASED SITE")
             (p "Hello I made this with Mario Rosell's sexp2xml
         tool.")))

To add tags, you do it using this weird : notation (plists), and you can
use strings to insert it literally.
           
I've come up with a format named SXML, it seems absolutely horrendous!
Just wanted to know if anybody uses this format, and if so, his opinions
on it, and maybe why do you use it.

-- 
- mario

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#60970

Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> wrote or quoted:
>       '("!DOCTYPE html"

  The doctype is expressed using a target language string,
  rather than generated by a macro or function.

>         (html (:lang "en"))
          ^                 ^

  This html element closes right on the same line.

>To add tags, you do it using this weird : notation (plists)

  "lang" is an /attribute name/ in HTML.
  "html" is a /tag/ in HTML.

>Just wanted to know if anybody uses this format, and if so, his opinions
>on it, and maybe why do you use it.

  To get more answers, you could also ask:

|Just wanted to know if anybody does not use this format, and
|if so, his opinions on it, and maybe why he doesn't use it.

  .

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#60971

ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
>"html" is a /tag/ in HTML.

  Sorry! "html" is an /element type name/, and
  "<html>" is an example of a /tag/ (start tag).

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#60972

Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> wrote or quoted:
>I've come up with a format named SXML,

  When you write "I've come up with a format named SXML", 
  it sounds as if you /authored/ the SXML specification.

  "I've come up with a format named SXML" =
  "He ideado un formato llamado SXML.",
  "Ho ideato un formato chiamato SXML.".

  But SXML was defined by Oleg Kiselyov.

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#60982

Oh fuck, sorry! I meant that I found SXML while searching a bit on
Wikipedia about this.

-- 
- mario

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#61002

Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> writes:

> Oh fuck, sorry! I meant that I found SXML while searching a bit on
> Wikipedia about this.

no worries, I think we have all done this one :)

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#60976

On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 20:15:11 +0200, Mario Rosell wrote:

> ... SXML, it seems absolutely horrendous!

Is there an SJSON?

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#60983

Fortunately or unfortunately, no.
-- 
- mario

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#60986

On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 22:39:58 +0200, Mario Rosell wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 23:07:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 20:15:11 +0200, Mario Rosell wrote:
>>
>>> ... SXML, it seems absolutely horrendous!
>>
>> Is there an SJSON?
>
> Fortunately or unfortunately, no.

Why not, I wonder? most people seem to prefer JSON over the wordiness
of XML these days.

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#61003

| Why not, I wonder?

Because nobody has made SJSON, simply. If you really want it, then you
could make it yourself, I guess...

| most people seem to prefer JSON over the wordiness
| of XML these days.

T. I think you'd need to discard most of the ~nicenesses~ of
S-expressions (like p-lists or dotted pairs) though, since JSON is rather
limited to be honest.

XML is also used much more in legacy systems.

-- 
- mario

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#61007

On Sat, 20 Jun 2026 09:56:13 +0200, Mario Rosell wrote:

> T. I think you'd need to discard most of the ~nicenesses~ of
> S-expressions (like p-lists or dotted pairs) though, since JSON is
> rather limited to be honest.

It has a wider variety of convenient data structures, namely lists and
dicts (“objects” in JavaScript parlance).

> XML is also used much more in legacy systems.

“Legacy” being about right ...

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