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| Started by | Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> |
|---|---|
| First post | 2026-02-20 22:53 +0100 |
| Last post | 2026-08-20 10:16 -0300 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 641 — 40 participants |
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Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-20 22:53 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2026-02-20 22:00 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-21 12:25 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-02-21 10:24 -0500
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-21 21:30 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-22 01:08 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-22 04:59 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-02-22 10:59 +0530
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-22 21:48 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:43 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 20:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 00:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:28 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:32 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:27 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 17:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:16 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:53 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Axel Reichert <mail@axel-reichert.de> - 2026-06-09 12:07 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:14 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 00:01 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-17 05:53 +0000
[OT] Disappearing documentation (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 09:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Disappearing documentation steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:05 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:01 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 17:22 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:59 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 00:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:43 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:45 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anthk GM <anthk@disroot.org> - 2026-08-15 22:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-15 23:38 +0000
Buy the official standard from A.N.S.I. (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-16 11:25 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 00:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-09 01:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:50 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:40 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:26 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:10 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 21:37 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Joerg Mertens <joerg-mertens@t-online.de> - 2026-06-17 12:04 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-17 11:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 13:57 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 13:32 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-18 14:21 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-19 08:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-19 04:27 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 21:24 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:00 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 07:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-18 12:53 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-18 21:28 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-19 15:08 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-19 22:32 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:56 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-21 14:57 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-22 09:11 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-24 22:14 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-25 11:20 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:21 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-29 19:00 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:34 +0000
Python blanks (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-02 08:39 +0100
Re: Python blanks ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-02 09:24 +0000
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 21:10 +0000
Re: Python blanks Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:34 +0100
Re: Python blanks George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-03 02:10 -0400
Re: Python blanks Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:21 +0100
Re: Python blanks Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 01:47 -0700
Re: Python blanks Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 17:42 -0400
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 04:15 +0000
Re: Python blanks yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2026-07-03 12:51 +0042
Re: Python blanks Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 11:34 -0700
Re: Python blanks Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2026-07-04 04:03 +0000
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 04:18 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 11:34 +0000
Re: Python blanks ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-09 13:15 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 13:24 +0000
Re: Python blanks antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-07-09 14:01 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 14:39 +0000
Re: Python blanks antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-07-09 21:03 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 21:23 +0000
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 23:09 +0000
Re: Python blanks steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 23:05 -0400
Re: Python blanks George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-06 09:57 -0400
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 23:08 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-02 13:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 05:45 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 10:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 18:43 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:28 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 17:22 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:24 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-04 21:48 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 23:56 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:43 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-20 22:28 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-22 09:16 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:38 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-26 00:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 02:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:06 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 05:27 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:24 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 05:57 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-11 21:07 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 13:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 00:13 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 07:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:57 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 10:10 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:56 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:03 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 07:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 20:56 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-13 00:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 07:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 21:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:09 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 10:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:54 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-17 00:07 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 08:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:48 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:28 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 23:32 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-09 09:36 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-10 08:43 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:22 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-11 08:57 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-12 00:16 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 21:42 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 01:15 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-15 05:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 11:19 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:18 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-16 03:27 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 01:25 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:13 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 13:57 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:11 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-18 02:30 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:21 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:32 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:24 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 09:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:26 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-02 18:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:04 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-03 02:16 -0400
[OT] Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:29 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 10:18 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:51 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-04 09:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 21:44 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 05:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 08:43 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-06 05:13 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:03 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 14:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 08:42 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-05 11:02 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-06 01:10 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-06 05:21 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-07 11:52 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-07-08 01:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-08 03:04 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-07 19:30 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-07 19:34 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 22:03 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 05:44 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:21 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:22 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:15 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 16:04 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 12:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-13 14:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 14:15 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 10:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:58 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 23:53 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-17 05:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-17 01:43 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:07 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:58 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:52 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:04 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 06:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:30 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 00:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:46 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-15 06:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-15 12:25 -0700
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 00:11 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:37 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-13 21:25 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:37 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 01:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-15 05:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 11:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-16 03:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 04:59 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:10 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:42 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 06:01 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 15:53 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 13:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 20:31 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:04 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 17:44 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:36 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-14 10:36 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 23:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 18:04 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 12:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 02:56 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-27 20:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:37 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 16:55 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:41 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:44 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 07:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:30 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:08 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:53 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 22:00 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-05 22:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-08 22:05 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:42 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:48 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 21:18 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 11:19 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-11 10:00 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 18:31 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 19:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 20:56 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 20:21 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 22:44 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 22:50 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 16:28 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-13 05:03 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-14 07:14 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-14 06:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:33 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 11:42 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-13 15:39 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 16:52 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 05:04 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:16 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-14 00:11 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-13 17:16 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 10:27 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-13 20:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:04 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-13 23:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-14 09:27 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-11 23:35 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 18:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 21:14 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 21:01 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:20 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 09:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 21:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 21:26 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:19 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 16:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-11 23:30 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 16:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 17:53 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-11 20:39 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-12 23:23 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-08-10 15:05 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-08 22:00 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-08 14:14 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-08 14:45 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 02:18 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:47 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-11 11:38 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-13 18:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-15 21:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:20 -0300
Names for GenAI (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:30 +0100
Re: Names for GenAI ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-14 12:49 +0000
Re: Names for GenAI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 13:56 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-29 16:16 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 13:46 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-30 17:15 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:07 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:26 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 16:06 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-11 15:03 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 12:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-13 15:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 20:37 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:18 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-29 22:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:15 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-30 21:05 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-31 08:01 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-04 22:08 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-05 11:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-05 23:46 +0530
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 19:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-08-10 14:44 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:21 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:17 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-07-31 12:21 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-01 01:48 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-05 13:13 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 21:48 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-08-06 09:05 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 11:33 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-06 15:49 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-06 20:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-08-07 09:36 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-07 11:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-08-08 19:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 21:59 -0400
Reader macros (was: Resources to learn common lisp?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-08-09 11:51 -0400
Re: Reader macros Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 00:48 -0700
Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 05:33 +0800
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:11 -0700
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-08-10 14:57 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 13:10 -0700
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-10 17:41 -0300
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 23:53 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-08-11 14:29 +0000
kqueues and port_create() (was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:51 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-11 20:59 -0700
Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 13:07 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-08-12 03:23 -0400
Re: kqueues and port_create() Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:50 +0000
Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:33 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-12 02:22 -0700
Re: kqueues and port_create() Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-08-12 20:55 -0400
Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:37 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-12 12:59 -0700
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:26 +0100
D.N.S. in Common Lisp (was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:59 +0800
Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-12 09:01 -0300
Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:20 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-12 20:46 -0700
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 14:28 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp bixbox <noreply@example.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:46 +0200
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 12:19 -0300
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:24 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-13 17:39 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 20:58 -0300
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:42 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:46 +0100
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 15:29 -0300
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-13 17:31 -0700
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 14:04 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:52 -0700
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 10:27 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-15 01:19 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-13 16:14 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:31 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:52 +0100
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 12:30 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-15 01:33 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-15 19:44 -0400
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 15:06 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-06 18:05 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 05:26 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-08 18:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-09 08:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-09 11:50 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 23:01 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 19:09 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:36 +0000
What do you need from S.B.C.L? (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-10 05:32 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 19:02 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-10 00:56 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:30 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-12 16:31 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-12 17:20 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 14:28 +0800
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-08-11 20:20 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 21:35 -0400
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-21 02:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-14 03:27 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 12:16 +0000
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Macros (was Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 12:51 +0000
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Re: Macros (was Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 15:27 -0300
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 13:18 +0800
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-08-10 14:21 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-08-11 22:14 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 14:37 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-08 19:08 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 19:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-11 11:45 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-13 19:25 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-10 10:48 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 23:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 21:25 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-11 12:20 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-12 13:06 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 17:16 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 12:46 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-31 22:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-01 07:38 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:26 -0400
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-01 09:08 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:37 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 16:54 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-02 07:39 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:39 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 23:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-01 16:12 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:50 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:02 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 19:36 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 02:11 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:49 -0400
Short wave radio, French (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:03 +0800
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:48 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 20:34 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 06:00 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 00:52 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 07:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 13:35 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 22:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 17:37 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:53 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:26 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:50 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 23:52 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-01 05:24 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:47 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 02:54 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 23:11 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 07:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 19:25 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 21:10 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:26 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 13:05 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 00:07 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:49 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-06 05:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:26 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-09 12:04 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-07-09 14:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 19:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-07-09 21:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-10 07:37 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-10 10:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-10 03:35 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 17:32 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:48 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-30 21:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 00:49 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-04 09:56 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:08 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 08:57 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 09:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 10:03 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 10:44 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 11:05 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 11:09 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:45 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:50 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:41 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 15:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:47 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:39 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-30 13:47 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-01 10:26 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:38 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-01 18:47 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-01 18:52 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-07-02 20:33 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:50 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 08:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 11:41 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-07-03 19:37 -0400
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-04 09:40 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-07-08 19:07 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-27 13:48 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 02:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-15 09:51 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 03:14 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 03:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-26 21:47 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:18 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 16:36 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-02 22:20 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:36 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:29 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 16:41 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 09:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-29 18:41 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 04:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-04 07:46 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:31 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-16 10:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 21:34 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-17 15:02 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 04:14 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-18 12:44 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 10:09 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 10:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 08:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-09 13:26 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 23:04 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 02:45 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 13:14 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 02:30 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 15:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-19 07:01 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-19 11:41 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:38 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 13:58 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 22:19 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 20:42 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:08 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:27 +0100
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-06-29 14:35 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-29 23:27 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-01 16:21 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:21 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-01 08:57 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-07-01 14:29 +0530
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:17 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 21:32 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 07:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-05 22:14 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 23:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-06 08:04 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-06 08:00 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:57 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tpeplt <tpeplt@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 17:44 -0500
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-21 12:30 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-20 23:50 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-21 00:24 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-21 12:44 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 17:47 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-31 23:41 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tpeplt <tpeplt@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 13:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 21:59 -0400
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Peri Didaskalou <pfd@torfree.net> - 2026-05-01 10:57 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Peri Didaskalou <pfd@torfree.net> - 2026-05-01 11:06 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-01 14:56 -0400
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-03 03:16 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? kotorifan <mindyourownbiz@noemail.fuck> - 2026-08-02 16:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 22:53 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-13 23:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 10:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-02 16:56 -0700
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| From | tfb <tfb@work.it.out> |
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| Date | 2026-07-09 11:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <112o1d8$btfc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61190 |
tfb <tfb@work.it.out> wrote: > > Every value in CL is an object, every object belongs to a class. You can't > subclass some builtin classes. Functions and classes are classes. > Sorty: functions and classes are objects which belong to classes (which are objects ...) -- tfeb.org/computer/
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| From | Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2026-07-03 19:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <86se5zr6ez.fsf@williamsburg.bawden.org> |
| In reply to | #61094 |
Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> writes: > All CPython integers are boxed, but small ones (-5 through +250 or > something like that) are pre-allocated. Sounds awful but I think some > Lisps also have done that. For example, PDP-10 MacLisp. The PDP-10 is a word addressed machine, where addresses are 18 bits, and words are 36 bits. PDP-10 integers are 36 bits long, so pretty much your only choice for representing fixnums is as an 18-bit pointer to a 36-bit signed integer, i.e. "boxed". (And that single 36-bit word is all there is. The type is determined by the memory address, and GC mark bits are kept in their own segment of memory.) This does mean that arithmetic is _potentially_ consing all the time, but various things are done to make this less of a problem: • A range of small integers is pre-allocated. Exactly the technique mentioned above. • The compiler does not heap allocate intermediate results. So if you write `(+ (* a b) 7)`, the compiler may have to unbox the values of `a` and `b`, but then it can multiply and immediately add 7 without allocating an intermediate fixnum. (Note that the functions `+`, `*`, etc. are _defined_ to be operations on 36-bit words, so the compiler doesn't have to worry about overflow -- unlike in Common Lisp.) • If an intermediate fixnum needs to be allocated, say to pass as an argument to another function, it can be allocated in a special area of memory that has fixnum type, but that is managed as a stack -- the GC doesn't touch it. That temparary number is then popped out of existence after the function call returns. This does mean that the compiler has to constantly worry that an object that it is about to store someplace permanent might be a stack allocated "PDL number". The utility that replaces a potential PDL number with a permanent number is named "PDLNMK", and every serious MacLisp programmer knows exactly what it does because it frequently appears in our compiled code. • If a function returns a fixnum value, you can declare that fact to the compiler, which will then arrange to give that function an alternate entry point that directly returns the 36-bit value (in a non-GC-marked register). All callers that know about this declaration will use that alternate entry point. • Additional type declarations can make the compiler generate even better code. Common Lisp's declaration system was heavily influenced by MacLisp's. If you are willing to read the generated code, and you are sufficiently determined, you can declare your way to pretty optimal numeric machine code. (The process feels very similar to the way I've sometimes persuaded sbcl to produce much better code.) • There are fixnum-only arrays that contain 36-bit integers (not 18-bit pointers to integers). These can bite you if you are not careful, as every reference to such an array potentially allocates a fixnum in the heap! But used carefully, in combination with the techniques above, you can write code that manipulates arrays of machine integers without ever consing a single fixnum object. Everything I've said here also applies equally to the PDP-10's 36-bit floating point numbers (called "flonums" by MacLisp.) There's a paper by Guy Steele titled "Fast Arithmetic in MacLisp" that describes all these techniques in detail: <hdl.handle.net/1721.1/6279>. -- Alan Bawden
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-03 18:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <875x2vy22n.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61138 |
Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> writes: > For example, PDP-10 MacLisp.... Thanks for this long and interesting post. I don't have much of a response but I can say that I read all of it with appreciation. Today, I guess that in such an implementation, CPU instructions are so much faster than memory accesses that there's not much slowdown from checking arithmetic results for belonging in the permanently allocated set. Can I ask if that was an issue in the Maclisp era? There was a time (maybe not now) when given a semispace GC and a fast bump allocator, you could spew garbage with total abandon, not worrying at all about temporary consing. I think SML/NJ worked like that. It may have been because of cheap memory (compared to the PDP-10 era) combined with CPU's not yet having outstripped memory speed by so much. Which is to say, one can't identify the "right" designs from first principles. A lot depends on the actual characteristics of the target hardware. I think SML/NJ got a speedup by using the machine's paging hardware to raise an address fault when the bump allocator hit the end of heap space, instead of spending actual CPU instructions checking that the pointer was in range on each allocation. It generated THAT much garbage.
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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> |
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| Date | 2026-07-04 09:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jwv7bnaubit.fsf-monnier+comp.lang.lisp@gnu.org> |
| In reply to | #61142 |
> I think SML/NJ got a speedup by using the machine's paging hardware to > raise an address fault when the bump allocator hit the end of heap > space, instead of spending actual CPU instructions checking that the > pointer was in range on each allocation. IIRC it used a plan old test to detect when running out of heap space, but it tried to avoid making such checks on each and every allocation. Basically, the test was done once per loop iteration and tested for the presence of enough memory until the next test. AFAIK it's a pretty common approach which also naturally makes those tests be natural "safe points" (i.e. places in the code where the compiler makes sure the state of the memory and registers follows all the conventions that the GC requires). > It generated THAT much garbage. Still does. It generates so much garbage because it allocates everything on the heap, never on the stack (which works great for call/cc and extra-lightweight threads). === Stefan
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| From | Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2026-07-08 19:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <86ik6pqdv6.fsf@williamsburg.bawden.org> |
| In reply to | #61142 |
Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> writes: > Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> writes: >> For example, PDP-10 MacLisp.... > > Thanks for this long and interesting post. I don't have much of a > response but I can say that I read all of it with appreciation. Today, > I guess that in such an implementation, CPU instructions are so much > faster than memory accesses that there's not much slowdown from checking > arithmetic results for belonging in the permanently allocated set. Can > I ask if that was an issue in the Maclisp era? I don't know what metering may have been done at the time, but I'm pretty sure that the real motivation here is to avoid cluttering up heap space with lots of copies of small numbers like zero and one. An 18-bit address space is pretty small. Once you are running a program like Macsyma, which would regularly run out of memory, anything you can do to reduce the size of the heap is worth a few extra instructions every time you cons a fixnum. So it is not about the speed of instructions vs. the speed of memory, but more about just not having enough address space. -- Alan Bawden
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-27 13:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <871pdr3e26.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61019 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > * Most modern dynamic languages have more sophisticated data > structures, which involve rather less pointer-chasing than > traditional Lisp lists. DEFSTRUCT, cough.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-28 23:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111sb20$3ua8h$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61024 |
On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 13:48:17 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >> >> On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 12:33:19 -0000 (UTC), tfb wrote: >> >>> A reference counted system would have looked at, *and written the >>> reference counts of* all billion conses: about 250 times as many >>> as the GC. >> >> * Most modern dynamic languages have more sophisticated data >> structures, which involve rather less pointer-chasing than >> traditional Lisp lists. > > DEFSTRUCT, cough. A point the poster I was replying to needs to appreciate, perhaps?
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-27 02:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111ne8s$vsm3$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60898 |
On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 18:04:14 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > I also looked up Zorn's PhD thesis (about GC performance) from 1988: > > https://www2.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/1989/Archive/CSD-89-544.pdf > > Unfortunately, reference counting has fundamental disadvantages. > First and foremost, reference counting algorithms do not reclaim > storage allocated in circular structures. Modifications to the > traditional algorithm have been suggested to overcome this > problem, but the performance of the modified algorithm is > unacceptably slow. I would say that claim is long obsolete. As evidence, look at what the Python developers have done recently.
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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> |
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| Date | 2026-06-15 09:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jwv7bo02aiq.fsf-monnier+comp.lang.lisp@gnu.org> |
| In reply to | #60896 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro [2026-06-14 23:55:06] wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 10:36:48 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Yeah, GCs are very costly. Which makes it all the more amazing that >> reference counting is typically even worse. > Do you have a reference for that? One which shows that heap-intensive > operations are more efficient (size, speed) when doing with a garbage > collector than reference-counting? [ For the Nth time: I'm not talking about memory size, only about speed. And not specifically for "heap intensive" operations, but for just normal execution of "typical" programs. ] I don't have a reference, no. But I'm pretty sure there are plenty. I guess the most obvious argument is just the very small number of language implementations that use reference counting and are "high performance" (which presumably implies that the implementors have spent some effort to try and use an efficient memory management technique). I know there exists a GC for the JVM that uses reference counting, but it's only one out of many others. It is competitive speed-wise, but it took a lot of effort to get there (it's very far from a simple reference counting system like CPython's). There's also Lean which uses reference counting, but I haven't seen any indication that it's particularly fast. AFAIK, the main purpose is to allow "functional in place update" (by checking if the refcount is equal to 1), IOW circumvent the language constraint on everything being immutable yet without resorting to monads. Given the amount of effort poured into the GC of many language implementations, if reference counting was competitive speed-wise, it'd be used a lot more, since it's a lot easier to implement (and debug). === Stefan
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 00:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <110q516$o45a$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60910 |
On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 09:51:57 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > I guess the most obvious argument is just the very small number of > language implementations that use reference counting and are "high > performance" (which presumably implies that the implementors have > spent some effort to try and use an efficient memory management > technique). Perl was probably the pioneer here. Implementations use garbage collection simply because it’s so much easier to do, nothing more. As I mentioned elsewhere Java gets “high performance” by minimizing heap allocation, at the cost of writing more circumlocutory code. Lisp would be the same. What’s his name, Lisp guru Paul Graham, has a blog online where he talks about working on an early dotcom startup where the development language was Lisp. That gave them a lot of productivity boosts. But the core part of the in-memory database was implemented in C++, precisely where the garbage collector could not get its sticky fingers on it.
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 03:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87a4su6bcg.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #60913 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > Lisp would be the same. What’s his name, Lisp guru Paul Graham, has a > blog online where he talks about working on an early dotcom startup > where the development language was Lisp. That gave them a lot of > productivity boosts. But the core part of the in-memory database was > implemented in C++, precisely where the garbage collector could not > get its sticky fingers on it. Do you mean https://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html ? The mention of C++ was after he sold the company to Yahoo: In January 2003, Yahoo released a new version of the editor written in C++ and Perl. It's hard to say whether the program is no longer written in Lisp, though, because to translate this program into C++ they literally had to write a Lisp interpreter: the source files of all the page-generating templates are still, as far as I know, Lisp code. (See Greenspun's Tenth Rule.) He mentions that the ordering system of his site was written in C but doesn't say why. It's not that great an essay imho. And the stuff he says about Python now seems quaint.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-27 03:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111negf$vsm3$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60920 |
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 03:14:39 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>>
>> Lisp would be the same. What’s his name, Lisp guru Paul Graham, has
>> a blog online where he talks about working on an early dotcom
>> startup where the development language was Lisp. That gave them a
>> lot of productivity boosts. But the core part of the in-memory
>> database was implemented in C++, precisely where the garbage
>> collector could not get its sticky fingers on it.
>
> Do you mean https://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html ?
No, this one <https://paulgraham.com/carl.html>:
4. Because we have about 2 gigs of static data we need rapid
access to, we use C++ code to memory-map huge files containing
pointerless C structs (of flights, fares, etc), and then access
these from Common Lisp using foreign data accesses. A struct field
access compiles into two or three instructions, so there's not
really any performance. penalty for accessing C rather than Lisp
objects. By doing this, we keep the Lisp garbage collector from
seeing the data (to Lisp, each pointer to a C object is just a
fixnum, though we do often temporarily wrap these pointers in Lisp
objects to improve debuggability). Our Lisp images are therefore
only about 250 megs of "working" data structures and code.
> And the stuff he says about Python now seems quaint.
A lot of the stuff people are *still* saying about Python seems quaint
;).
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-26 21:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87a4sg37za.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61021 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > 4. Because we have about 2 gigs of static data we need rapid > access to, we use C++ code to memory-map huge files containing > pointerless C structs (of flights, fares, etc), and then access > these from Common Lisp using foreign data accesses. This sounds like there was no substantial C++ code other than an mmap call. As it was a chunk of static pointer-free data being mapped, there wasn't any allocation going on. It sounds to me like the CL implementation was missing mmap, so they used an FFI instead. Anyway it's perfectly normal to do stuff like that. It's consistent with what I've said earlier, about most stuff in the computer's memory not being under GC. Are you seriously saying reference counting could have somehow appeared instead? Fwiw I haven't used CL in a while, but GHC has several mmap modules, so the above approach wouldn't have needed C++ code. E.g.: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/mmap
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-27 23:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111plno$38udv$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61022 |
On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 21:47:21 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >> >> 4. Because we have about 2 gigs of static data we need rapid >> access to, we use C++ code to memory-map huge files containing >> pointerless C structs (of flights, fares, etc), and then access >> these from Common Lisp using foreign data accesses. > > This sounds like there was no substantial C++ code other than an mmap > call. As it was a chunk of static pointer-free data being mapped, there > wasn't any allocation going on. That was the point: to keep a large amount of data out of the hands of the Lisp garbage collector. > Anyway it's perfectly normal to do stuff like that. Admit that the Lisp garbage collector cannot scale to dealing with large amounts of data? > Are you seriously saying reference counting could have somehow > appeared instead? You say that facetiously, but that is in fact what people are doing nowadays, when they load huge amounts of data with NumPy, Pandas etc for analysis with Python code.
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-28 16:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87se661bmk.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61025 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > Admit that the Lisp garbage collector cannot scale to dealing with > large amounts of data? It's not a scaling issue in the slightest. > You say that facetiously, but that is in fact what people are doing > nowadays, when they load huge amounts of data with NumPy, Pandas etc > for analysis with Python code. NumPy and friends keep their data away from the CPython reference counting system the same way mmap keeps the mapped data away from a Lisp GC.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-03 04:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1127cfi$34rpg$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61033 |
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:36:03 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >> >> Admit that the Lisp garbage collector cannot scale to dealing with >> large amounts of data? > > It's not a scaling issue in the slightest. Large amounts of data => can’t cope. What would you call it, then? >> You say that facetiously, but that is in fact what people are doing >> nowadays, when they load huge amounts of data with NumPy, Pandas >> etc for analysis with Python code. > > NumPy and friends keep their data away from the CPython reference > counting system the same way mmap keeps the mapped data away from a > Lisp GC. They don’t, you know. Think of NumPy returning an array of floats: each float has to be allocated as a Python object. According to you (and others), that should be pretty much fatal to performance.
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-02 22:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87ik6wy7gm.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61126 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > Think of NumPy returning an array of floats: each float has to be > allocated as a Python object. Numpy float arrays don't work like that at all. They're more like in Python's array module, a bunch of packed floats in a C-like array in memory, though they can be non-contiguous. That's why types like np.int8 exist too. Of course numpy arrays can be converted to and from Python lists, but then the usual costs are incurred. The NP array is refcounted as a single object, as one would expect. See: https://numpy.org/doc/1.22/user/c-info.how-to-extend.html#getting-at-ndarray-memory-and-accessing-elements-of-the-ndarray
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-04 03:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <112a0cv$3scqc$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61128 |
On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 22:20:57 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >> >> Think of NumPy returning an array of floats: each float has to be >> allocated as a Python object. > > Numpy float arrays don't work like that at all. NumPy can do what it likes internally. That’s why I said “returning”: the result must still be Python-compatible.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-03 07:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1127l9q$36m4d$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61126 |
On 2026-07-03, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:36:03 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > >> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >>> >>> Admit that the Lisp garbage collector cannot scale to dealing with >>> large amounts of data? >> >> It's not a scaling issue in the slightest. > > Large amounts of data => can’t cope. > > What would you call it, then? "Ambiguity" for "plausible deniability", apparently, because what you just wrote doesn't really have enough detail to configure a problem at all, it can just describe issues with implementation of computer programs in real-life computer and computing machinery - the difference between "infinite tape" and a human computer's desk, paper and pens/pencils, or between "infinite tape" and a computer's resources. If you are going to be pointing fingers at others for "ambiguity" of this sort, it'd perhaps be at least considerate that you didn't do the same thing in your own posts in the same 24 hour period... (What is "*the* Lisp garbage collector"? Is that actually defined for all lisps? Encompassing Emacs Lisp and RnRS too?) -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 15:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <871pe65dbt.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #60913 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > Perl was probably the pioneer here. Implementations use garbage > collection simply because it’s so much easier to do, nothing more. Have you actually implemented both? I feel like a bunch of stuff you're saying come from inexperience. In my case I've implemented an Awk with reference counting and later a Lisp with GC. I used RC in the Awk because at that time, I didn't know how to write a GC. The GC in the Lisp that I wrote was quite simple but I still wouldn't say that it was easier than RC. Of course "serious" GC's are very intricate and not remotely comparable to the naive reference counting in something like Python. It's ridiculous to say it's easier. Here's Simon Marlow et al's 2008 paper on the GHC garbage collector: https://simonmar.github.io/bib/papers/parallel-gc.pdf I have a vague recollection that the GHC GC was later redone to be even more sophisticated. And it's nowhere near as fancy as the GC's used in Java which have gotten a lot more development energy. If of any interest, the current "big" Python implementation is CPython and it uses reference counting. MicroPython, a smaller Python version for microcontrollers, uses GC. Lua, considered a smaller-footprint and more embeddable language than Python, also uses GC. MicroPython ran on MCU's with as little as 16KB of ram (BBC Micro:bit v1) though that was very cramped. It's reasonably usable with 32KB. I don't think CPython could run at all on those machines. I'd be interested to know why CPython uses RC. If I ever meet Guido I'll try to remember to ask him. I do have the impression that immediate reclamation for stuff like file descriptors was claimed as a big advantage, before Python itself got RAII in the "with" statement. Slightly related, do you even use Lisp? I think your picture of how Lisp programs use memory is also unrealistic.
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