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| Started by | Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> |
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| First post | 2026-02-20 22:53 +0100 |
| Last post | 2026-08-14 01:36 +0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 628 — 38 participants |
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Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-20 22:53 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2026-02-20 22:00 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-21 12:25 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-02-21 10:24 -0500
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-21 21:30 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-22 01:08 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-22 04:59 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-02-22 10:59 +0530
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-22 21:48 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:43 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 20:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 00:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:28 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:32 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:27 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 17:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:16 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:53 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Axel Reichert <mail@axel-reichert.de> - 2026-06-09 12:07 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:14 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 00:01 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-17 05:53 +0000
[OT] Disappearing documentation (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 09:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Disappearing documentation steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:05 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:01 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 17:22 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:59 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 00:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:43 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:45 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anthk GM <anthk@disroot.org> - 2026-08-15 22:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-15 23:38 +0000
Buy the official standard from A.N.S.I. (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-16 11:25 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 00:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-09 01:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:50 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:40 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:26 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:10 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 21:37 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Joerg Mertens <joerg-mertens@t-online.de> - 2026-06-17 12:04 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-17 11:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 13:57 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 13:32 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-18 14:21 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-19 08:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-19 04:27 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 21:24 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:00 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 07:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-18 12:53 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-18 21:28 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-19 15:08 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-19 22:32 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:56 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-21 14:57 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-22 09:11 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-24 22:14 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-25 11:20 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:21 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-29 19:00 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:34 +0000
Python blanks (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-02 08:39 +0100
Re: Python blanks ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-02 09:24 +0000
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 21:10 +0000
Re: Python blanks Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:34 +0100
Re: Python blanks George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-03 02:10 -0400
Re: Python blanks Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:21 +0100
Re: Python blanks Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 01:47 -0700
Re: Python blanks Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 17:42 -0400
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 04:15 +0000
Re: Python blanks yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2026-07-03 12:51 +0042
Re: Python blanks Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 11:34 -0700
Re: Python blanks Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2026-07-04 04:03 +0000
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 04:18 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 11:34 +0000
Re: Python blanks ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-09 13:15 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 13:24 +0000
Re: Python blanks antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-07-09 14:01 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 14:39 +0000
Re: Python blanks antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-07-09 21:03 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 21:23 +0000
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 23:09 +0000
Re: Python blanks steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 23:05 -0400
Re: Python blanks George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-06 09:57 -0400
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 23:08 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-02 13:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 05:45 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 10:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 18:43 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:28 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 17:22 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:24 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-04 21:48 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 23:56 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:43 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-20 22:28 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-22 09:16 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:38 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-26 00:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 02:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:06 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 05:27 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:24 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 05:57 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-11 21:07 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 13:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 00:13 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 07:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:57 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 10:10 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:56 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:03 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 07:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 20:56 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-13 00:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 07:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 21:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:09 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 10:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:54 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-17 00:07 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 08:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:48 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:28 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 23:32 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-09 09:36 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-10 08:43 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:22 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-11 08:57 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-12 00:16 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 21:42 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 01:15 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-15 05:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 11:19 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:18 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-16 03:27 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 01:25 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:13 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 13:57 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:11 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-18 02:30 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:21 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:32 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:24 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 09:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:26 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-02 18:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:04 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-03 02:16 -0400
[OT] Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:29 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 10:18 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:51 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-04 09:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 21:44 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 05:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 08:43 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-06 05:13 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:03 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 14:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 08:42 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-05 11:02 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-06 01:10 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-06 05:21 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-07 11:52 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-07-08 01:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-08 03:04 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-07 19:30 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-07 19:34 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 22:03 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 05:44 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:21 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:22 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:15 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 16:04 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 12:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-13 14:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 14:15 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 10:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:58 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 23:53 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-17 05:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-17 01:43 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:07 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:58 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:52 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:04 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 06:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:30 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 00:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:46 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-15 06:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-15 12:25 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 07:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 17:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-12 00:16 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 00:11 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:37 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-13 21:25 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:37 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 01:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-15 05:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 11:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-16 03:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 04:59 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:10 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:42 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 06:01 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 15:53 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 13:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 20:31 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:04 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 17:44 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:36 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-14 10:36 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 23:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 18:04 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 12:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 02:56 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-27 20:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:37 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 16:55 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:41 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:44 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 07:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:30 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:08 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:53 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 22:00 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-05 22:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-08 22:05 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:42 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:48 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 21:18 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 11:19 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-11 10:00 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 18:31 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 19:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 20:56 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 20:21 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 22:44 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 22:50 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 16:28 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-13 05:03 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-14 07:14 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-14 06:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:33 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 11:42 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-13 15:39 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 16:52 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 05:04 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:16 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-14 00:11 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-13 17:16 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 10:27 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-13 20:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:04 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-13 23:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-14 09:27 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-11 23:35 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 18:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 21:14 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 21:01 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:20 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 09:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:19 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 16:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-11 23:30 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 16:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-11 20:39 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-12 23:23 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-08-10 15:05 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-08 22:00 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-08 14:14 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-08 14:45 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 02:18 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:47 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-11 11:38 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-13 18:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-15 21:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:20 -0300
Names for GenAI (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:30 +0100
Re: Names for GenAI ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-14 12:49 +0000
Re: Names for GenAI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 13:56 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-29 16:16 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 13:46 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-30 17:15 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:07 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:26 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 16:06 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-11 15:03 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 12:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-13 15:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 20:37 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:18 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-29 22:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:15 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-30 21:05 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-31 08:01 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-04 22:08 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-05 11:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-05 23:46 +0530
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 19:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-08-10 14:44 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:21 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:17 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-07-31 12:21 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-01 01:48 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-05 13:13 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 21:48 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-08-06 09:05 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 11:33 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-06 15:49 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-06 20:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-08-07 09:36 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-07 11:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-08-08 19:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
Reader macros (was: Resources to learn common lisp?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-08-09 11:51 -0400
Re: Reader macros Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 00:48 -0700
Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 05:33 +0800
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:11 -0700
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-08-10 14:57 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 13:10 -0700
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-10 17:41 -0300
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 23:53 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-08-11 14:29 +0000
kqueues and port_create() (was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:51 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-11 20:59 -0700
Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 13:07 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-08-12 03:23 -0400
Re: kqueues and port_create() Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:50 +0000
Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:33 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-12 02:22 -0700
Re: kqueues and port_create() Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-08-12 20:55 -0400
Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:37 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-12 12:59 -0700
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:26 +0100
D.N.S. in Common Lisp (was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:59 +0800
Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-12 09:01 -0300
Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:20 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-12 20:46 -0700
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 14:28 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp bixbox <noreply@example.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:46 +0200
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 12:19 -0300
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:24 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-13 17:39 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 20:58 -0300
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:42 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:46 +0100
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 15:29 -0300
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-13 17:31 -0700
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 14:04 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:52 -0700
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 10:27 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-15 01:19 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-13 16:14 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:31 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:52 +0100
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 12:30 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-15 01:33 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-15 19:44 -0400
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 15:06 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-06 18:05 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 05:26 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-08 18:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-09 08:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-09 11:50 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 23:01 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 19:09 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:36 +0000
What do you need from S.B.C.L? (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-10 05:32 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 19:02 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-10 00:56 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:30 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-12 16:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 17:07 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-12 17:20 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 14:28 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 00:54 -0700
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 23:55 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:50 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-01 05:24 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:47 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 02:54 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:46 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:34 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:49 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 00:49 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:31 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 08:57 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 10:03 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 10:44 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 11:05 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:42 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:45 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:41 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:46 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:39 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-30 13:47 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-01 10:26 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:38 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:34 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-15 09:51 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:23 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 03:02 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:18 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:06 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:58 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:29 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:52 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-17 15:02 -0400
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:36 +0800
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| From | tfb <tfb@work.it.out> |
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| Date | 2026-08-12 15:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <115i4sf$uekh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61360 |
Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > For a long time, Scheme didn't have macros, but it was still considered > cool. > Scheme-the standard did not: pretty much every implementation did. > Lisp macros are generally a way for user code to get hold of unevaluated > args in a sexp. Oh please, stop. You are describing fexprs. You can implement fexprs with macros (I have like six such fir CL, I can't even remember if I've published any (looks like I have, actually). You can't, in CL or any language with semantics anything like similar to it, go the other way. > If your language has [...] > syntactic support for your likely macro use cases (lots of languages), > macros become less important. Right, if the language you already has supports every construct anyone might ever want to do anything, then nobody needs macros. That language is, of course, for all practical purposes, infinite. Its implementation will take an infinite amount of time. After, that is, people have agreed what the useful constructs *are*. > As Lispers like to say, syntax is no big > deal. So why obsess about being able to redefine it? > Do they say that? Which ones? This one thinks that domain-specific and application-specific languages are useful and thinks that languages with facilities which allow the simple incremental construction of such languages are therefore also useful. -- tfeb.org/computer/
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 03:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <874igxov3y.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61416 |
tfb <tfb@work.it.out> writes: > Right, if the language you already has supports every construct anyone > might ever want to do anything, then nobody needs macros. No language has 100% of constructs anyone might ever want. If it has 90% and requires a little stretching for the other 10%, it's doing ok. Lisp starts maybe 50% and uses macros to make up for the rest. Like where other languages have "=" as a generic assignment operator, Lisp has a complicated setf macro that handles part of the semantic analysis phase of a more traditional compiler. > Do they say that? Which ones? This one thinks that domain-specific > and application-specific languages are useful and thinks that > languages with facilities which allow the simple incremental > construction of such languages are therefore also useful. There's more to language than syntax, even if you find syntax important. E.g. some users want fancy type systems including for their DSL's. There are Lisp dialects that have that, but it's unfeasible in CL other than through the Turing tarpit of macros. I've mentioned this link before and it is pretty good: https://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/people/staff/dat/miranda/wadler87.pdf
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| From | tfb <tfb@work.it.out> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 12:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <115n0v3$2h2oe$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61467 |
Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote: > No language has 100% of constructs anyone might ever want. If it has > 90% and requires a little stretching for the other 10%, it's doing ok. No single language has 1% of constructs anyone might ever want. In fact there is no number which is small enough that any single language contains that proportion, because the number of such constructs is not bounded above. If you think it is, then I am sorry for you. A 'single language' here means 'a language without functions whose domains and ranges are programs', and in particular functions whose domain is programs written in some other language and whose range is programs written in the base language. Such 'single languages' don't really exist because you can always use them to write such functions. And the fact that people endlessly do something equivalent to this should be a hint. A weaker definition of 'single language' would be a system where facilities for creating functions which do this are not part of the base language. Common Lisp is not a single language; the Scheme standards were for a long time although probably no implementations were. The Scheme standard no longer is. The C standard is(unless it's changed a lot). > > There's more to language than syntax, even if you find syntax important. > E.g. some users want fancy type systems including for their DSL's. > There are Lisp dialects that have that, but it's unfeasible in CL other > than through the Turing tarpit of macros. > So you mean 'CL can't do this thing if you disallow the facility it has to enable you to do this thing and many other things'. Well, yes that's vacuous but true. -- tfeb.org/computer/
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 12:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87zeyoo77t.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61476 |
tfb <tfb@work.it.out> writes: > No single language has 1% of constructs anyone might ever want. If I can code fluently in a language, that is, I can think entirely about the application-level problem I'm trying to solve and not putting much effort into choosing language constructs, then it's supplying 100% of what I want at least at that moment. That's great. If I have to sometimes stop and think about language constructs and come up with something that works but isn't entirely natural, but this doesn't happen too often, I'm still satisfied. That's the 90% that I mean. If you're saying that even CL only has 1%, then what's so great about CL? Do you really think you can fix the other 99% with macros? That seems unrealistic.
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| From | tfb <tfb@work.it.out> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 12:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Macros (was Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) |
| Message-ID | <115n30i$2hot4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61467 |
I think it's worth understanding what macros actually mean. Most programming languages are dictatorships: a small, usually self-elected, self-important group of people designs a language, and thousands or millions of serfs have to suffer the consequences of their choices. Sometimes there is a pretense of some limited form of democracy: perhaps you, as a mere serf, can join the politburo and have a vote on what happens to the language. Sometimes this involves a payment to some nebulous standards organisation. Sometimes you can comment on suggested changes; sometimes people might listen to those comments. Sometimes the politburo is not largely made up of representatives (either explicit or implicit) of huge corporations who care not one jot about your interests. Changes, when they happen at all, take years. The language is ossified almost as soon as it exists. Almost always, for large systems, there will be tools built on top of the ossified substrate language which allow people to write programs in a way which actually matches their problem domain. Those tools are, in fact, *programming languages*, although they're usually implemented in an ad-hoc way by people who don't even realise that what they are doing is designing a programming language. They are therefore predictably horrible. If you have not used such an ad-hoc language you probably have not worked on a large system. Sometimes people make a better decision: they take an existing (usually dynamically typed as basically nobody likes static typing in the real world, usually either not compiled or dynamically compiled) language which has a good interface to the ossified substrate and expose functionality written in the ossified substrate to the more flexible surface language. NumPy and all its relations are the canonical example of this. That's at least better than the thing implemented using m4 on top of Fortran or whatever. But the thing written in m4 on top of Fortran is *still* better than using Fortran directly (and this is not because Fortran, today, is a bad language, which is is not, it's because it's an ossified language). Quite often what happens is that user or group of users of a language gets so fed up with this process that they design a new language which better meets their needs, perhaps starting with one of the ad-hoc languages above. That language then develops its own self-important politburo, becomes ossified. Recurse. Lisp chose something else. Lisp chose not to be a dictatorship, but to treat its users as adults capable of making their own decisions: decisions which were as good as the decisions of the politburo if not better. Decisions which, certainly, relfected the needs of the users making the decisions rather than some distant observer. Lisp looked at what *actually happens* in the world rather than in the heads of the politburo members, and it saw that what happened was the endless invention of new languages, either for specific problem domains, or just because the existing languages were so terrible. And it said, 'OK, let's make that a feature, not something you have to fight your way towards. Let's build a language whose defining feature is that it lets you build languages. Let's allow it to let you build languages *incrementally*, rather than putting some enormous barrier in your way. So you can take an existing language and define some extensions to it, and those extensions wil have exactly the same status as the original language does.' If you disagree with the decisions of the politburo you don't have to wait five years for the members to die and the decision to change, you can just make the system do what you want, today. Lisp understood that this means you have to make some compromises. The most significant is that the syntax of the language must have very low commitment to the semantics. That makes the language rather austere, but it means that you, the user of the language, get to say what the semantics is, without having to jump through some huge ring of fire and getting burned in the process. Lisp is a system built by people who understand how utterly stupid the claim that any programming language contains 90% of all the constructs anyone will ever need is. Lisp is a democracy. It is perhaps more than a democracy: it either is or is close to an anarchy. Anarchies obviously work only if their citizens are actually adults and if they are willing to cooperate with one another. But, well, Lisp assumes you are. If you're not an adult, or if you can't deal with cooperating with other people in the design of the language you're going to use, or if you like someone telling you what to do then, well, do what thou wilt. Lisp understands that a consequence of this anarchy is that different groups of users working on different projects will end up using differing languages, or dialects (*a shprakh iz a dyalekt mit an armey un flot*, famously), and it also understands that *that's what happens anyway*, except the languages and dialects people end up using are usually things created using tools whose only datatype is the string. Like I say: if you're happy to live as a serf in a dictactorship, or if you feel you might become a dictator, then that's OK. But please, stay the fuck away from those of us who want not to be serfs or dictators, and who want to make our own decisions in a community of our equals. -- tfeb.org/computer/
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 12:08 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Macros (was Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) |
| Message-ID | <87v79co6zk.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61480 |
tfb <tfb@work.it.out> writes: > Sometimes there is a pretense of some limited form of democracy: perhaps > you, as a mere serf, can join the politburo and have a vote on what happens > to the language. I haven't seen this url in a while but I guess it's time to post it again. https://www.marktarver.com/bipolar.html
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| From | Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-15 10:01 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Macros |
| Message-ID | <27264.10961.451730.952075@parhasard.net> |
| In reply to | #61484 |
Ar an ceathrú lá déag de mí Lúnasa, scríobh Paul Rubin: > I haven't seen this url in a while but I guess it's time to post it > again. > > https://www.marktarver.com/bipolar.html Thanks, glad to have read that. -- ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out / How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’ (C. Moore)
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2026-08-15 12:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Macros (was Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) |
| Message-ID | <6a806273$0$11459$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #61484 |
Le 14-08-2026, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> a écrit : > I haven't seen this url in a while but I guess it's time to post it > again. > > https://www.marktarver.com/bipolar.html This url is not that news and I never saw it anywhere. Maybe you already sent it but as my ISP is broken, I don't see all the messages. So it's the first time I see this link. Many thanks for this. It tells me things about me which don't concern you. But it told me things about LISP which always eluded me. The fact is that LISP is almost never used is the real life. I know stump, nyxt and guix are LISP programs, but they represent less than 0.[n]01% of users (I have no clue about the number of zeros represented by n here, but I'd say you can put a big number). Because if I know that LISP inspired a lot of things actually used in other programming languages, I know that nobody actually is learning LISP or computer history or anything that could explain why so many messages about LISP are shared compared with the number of people using it in a day to day basis. I'm not a programmer, but as computer science is allowing me to get things in my stomach (and as a French guy, what I put in my stomach is very important don't belittle that part), I have to follow up on what's happening in computer world. And I found a lot of things about LISP. Don't get me wrong. I find something like 1% of blogs/articles/whatever related to LISP. You can think it as small, but compared to what LISP is used in real life, it's huge. For each article/blog/whatever about C or C++ or COBOL, I can see at least ten articles/blog/whatever about LISP. And it's something. And I wondered about it from a long, long time. And this links explains a lot, thanks. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> |
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| Date | 2026-08-16 15:27 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: Macros (was Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) |
| Message-ID | <87tsot3opc.fsf@safunu.org> |
| In reply to | #61486 |
Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> writes: [...] > I'm not a programmer, but as computer science is allowing me to get > things in my stomach (and as a French guy, what I put in my stomach is > very important don't belittle that part), I have to follow up on what's > happening in computer world. And I found a lot of things about LISP. > Don't get me wrong. I find something like 1% of blogs/articles/whatever > related to LISP. You can think it as small, but compared to what LISP is > used in real life, it's huge. For each article/blog/whatever about C or > C++ or COBOL, I can see at least ten articles/blog/whatever about LISP. > And it's something. Interesting.
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| From | Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> |
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| Date | 2026-08-16 15:26 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: Macros (was Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) |
| Message-ID | <874igt53cp.fsf@safunu.org> |
| In reply to | #61480 |
tfb <tfb@work.it.out> writes: > I think it's worth understanding what macros actually mean. [...] I think that's a pretty good description of the whole thing. Thanks for writing and posting it.
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-12 13:18 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <RmTeS.214701$la89.42778@fx06.ams4> |
| In reply to | #61340 |
On 09/08/2026 4:52 PM, tfb wrote: > Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote: >> >> I've found the Common Lisp macro system annoying enough that I rarely >> use it. I'm OK with functions most of the time, and CLOS the rest of >> the time. And only resort to macros when I can't do anything else in >> the situation. >> > > It is so weird that people use a language whose defining feature is the > incremental construction of languages and then say they don't use that > feature. I mean, I'm aware people do that, but it's just so fucking weird. > No the subject of /weird/, I've also found it highly bizarre, if not outright disturbing, that people don't use do ... while(); in C. It's an eminently useful structured programming pattern. On the subject of Common Lisp, I find it more than disturbing when a codebase lacks the basic usage of hash tables. https://www.sbcl.org/manual/#hash-table-extensions Happy coding disturbing things! -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
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| From | bixbox <noreply@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-12 10:16 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <115ha5n$kncd$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61405 |
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes: > On 09/08/2026 4:52 PM, tfb wrote: >> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote: > No the subject of /weird/, I've also found it highly bizarre, if not > outright disturbing, that people don't use do ... while(); in C. It's > an eminently useful structured programming pattern. Finally, every time that I open a PR with that pattern I get questioned and frown. It's such disturbing. > > On the subject of Common Lisp, I find it more than disturbing when a > codebase lacks the basic usage of hash tables. > > https://www.sbcl.org/manual/#hash-table-extensions unless you find some code base that use hash table all over the place. :) bix
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| From | Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> |
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| Date | 2026-08-10 14:21 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <875x1i414d.fsf@eder.anydns.info> |
| In reply to | #61336 |
On So 09 Aug 2026 at 05:26, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > On 06/08/2026 12:13 AM, Anton Antimo wrote: >> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes: >> >>> On 31/07/2026 11:21 PM, Anton Antimo wrote: >>>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes: >>>> [...] >>>> >>>>>>> Sadly we've also ended up with programmers who think the machines >>>>>>> they program for are giant PDP-11s, and as a result machines which >>>>>>> spend a huge amount of effort pretending to be giant PDP-11s. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's all a tragedy. >>>>> >>>>> The tragedy is not using Common Lisp for everything. >>>> >>>> I loved this bit and I have a feeling you're correct. My little >>>> experience with Common Lisp is that it allows me to write the equivalent >>>> fast code that I'd write in C, where speed matters. In other words, I >>>> seem to gain nothing (other than more work) by writing typical >>>> applications in C. >>> >>> The fun is in writing atypical applications, and then finding yourself >>> looking at the disassembly in SBCL. >> I actually do that every now and then just to learn a bit more about >> assembly, something I find so cool about SBCL (and lacking in other >> close-to-the-language tools). >> Speaking of which, I decided to try Common Lisp about 2 years ago, >> having struggled to deal with Racket for over ten years, nevertheless >> considering Racket the most elegant Lisp around ever since its birth. >> And, boy, did I never look back. >> (*) A critique of Racket >> To be fair, a big part of my struggle is the thick layer of Racket on >> top of POSIX. For instance, try to locate the equivalent select-call on >> it. It's so hard to recognize exactly how your Racket maps to the lower >> level. I understand that may a strong point of Racket's design, but it >> certainly hits my weakness. >> How about the macro system? So perfect, yet so annoying. One thing I >> love about Common Lisp is precisely macro's (lack of) hygiene. I'm >> totally fine with complete guarantee. Anaphoric macros are so useful. >> (No idea how to implement them in Racket---impossible?) > > I've found the Common Lisp macro system annoying enough that I rarely > use it. I'm OK with functions most of the time, and CLOS the rest of > the time. And only resort to macros when I can't do anything else in > the situation. That us exactly where it should be used - when there is no other way. 'Andreas -- ceterum censeo redmondinem esse delendam
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| From | Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-11 22:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20260811132059.46@kylheku.com> |
| In reply to | #61362 |
On 2026-08-10, Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> wrote: > On So 09 Aug 2026 at 05:26, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >> I've found the Common Lisp macro system annoying enough that I rarely >> use it. I'm OK with functions most of the time, and CLOS the rest of >> the time. And only resort to macros when I can't do anything else in >> the situation. > > That us exactly where it should be used - when there is no other way. I don't agree, because that amounts to macros never being used. It's never the case that there is no other way, because in place of any macro, you can write the expansion by hand. Macros should be used when it's better to use them than not. It makes the code easier to write, read, maintain. That's it. When you use CLOS and functions, you are using macros; your program is free of macro definitions because you are using ones that were provided like defclass and defmethod. Macros allowed that CLOS stuff to be developd more like a software project---people experimenting with and iterating on implementations of an object system---rather than a committee; though of course there was that too. -- TXR Programming Language: http://nongnu.org/txr Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 14:37 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <4JyfS.425$BAea.290@fx01.ams4> |
| In reply to | #61392 |
On 12/08/2026 6:14 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > On 2026-08-10, Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> wrote: >> On So 09 Aug 2026 at 05:26, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>> I've found the Common Lisp macro system annoying enough that I rarely >>> use it. I'm OK with functions most of the time, and CLOS the rest of >>> the time. And only resort to macros when I can't do anything else in >>> the situation. >> >> That us exactly where it should be used - when there is no other way. > > I don't agree, because that amounts to macros never being used. Thank you for reading my mind. As it happens, you got it wrong, and I suggest you take another class in telepathy. At minimum, your license should be revoked, and you yourself subjected to a brutal interrogation by the /inquisition/ for misusing telepathy. I'm sure Eisenhorn is on the case. Anyway, what I meant to be getting at, is there are /patterns/ in Lisp that cannot be done with mere functions. I forgot exactly which pattern I last used in anger that was impossible to make a function, so I'll let you divine several examples. Have fun. > > It's never the case that there is no other way, because in place of > any macro, you can write the expansion by hand. They can also be done by the text editor. XEmacs' skeletons come to mind. Please enjoy rewriting all your macros as skeletons, it should be a good exercise for you! -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
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| From | George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-08 19:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <g1cf7l9sd0efdvgb0lu1p78kj9jdpi5u3q@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #61300 |
On Wed, 05 Aug 2026 13:13:42 -0300, Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> wrote: >(*) A critique of Racket > >To be fair, a big part of my struggle is the thick layer of Racket on >top of POSIX. For instance, try to locate the equivalent select-call on >it. It's so hard to recognize exactly how your Racket maps to the lower >level. I understand that may a strong point of Racket's design, but it >certainly hits my weakness. To be fair, you need to understand that Racket is multi-platform, needs to run on Windows, and Windows [for the most part] does not implement POSIX functions. Racket's network [and filesystem, and ... ] implementation tries to abstract over equivalent behaviors on all the target platforms. >How about the macro system? So perfect, yet so annoying. One thing I >love about Common Lisp is precisely macro's (lack of) hygiene. I'm >totally fine with complete guarantee. Anaphoric macros are so useful. >(No idea how to implement them in Racket---impossible?) Racket has its roots in Scheme. Scheme is defined in terms of source /text/ rather than the compiler's AST. So there is no real equivalent of Lisp's AST macros. That said, Racket does support Lisp-like unhygienic macros with 'define-macro'. Apologies for the ridiculous length of the URL. https://docs.racket-lang.org/compatibility/defmacro.html#%28form._%28%28lib._compatibility%2Fdefmacro..rkt%29._define-macro%29%29
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| From | steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-09 19:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <878q6evqfi.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #61339 |
George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> writes: > To be fair, you need to understand that Racket is multi-platform, > needs to run on Windows, and Windows [for the most part] does not > implement POSIX functions. Can you use CYGwin? it is a bit ugly but it is POSIX. Microsoft should be able to introduce a POSIX level (xyz) rather easily; they just don't do that. It's like the Xterminal. dunno, I cannot use windows 11; it needs a credit card. God bless the Free Software Project!
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| From | George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-11 11:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iigm7l9tud3gaph7ep5h66lt74dgfdv6ke@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #61354 |
On Sun, 09 Aug 2026 19:12:49 -0400, steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> wrote: >George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> writes: > >> To be fair, you need to understand that Racket is multi-platform, >> needs to run on Windows, and Windows [for the most part] does not >> implement POSIX functions. > >Can you use CYGwin? it is a bit ugly but it is POSIX. Microsoft should >be able to introduce a POSIX level (xyz) rather easily; they just don't >do that. It's like the Xterminal. I'm not aware that Racket can run over Cygwin. If it can, I would bet that GUI/graphical programs won't work. Certainly you can create an interface to Cygwin and use it directly. [You can do this with pretty much any library.] >dunno, I cannot use windows 11; it needs a credit card. God bless the >Free Software Project!
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| From | steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-13 19:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87o6f5txgz.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #61381 |
George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> writes: > On Sun, 09 Aug 2026 19:12:49 -0400, steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I'm not aware that Racket can run over Cygwin. If it can, I would bet > that GUI/graphical programs won't work. > > Certainly you can create an interface to Cygwin and use it directly. > [You can do this with pretty much any library.] Yeah, i figured that no graphics would be their thing. I do remeber the cygwin people talking about make an X Window type interface. dunno how they plan to do that when the software changes ever other day that it rains.
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| From | Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> |
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| Date | 2026-08-10 10:48 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87h5l2ytkv.fsf@safunu.org> |
| In reply to | #61339 |
George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> writes: > On Wed, 05 Aug 2026 13:13:42 -0300, Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> > wrote: > > >>(*) A critique of Racket >> >>To be fair, a big part of my struggle is the thick layer of Racket on >>top of POSIX. For instance, try to locate the equivalent select-call >>on it. It's so hard to recognize exactly how your Racket maps to the >>lower level. I understand that may a strong point of Racket's design, >>but it certainly hits my weakness. > > To be fair, you need to understand that Racket is multi-platform, > needs to run on Windows, and Windows [for the most part] does not > implement POSIX functions. > > Racket's network [and filesystem, and ... ] implementation tries to > abstract over equivalent behaviors on all the target platforms. I understand that. I shouldn't have written "a critique of Racket" as my post is really personal. It's my weakness. I think in terms of POSIX---likely because I started there. I got to know Racket after giving myself a year of C and UNIX. Now, in my defense, I think my situation would be worse if I had started out in Racket and then later discovered C and UNIX, say. Call me stupid or whatever, but I'm happy where I am. And by the way some of my complains can also be exactly applied to Common Lisp. For instance, I think Common Lisp doesn't have the semantics of POSIX's read(2). I suppose there are libraries out there that might go lower level (than Common Lisp's) and then give you an abstraction that mimics read(2), but that's beside the point. In the end I think we need to deal with the likely-fact that we can't really write every program as something 100% portable (and not to be totally slow at the same time, say). But anyway I totally understand your point here. Thanks for sharing. >>How about the macro system? So perfect, yet so annoying. One thing I >>love about Common Lisp is precisely macro's (lack of) hygiene. I'm >>totally fine with complete guarantee. Anaphoric macros are so useful. >>(No idea how to implement them in Racket---impossible?) > > Racket has its roots in Scheme. Scheme is defined in terms of source > /text/ rather than the compiler's AST. So there is no real equivalent > of Lisp's AST macros. Interesting. I bet this has been one my major difficulties because I had never quite understood that and I probably still don't. I had realized I always needed to manipulate the syntax objects as opposed to sexps and it was always confusing to insert a new identifier into the generating code and so on. The blame is of course always on me, but yeah---difficult-to-understand stuff. Common Lisp is a lot simpler, I feel. (Let me also say that I was never able to understand Scheme compilers' error messages, Racket included.) Is there an article out there that elaborate your paragraph here? I'd like to learn more about these differences. I suppose the Scheme people would have very strong arguments to go their way. > That said, Racket does support Lisp-like unhygienic macros with > 'define-macro'. Apologies for the ridiculous length of the URL. > > https://docs.racket-lang.org/compatibility/defmacro.html#%28form._%28%28lib._compatibility%2Fdefmacro..rkt%29._define-macro%29%29 We need a project that can promise to shorten and maintain URLs for 50 years, say. (I say fifty so a single hacker can keep it running during his lifetime. After 50 years, a young hacker takes it on for another 50.) It'a pity that Google Inc. let us down with goo.gl.
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