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| Started by | Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> |
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| First post | 2026-02-20 22:53 +0100 |
| Last post | 2026-08-14 01:36 +0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 628 — 38 participants |
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Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-20 22:53 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2026-02-20 22:00 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-21 12:25 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-02-21 10:24 -0500
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-21 21:30 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-22 01:08 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-22 04:59 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-02-22 10:59 +0530
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-22 21:48 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:43 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 20:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 00:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:28 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:32 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:27 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 17:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:16 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:53 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Axel Reichert <mail@axel-reichert.de> - 2026-06-09 12:07 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:14 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 00:01 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-17 05:53 +0000
[OT] Disappearing documentation (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 09:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Disappearing documentation steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:05 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:01 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 17:22 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:59 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 00:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:43 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:45 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anthk GM <anthk@disroot.org> - 2026-08-15 22:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-15 23:38 +0000
Buy the official standard from A.N.S.I. (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-16 11:25 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 00:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-09 01:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:50 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:40 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:26 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:10 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 21:37 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Joerg Mertens <joerg-mertens@t-online.de> - 2026-06-17 12:04 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-17 11:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 13:57 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 13:32 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-18 14:21 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-19 08:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-19 04:27 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 21:24 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:00 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 07:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-18 12:53 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-18 21:28 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-19 15:08 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-19 22:32 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:56 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-21 14:57 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-22 09:11 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-24 22:14 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-25 11:20 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:21 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-29 19:00 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:34 +0000
Python blanks (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-02 08:39 +0100
Re: Python blanks ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-02 09:24 +0000
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 21:10 +0000
Re: Python blanks Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:34 +0100
Re: Python blanks George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-03 02:10 -0400
Re: Python blanks Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:21 +0100
Re: Python blanks Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 01:47 -0700
Re: Python blanks Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 17:42 -0400
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 04:15 +0000
Re: Python blanks yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2026-07-03 12:51 +0042
Re: Python blanks Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 11:34 -0700
Re: Python blanks Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2026-07-04 04:03 +0000
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 04:18 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 11:34 +0000
Re: Python blanks ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-09 13:15 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 13:24 +0000
Re: Python blanks antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-07-09 14:01 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 14:39 +0000
Re: Python blanks antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-07-09 21:03 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 21:23 +0000
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 23:09 +0000
Re: Python blanks steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 23:05 -0400
Re: Python blanks George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-06 09:57 -0400
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 23:08 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-02 13:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 05:45 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 10:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 18:43 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:28 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 17:22 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:24 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-04 21:48 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 23:56 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:43 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-20 22:28 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-22 09:16 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:38 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-26 00:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 02:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:06 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 05:27 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:24 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 05:57 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-11 21:07 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 13:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 00:13 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 07:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:57 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 10:10 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:56 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:03 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 07:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 20:56 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-13 00:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 07:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 21:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:09 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 10:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:54 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-17 00:07 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 08:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:48 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:28 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 23:32 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-09 09:36 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-10 08:43 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:22 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-11 08:57 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-12 00:16 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 21:42 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 01:15 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-15 05:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 11:19 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:18 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-16 03:27 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 01:25 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:13 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 13:57 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:11 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-18 02:30 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:21 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:32 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:24 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 09:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:26 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-02 18:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:04 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-03 02:16 -0400
[OT] Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:29 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 10:18 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:51 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-04 09:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 21:44 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 05:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 08:43 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-06 05:13 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:03 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 14:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 08:42 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-05 11:02 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-06 01:10 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-06 05:21 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-07 11:52 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-07-08 01:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-08 03:04 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-07 19:30 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-07 19:34 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 22:03 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 05:44 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:21 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:22 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:15 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 16:04 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 12:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-13 14:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 14:15 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 10:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:58 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 23:53 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-17 05:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-17 01:43 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:07 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:58 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:52 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:04 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 06:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:30 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 00:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:46 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-15 06:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-15 12:25 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 07:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 17:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-12 00:16 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 00:11 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:37 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-13 21:25 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:37 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 01:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-15 05:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 11:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-16 03:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 04:59 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:10 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:42 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 06:01 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 15:53 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 13:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 20:31 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:04 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 17:44 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:36 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-14 10:36 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 23:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 18:04 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 12:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 02:56 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-27 20:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:37 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 16:55 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:41 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:44 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 07:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:30 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:08 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:53 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 22:00 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-05 22:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-08 22:05 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:42 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:48 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 21:18 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 11:19 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-11 10:00 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 18:31 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 19:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 20:56 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 20:21 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 22:44 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 22:50 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 16:28 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-13 05:03 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-14 07:14 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-14 06:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:33 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 11:42 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-13 15:39 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 16:52 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 05:04 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:16 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-14 00:11 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-13 17:16 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 10:27 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-13 20:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:04 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-13 23:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-14 09:27 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-11 23:35 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 18:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 21:14 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 21:01 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:20 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 09:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:19 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 16:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-11 23:30 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 16:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-11 20:39 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-12 23:23 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-08-10 15:05 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-08 22:00 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-08 14:14 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-08 14:45 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 02:18 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:47 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-11 11:38 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-13 18:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-15 21:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:20 -0300
Names for GenAI (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:30 +0100
Re: Names for GenAI ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-14 12:49 +0000
Re: Names for GenAI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 13:56 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-29 16:16 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 13:46 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-30 17:15 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:07 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:26 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 16:06 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-11 15:03 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 12:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-13 15:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 20:37 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:18 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-29 22:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:15 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-30 21:05 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-31 08:01 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-04 22:08 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-05 11:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-05 23:46 +0530
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 19:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-08-10 14:44 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:21 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:17 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-07-31 12:21 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-01 01:48 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-05 13:13 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 21:48 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-08-06 09:05 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 11:33 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-06 15:49 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-06 20:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-08-07 09:36 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-07 11:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-08-08 19:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
Reader macros (was: Resources to learn common lisp?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-08-09 11:51 -0400
Re: Reader macros Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 00:48 -0700
Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 05:33 +0800
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:11 -0700
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-08-10 14:57 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 13:10 -0700
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-10 17:41 -0300
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 23:53 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-08-11 14:29 +0000
kqueues and port_create() (was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:51 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-11 20:59 -0700
Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 13:07 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-08-12 03:23 -0400
Re: kqueues and port_create() Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:50 +0000
Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:33 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-12 02:22 -0700
Re: kqueues and port_create() Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-08-12 20:55 -0400
Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:37 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-12 12:59 -0700
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:26 +0100
D.N.S. in Common Lisp (was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:59 +0800
Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-12 09:01 -0300
Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:20 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-12 20:46 -0700
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 14:28 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp bixbox <noreply@example.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:46 +0200
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 12:19 -0300
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:24 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-13 17:39 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 20:58 -0300
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:42 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:46 +0100
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 15:29 -0300
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-13 17:31 -0700
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 14:04 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:52 -0700
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 10:27 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-15 01:19 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-13 16:14 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:31 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:52 +0100
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 12:30 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-15 01:33 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-15 19:44 -0400
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 15:06 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-06 18:05 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 05:26 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-08 18:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-09 08:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-09 11:50 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 23:01 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 19:09 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:36 +0000
What do you need from S.B.C.L? (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-10 05:32 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 19:02 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-10 00:56 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:30 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-12 16:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 17:07 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-12 17:20 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 14:28 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 00:54 -0700
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 23:55 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:26 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:50 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-01 05:24 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:47 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 02:54 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 07:31 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:46 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 00:07 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:49 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 00:49 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:31 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 08:57 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 10:03 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 10:44 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 11:05 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:42 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:45 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:41 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 15:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:46 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:39 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-30 13:47 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-01 10:26 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:38 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-01 18:47 -0700
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-07-02 20:33 -0400
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 02:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-15 09:51 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 03:14 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 03:02 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:18 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:06 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:58 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 16:41 -0700
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:52 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-17 15:02 -0400
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 23:04 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-19 07:01 +0000
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| From | Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> |
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| Date | 2026-08-13 12:19 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <87jypujbdt.fsf@safunu.org> |
| In reply to | #61428 |
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes:
> On 12/08/2026 8:01 PM, Anton Antimo wrote:
>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 11/08/2026 4:41 AM, Anton Antimo wrote:
>>>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/08/2026 5:48 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 05 Aug 2026 13:13:42 -0300, Anton Antimo wrote:
[...]
>>> Unhelpfully, Lawrence is always talking about some sort of select in
>>> Python, and then talks about polling in Linux, when he knows we don't
>>> care about the Linux kernel here in comp.lang.lisp, because the Steel
>>> Banks Common Lisp encapsulates the kernel for us.
>>
>> No sarcasm here. Lawrence has been doing a great service to the
>> current USENET. We can say whatever we want about his knowledge or
>> opinions or whatever, but he keeps a lot of people distracted here
>> and I'm sure these people are all looking for a distraction. And his
>> distractions are not all inadequate. He's usually bring up on-topic
>> things that allows people here to exercise their own skills. If
>> these contributions are too shallow---well---I'd say that's something
>> we can say about most USENET traffic these days. Because we're very
>> low volume these days, I think shallow contributions are better than
>> nothing. I prefer the shallow chat than no chat at all.
>
> And I prefer polite chat, such as the one we are now having. Thank you.
Yeah---rudeness in USENET is a reflection of the health state of its
participants.
> I can only talk about my own skillset in Common Lisp, which I will prob-
> ably have to say is not that great, having used it much less in anger
> than C -- and prior to that, C++ but that's a different story -- and so
> I got myself all the Lisp books I have amassed, most or all of them al-
> ready mentioned in various topics here in comp.lang.lisp.
>
> That said, life happened, and continues to happen, so I don't know when
> I'll get to increase my skillset in Lisp. As everyone in comp.lang.c
> knows, I'm currently going through Appel's compiler book in C, and well,
> also took a detour by re-reading Loudon's /Mastering Algorithms in C/,
> which while somewhat basic in the C, is very good at giving practical
> examples of the data structures in question.
>
> I've previously mentioned a similar book in Lisp, by Domkin. I'll get
> to it one of these decades.
I've thankfully read this one by Kyle Loudon as well. Keep your
studying going slowly, but constantly. There's no rush. Things
meaningfully evolve as fast as everybody says. There's no royal road to
knowledge and wisdom; no AI-road either. Keep it up; be careful with
your time on the USENET.
>>> And no, I don't know why Lawrence is always pretending to be a Python
>>> influencer here in comp.lang.lisp. I hope he's getting paid for it.
>>
>> From what I can tell, Lawrence never really caught the Lisp
>> culture---it can be seen in how he writes Lisp in the occasion he
>> does it. This means his criticism aren't very serious. He loves
>> Python, which is a way of saying---``thanks, Lisp, for the things
>> you've done for me.''
>
> I'm not sure I did either, to be honest. I just find it fascinating in
> many ways, and wish to increase my own skillset in Lisp, and of course,
> get a better immersion in the culture.
Try to understand when, why and how people did what they did. In other
words, I think history is very important in studying. New is not always
better.
> Personally, I think Lisp people need -- well, need is a strong word, but
> I'll go with it -- to get a little bit more behind the notion of practi-
> cality. I mean, the Steel Banks Common Lisp is fine, but many others
> aimed at beginners are exclusively geared towards facing the programmer
> him- -- or her- -- self. There is very little attention paid to the de-
> tails of creating binaries to share with friends. And by this, I mean
> the parts of the programmer facing documentation. I believe the Steel
> Banks Common Lisp manual does not mention how to create binary executa-
> bles? I believe I learned that from /Stack Overflow/ which everyone
> here in comp.lang.lisp knows is not a good place to learn how to do
> anything; not anymore.
See SBCL's sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die.
(sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die #P"my-executable.exe"
:toplevel #'my-package:main
:executable t
:save-runtime-options t)
Source:
https://www.sbcl.org/manual/
> If I'm not mistaken, we also have this problem with Racket. Racket is
> aimed at students, mostly, learning to code in Scheme, or the Scheme
> dialect that is Racket, but not how to create binaries to share their
> work with their loved ones who don't code.
That's what Racket claims. They claim it to be real-world, batteries
included and whatnot. They also create executable binaries like SBCL
does above.
> So I believe we need more books about Common Lisp. Especially how to
> make production games in Common Lisp. I mean, the Steel Banks Common
> Lisp garbage collector cannot be worse than the old one in Unity, and
> I currently believe C.L.O.S. is eminently suitable for three
> dimensional game objects.
>
> What do you think?
I never think about games, thankfully. I've played video-games from 11
to 14 years old, replacing them completely with UNIX, a great
investment.
Economically speaking, if CL had more users, there'd be more books. I
don't have much need for Common Lisp (strictly speaking) books myself.
I'm not trying myself to read more books on the language. What I'm
doing is writing more Common Lisp and reading more of it. What
certainly helps me is for people to use it, which then indirectly asks
for more books (but for the wrong reasons: the beginner often thinks
that something new is required for him to invest his time; reading an
old book seems like a waste of time for so many of them, but that's only
because they're beginners and might be for the rest of their lives).
> * Here I'm making fun of the YouTubian culture of only ever talk** about
> videos, and never anything published in books. "This guy made a video
> about something, and I'm going to talk about too" is the typical intro
> duction, if I remember correctly. I don't watch much of YouTube any-
> more.
>
> ** I'm going to leave this grammatical error.
Yeah---knowing how to use a natural language includes knowing how to
violate ``its grammar'' as well.
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 01:24 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <V4nfS.169744$ga2.85333@fx11.ams4> |
| In reply to | #61439 |
On 13/08/2026 11:19 PM, Anton Antimo wrote: > Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes: > >> On 12/08/2026 8:01 PM, Anton Antimo wrote: >>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes: >>> >>>> On 11/08/2026 4:41 AM, Anton Antimo wrote: >>>>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> On 06/08/2026 5:48 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 05 Aug 2026 13:13:42 -0300, Anton Antimo wrote: > > [...] > >>>> Unhelpfully, Lawrence is always talking about some sort of select in >>>> Python, and then talks about polling in Linux, when he knows we don't >>>> care about the Linux kernel here in comp.lang.lisp, because the Steel >>>> Banks Common Lisp encapsulates the kernel for us. >>> >>> No sarcasm here. Lawrence has been doing a great service to the >>> current USENET. We can say whatever we want about his knowledge or >>> opinions or whatever, but he keeps a lot of people distracted here >>> and I'm sure these people are all looking for a distraction. And his >>> distractions are not all inadequate. He's usually bring up on-topic >>> things that allows people here to exercise their own skills. If >>> these contributions are too shallow---well---I'd say that's something >>> we can say about most USENET traffic these days. Because we're very >>> low volume these days, I think shallow contributions are better than >>> nothing. I prefer the shallow chat than no chat at all. >> >> And I prefer polite chat, such as the one we are now having. Thank you. > > Yeah---rudeness in USENET is a reflection of the health state of its > participants. > >> I can only talk about my own skillset in Common Lisp, which I will prob- >> ably have to say is not that great, having used it much less in anger >> than C -- and prior to that, C++ but that's a different story -- and so >> I got myself all the Lisp books I have amassed, most or all of them al- >> ready mentioned in various topics here in comp.lang.lisp. >> >> That said, life happened, and continues to happen, so I don't know when >> I'll get to increase my skillset in Lisp. As everyone in comp.lang.c >> knows, I'm currently going through Appel's compiler book in C, and well, >> also took a detour by re-reading Loudon's /Mastering Algorithms in C/, >> which while somewhat basic in the C, is very good at giving practical >> examples of the data structures in question. >> >> I've previously mentioned a similar book in Lisp, by Domkin. I'll get >> to it one of these decades. > > I've thankfully read this one by Kyle Loudon as well. Keep your > studying going slowly, but constantly. There's no rush. Things > meaningfully evolve as fast as everybody says. There's no royal road to > knowledge and wisdom; no AI-road either. Keep it up; be careful with > your time on the USENET. > >>>> And no, I don't know why Lawrence is always pretending to be a Python >>>> influencer here in comp.lang.lisp. I hope he's getting paid for it. >>> >>> From what I can tell, Lawrence never really caught the Lisp >>> culture---it can be seen in how he writes Lisp in the occasion he >>> does it. This means his criticism aren't very serious. He loves >>> Python, which is a way of saying---``thanks, Lisp, for the things >>> you've done for me.'' >> >> I'm not sure I did either, to be honest. I just find it fascinating in >> many ways, and wish to increase my own skillset in Lisp, and of course, >> get a better immersion in the culture. > > Try to understand when, why and how people did what they did. In other > words, I think history is very important in studying. New is not always > better. > >> Personally, I think Lisp people need -- well, need is a strong word, but >> I'll go with it -- to get a little bit more behind the notion of practi- >> cality. I mean, the Steel Banks Common Lisp is fine, but many others >> aimed at beginners are exclusively geared towards facing the programmer >> him- -- or her- -- self. There is very little attention paid to the de- >> tails of creating binaries to share with friends. And by this, I mean >> the parts of the programmer facing documentation. I believe the Steel >> Banks Common Lisp manual does not mention how to create binary executa- >> bles? I believe I learned that from /Stack Overflow/ which everyone >> here in comp.lang.lisp knows is not a good place to learn how to do >> anything; not anymore. > > See SBCL's sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die. > > (sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die #P"my-executable.exe" > :toplevel #'my-package:main > :executable t > :save-runtime-options t) > > Source: > https://www.sbcl.org/manual/ And herein lies the conundrum. I believe I took a quick glance at the manual, looked at the able of contents, and even tried ctrl+f and the terms /binary/ or /binaries/, and /executable/, and found nothing. Being /technically/ in the manual does not help if one cannot easily find what one is looking for. It also doesn't help if one doesn't have expectations of finding it in the first place. And now I found myself speaking like 17th century royalty. > >> If I'm not mistaken, we also have this problem with Racket. Racket is >> aimed at students, mostly, learning to code in Scheme, or the Scheme >> dialect that is Racket, but not how to create binaries to share their >> work with their loved ones who don't code. > > That's what Racket claims. They claim it to be real-world, batteries > included and whatnot. They also create executable binaries like SBCL > does above. > >> So I believe we need more books about Common Lisp. Especially how to >> make production games in Common Lisp. I mean, the Steel Banks Common >> Lisp garbage collector cannot be worse than the old one in Unity, and >> I currently believe C.L.O.S. is eminently suitable for three >> dimensional game objects. >> >> What do you think? > > I never think about games, thankfully. I've played video-games from 11 > to 14 years old, replacing them completely with UNIX, a great > investment. I believe there is something to be learned from making a fully grown video game, yet I have never done so. My brief stint as a /professional game developer/ was done with Unity, in C#, and I believe the game never got finished. What I have done is read a few book about game develop- ment -- many of them bought during this time frame -- and am now think- ing a small game done with SDL2 or SDL3 is worth exploring simply be- cause of the manual game loop. It's not often that we get to make our own loop, when we create graphical applications. And depending on how we create server applications, we don't either. If my recollection is correct about this, Hunchentoot would be a good exam- ple. There are other /programming patterns/ that show up almost exclusively in interactive games, well worth exploring now and then. > > Economically speaking, if CL had more users, there'd be more books. I > don't have much need for Common Lisp (strictly speaking) books myself. > I'm not trying myself to read more books on the language. What I'm > doing is writing more Common Lisp and reading more of it. What > certainly helps me is for people to use it, which then indirectly asks > for more books (but for the wrong reasons: the beginner often thinks > that something new is required for him to invest his time; reading an > old book seems like a waste of time for so many of them, but that's only > because they're beginners and might be for the rest of their lives). Well, I don't only mean beginner books. I mean some of the more ad- vanced books as well, when it comes to C. Of course /Common Lisp Re- cipes/, and /The Common Lisp Condition System/ should be good examples that I'll get to read one of these decades. Here I'm thinking of Adam Tornhill's /Patterns in C/. There are even several more, some of which I've lost track of, because I believe they were only available as a PDF and I neglected to print them out. Right now I'm not inclined to cross post this to comp.lang.c, and ask if they'd be willing to fill in some of those blanks. Hm, as-is, there seems to be a /blank/ in my knowledge, when it comes to thinking of an equivalent book in Lisp. Specifically about these /patt- erns/, and how to use them. Perhaps there is no need? After all, the original patterns book in Java was all about working around deficiencies in the Java programming lang- uage, and maybe Common Lisp has few enough of those we don't care about a specific set of patterns? Or is this simply covered in /Common Lisp Recipes/ and I forgot? > >> * Here I'm making fun of the YouTubian culture of only ever talk** about >> videos, and never anything published in books. "This guy made a video >> about something, and I'm going to talk about too" is the typical intro >> duction, if I remember correctly. I don't watch much of YouTube any- >> more. >> >> ** I'm going to leave this grammatical error. > > Yeah---knowing how to use a natural language includes knowing how to > violate ``its grammar'' as well. Have a nice day, and Lisp well! -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
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| From | ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) |
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| Date | 2026-08-13 17:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <Patterns-20260813183818@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> |
| In reply to | #61442 |
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote or quoted: >Perhaps there is no need? After all, the original patterns book in Java Alexander, C., Ishikawa, S., Silverstein, M., Jacobson, M., Fiksdahl-King, I., & Angel, S. (1977). A Pattern Language: Towns, Buildings, Construction. Oxford University Press. Gamma, E., Helm, R., Johnson, R., & Vlissides, J. (1994). Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software (1st ed.). Addison-Wesley Professional. With examples in Smalltalk and C++. Gabriel, R. P. (1996). Patterns of Software: Tales from the Software Community. Oxford University Press. 1996-01 Release of Java Grand, M. (1998). Patterns in Java, Volume 1: A Catalog of Reusable Design Patterns Illustrated with UML. John Wiley & Sons.
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| From | Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> |
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| Date | 2026-08-13 20:58 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <874igxfu9i.fsf@safunu.org> |
| In reply to | #61442 |
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes: > On 13/08/2026 11:19 PM, Anton Antimo wrote: [...] >>> Personally, I think Lisp people need -- well, need is a strong word, but >>> I'll go with it -- to get a little bit more behind the notion of practi- >>> cality. I mean, the Steel Banks Common Lisp is fine, but many others >>> aimed at beginners are exclusively geared towards facing the programmer >>> him- -- or her- -- self. There is very little attention paid to the de- >>> tails of creating binaries to share with friends. And by this, I mean >>> the parts of the programmer facing documentation. I believe the Steel >>> Banks Common Lisp manual does not mention how to create binary executa- >>> bles? I believe I learned that from /Stack Overflow/ which everyone >>> here in comp.lang.lisp knows is not a good place to learn how to do >>> anything; not anymore. >> >> See SBCL's sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die. >> (sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die #P"my-executable.exe" >> :toplevel #'my-package:main >> :executable t >> :save-runtime-options t) >> Source: >> https://www.sbcl.org/manual/ > > And herein lies the conundrum. I believe I took a quick glance at the > manual, looked at the able of contents, and even tried ctrl+f and the > terms /binary/ or /binaries/, and /executable/, and found nothing. > > Being /technically/ in the manual does not help if one cannot easily > find what one is looking for. It also doesn't help if one doesn't have > expectations of finding it in the first place. Try the ``executable'' keyword; you'll find this: --8<-------------------------------------------------------->8--- Executable Delivery: The :executable argument to sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die can produce a "standalone" executable containing both an image of the current Lisp session and an SBCL runtime. --8<-------------------------------------------------------->8--- Source: https://www.sbcl.org/manual/ [...] >>> So I believe we need more books about Common Lisp. Especially how to >>> make production games in Common Lisp. I mean, the Steel Banks Common >>> Lisp garbage collector cannot be worse than the old one in Unity, and >>> I currently believe C.L.O.S. is eminently suitable for three >>> dimensional game objects. >>> >>> What do you think? >> I never think about games, thankfully. I've played video-games from >> 11 >> to 14 years old, replacing them completely with UNIX, a great >> investment. By the way, have a look at these (broken) lines above. Your Mozilla Thunderbird is not knowing how to properly handle quotes. I once hacked it around to make sure it wouldn't mess up quotes like that, but it wasn't too obvious how to do it. (It's also Thunderbird that's making sometimes give too much vertical space and sometimes too little. USENET has traditionally used fixed-fonts. With this Thunderbird culture, you'll always violate that culture.) >> Economically speaking, if CL had more users, there'd be more books. >> I don't have much need for Common Lisp (strictly speaking) books >> myself. I'm not trying myself to read more books on the language. >> What I'm doing is writing more Common Lisp and reading more of it. >> What certainly helps me is for people to use it, which then >> indirectly asks for more books (but for the wrong reasons: the >> beginner often thinks that something new is required for him to >> invest his time; reading an old book seems like a waste of time for >> so many of them, but that's only because they're beginners and might >> be for the rest of their lives). > > Well, I don't only mean beginner books. I mean some of the more ad- > vanced books as well, when it comes to C. Of course /Common Lisp Re- > cipes/, and /The Common Lisp Condition System/ should be good examples > that I'll get to read one of these decades. Here I'm thinking of Adam > Tornhill's /Patterns in C/. There are even several more, some of which > I've lost track of, because I believe they were only available as a PDF > and I neglected to print them out. > > Right now I'm not inclined to cross post this to comp.lang.c, and ask if > they'd be willing to fill in some of those blanks. > > Hm, as-is, there seems to be a /blank/ in my knowledge, when it comes to > thinking of an equivalent book in Lisp. Specifically about these /patt- > erns/, and how to use them. > > Perhaps there is no need? After all, the original patterns book in Java > was all about working around deficiencies in the Java programming lang- > uage, and maybe Common Lisp has few enough of those we don't care about > a specific set of patterns? > > Or is this simply covered in /Common Lisp Recipes/ and I forgot? I have no idea. It'd be great to have more books on Lisp, but that'd take more writers and more readers too. Such is life. Looking on the bright side, I think Lisp is one of the easiest languages to read and there's more Lisp software out there that I could read likely in my lifetime. Who knows, maybe we'd learn more by reading source-code than by reading books? (A serious question.) Maybe it's a blessing we don't have too many books to read on this language. I propose we try out this possibility. > Have a nice day, and Lisp well! Thank you! You too.
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 13:42 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <SUxfS.292910$aXr.34899@fx18.ams4> |
| In reply to | #61453 |
On 14/08/2026 7:58 AM, Anton Antimo wrote: > Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes: > >> On 13/08/2026 11:19 PM, Anton Antimo wrote: > > [...] > >>>> Personally, I think Lisp people need -- well, need is a strong word, but >>>> I'll go with it -- to get a little bit more behind the notion of practi- >>>> cality. I mean, the Steel Banks Common Lisp is fine, but many others >>>> aimed at beginners are exclusively geared towards facing the programmer >>>> him- -- or her- -- self. There is very little attention paid to the de- >>>> tails of creating binaries to share with friends. And by this, I mean >>>> the parts of the programmer facing documentation. I believe the Steel >>>> Banks Common Lisp manual does not mention how to create binary executa- >>>> bles? I believe I learned that from /Stack Overflow/ which everyone >>>> here in comp.lang.lisp knows is not a good place to learn how to do >>>> anything; not anymore. >>> >>> See SBCL's sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die. >>> (sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die #P"my-executable.exe" >>> :toplevel #'my-package:main >>> :executable t >>> :save-runtime-options t) >>> Source: >>> https://www.sbcl.org/manual/ >> >> And herein lies the conundrum. I believe I took a quick glance at the >> manual, looked at the able of contents, and even tried ctrl+f and the >> terms /binary/ or /binaries/, and /executable/, and found nothing. >> >> Being /technically/ in the manual does not help if one cannot easily >> find what one is looking for. It also doesn't help if one doesn't have >> expectations of finding it in the first place. > > Try the ``executable'' keyword; you'll find this: > > --8<-------------------------------------------------------->8--- > Executable Delivery: The :executable argument to > sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die can produce a "standalone" executable > containing both an image of the current Lisp session and an SBCL > runtime. > --8<-------------------------------------------------------->8--- > > Source: > https://www.sbcl.org/manual/ Please be patient with me. Here is a screenshot. I'm afraid the link is ridiculously long, and I don't use url shorteners anymore. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/07asmp90gza39utr55wro/SBCL-manual-execu.jpg?rlkey=jd3tcevbchchpsge37xfmjh1j&st=pk2y5hvh&dl=0 What I'm looking at here seems to be the word "execu" -- or the prefix of which -- not being found. Should I have continued to type the whole word? I thought this worked like Emacs' incremental search, and as I typed more characters, it would search longer words, until it wouldn't find what I've typed so far. Is this perhaps a matter of not using the right browser? I mean, what browser do the team players behind S.B.C.L. habitually use themselves? -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 12:46 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <115mv75$2evoe$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61457 |
On 2026-08-14, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > On 14/08/2026 7:58 AM, Anton Antimo wrote: >> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes: >> >>> On 13/08/2026 11:19 PM, Anton Antimo wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>>>> Personally, I think Lisp people need -- well, need is a strong word, but >>>>> I'll go with it -- to get a little bit more behind the notion of practi- >>>>> cality. I mean, the Steel Banks Common Lisp is fine, but many others >>>>> aimed at beginners are exclusively geared towards facing the programmer >>>>> him- -- or her- -- self. There is very little attention paid to the de- >>>>> tails of creating binaries to share with friends. And by this, I mean >>>>> the parts of the programmer facing documentation. I believe the Steel >>>>> Banks Common Lisp manual does not mention how to create binary executa- >>>>> bles? I believe I learned that from /Stack Overflow/ which everyone >>>>> here in comp.lang.lisp knows is not a good place to learn how to do >>>>> anything; not anymore. >>>> >>>> See SBCL's sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die. >>>> (sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die #P"my-executable.exe" >>>> :toplevel #'my-package:main >>>> :executable t >>>> :save-runtime-options t) >>>> Source: >>>> https://www.sbcl.org/manual/ >>> >>> And herein lies the conundrum. I believe I took a quick glance at the >>> manual, looked at the able of contents, and even tried ctrl+f and the >>> terms /binary/ or /binaries/, and /executable/, and found nothing. >>> >>> Being /technically/ in the manual does not help if one cannot easily >>> find what one is looking for. It also doesn't help if one doesn't have >>> expectations of finding it in the first place. >> >> Try the ``executable'' keyword; you'll find this: >> >> --8<-------------------------------------------------------->8--- >> Executable Delivery: The :executable argument to >> sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die can produce a "standalone" executable >> containing both an image of the current Lisp session and an SBCL >> runtime. >> --8<-------------------------------------------------------->8--- >> >> Source: >> https://www.sbcl.org/manual/ > > > Please be patient with me. Here is a screenshot. I'm afraid the link > is ridiculously long, and I don't use url shorteners anymore. > > https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/07asmp90gza39utr55wro/SBCL-manual-execu.jpg?rlkey=jd3tcevbchchpsge37xfmjh1j&st=pk2y5hvh&dl=0 (Please consider changing www. to dl. when sharing dropbox links. It seems this one needs the rlkey GET parameter, but it still works as a direct link once changed to "dl.".) > What I'm looking at here seems to be the word "execu" -- or the prefix > of which -- not being found. Should I have continued to type the whole > word? I thought this worked like Emacs' incremental search, and as I > typed more characters, it would search longer words, until it wouldn't > find what I've typed so far. You have "Whole words" enabled, uncheck that. > Is this perhaps a matter of not using the right browser? I mean, what > browser do the team players behind S.B.C.L. habitually use themselves? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> |
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| Date | 2026-08-16 15:29 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <87mrul3onj.fsf@safunu.org> |
| In reply to | #61457 |
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes: > On 14/08/2026 7:58 AM, Anton Antimo wrote: >> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes: >> >>> On 13/08/2026 11:19 PM, Anton Antimo wrote: >> [...] >> >>>>> Personally, I think Lisp people need -- well, need is a strong word, but >>>>> I'll go with it -- to get a little bit more behind the notion of practi- >>>>> cality. I mean, the Steel Banks Common Lisp is fine, but many others >>>>> aimed at beginners are exclusively geared towards facing the programmer >>>>> him- -- or her- -- self. There is very little attention paid to the de- >>>>> tails of creating binaries to share with friends. And by this, I mean >>>>> the parts of the programmer facing documentation. I believe the Steel >>>>> Banks Common Lisp manual does not mention how to create binary executa- >>>>> bles? I believe I learned that from /Stack Overflow/ which everyone >>>>> here in comp.lang.lisp knows is not a good place to learn how to do >>>>> anything; not anymore. >>>> >>>> See SBCL's sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die. >>>> (sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die #P"my-executable.exe" >>>> :toplevel #'my-package:main >>>> :executable t >>>> :save-runtime-options t) >>>> Source: >>>> https://www.sbcl.org/manual/ >>> >>> And herein lies the conundrum. I believe I took a quick glance at the >>> manual, looked at the able of contents, and even tried ctrl+f and the >>> terms /binary/ or /binaries/, and /executable/, and found nothing. >>> >>> Being /technically/ in the manual does not help if one cannot easily >>> find what one is looking for. It also doesn't help if one doesn't have >>> expectations of finding it in the first place. >> Try the ``executable'' keyword; you'll find this: >> --8<-------------------------------------------------------->8--- >> Executable Delivery: The :executable argument to >> sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die can produce a "standalone" executable >> containing both an image of the current Lisp session and an SBCL >> runtime. >> --8<-------------------------------------------------------->8--- >> Source: >> https://www.sbcl.org/manual/ > > > Please be patient with me. Here is a screenshot. I'm afraid the link > is ridiculously long, and I don't use url shorteners anymore. > > https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/07asmp90gza39utr55wro/SBCL-manual-execu.jpg?rlkey=jd3tcevbchchpsge37xfmjh1j&st=pk2y5hvh&dl=0 > > What I'm looking at here seems to be the word "execu" -- or the prefix > of which -- not being found. Should I have continued to type the whole > word? I thought this worked like Emacs' incremental search, and as I > typed more characters, it would search longer words, until it wouldn't > find what I've typed so far. > > Is this perhaps a matter of not using the right browser? I mean, what > browser do the team players behind S.B.C.L. habitually use themselves? I suggest you download the HTML, look inside with your text editor, then troubleshoot your browser later.
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-13 17:31 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <87h5kxpmo7.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61442 |
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes: > Hm, as-is, there seems to be a /blank/ in my knowledge, when it comes to > thinking of an equivalent book in Lisp. Specifically about these /patt- > erns/, and how to use them. Winston and Horn "Lisp" was a favorite way back in the day: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LISP_(book) It was originally part of the book "Artificial Intelligence" but the Lisp part split off into a separate volume, per the Wikipedia article above. The thing is, CL's design makes some sense, but only up to a point. It's not holistic like Scheme, so don't expect too much consistency. CL's unifying purpose was to maintain some level of commonality with a bunch of incompatible predecessor Lisps of varying origin. It didn't try to run earlier dialects without modification, but it tried to keep the porting effort manageable, as I understand it. Old timers here will know more about this than I do. There are some good history documents around whose names I don't remember. In my case I found CLTL1 to be pretty understandable after first gaining an understanding of Lisp by reading through the Emacs Lisp interpreter source code (written in C) and mucking around with some Emacs Lisp code. The CADR manual was also enlightening, even though I never actually used a CADR or any other Lisp machine (I guess that's a sign of a deprived childhood). See: https://tumbleweed.nu/r/lm-3/uv/chinual.html As for Scheme, I think of it more as an assembly language for a cosmic sized computer, than as something for humans program much in directly. Others believe the opposite.
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 14:04 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <heyfS.292911$aXr.134301@fx18.ams4> |
| In reply to | #61456 |
On 14/08/2026 8:31 AM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes:
>> Hm, as-is, there seems to be a /blank/ in my knowledge, when it comes to
>> thinking of an equivalent book in Lisp. Specifically about these /patt-
>> erns/, and how to use them.
>
> Winston and Horn "Lisp" was a favorite way back in the day:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LISP_(book)
>
> It was originally part of the book "Artificial Intelligence" but the
> Lisp part split off into a separate volume, per the Wikipedia article
> above.
Thank you. I've added both to my cart. Though I'm likely to just buy
them next year or something. These bookstores have a nice shelf called
/save for later/, but will sell to someone else when they run out of
stock.
>
> The thing is, CL's design makes some sense, but only up to a point.
> It's not holistic like Scheme, so don't expect too much consistency.
> CL's unifying purpose was to maintain some level of commonality with a
> bunch of incompatible predecessor Lisps of varying origin. It didn't
> try to run earlier dialects without modification, but it tried to keep
> the porting effort manageable, as I understand it. Old timers here will
> know more about this than I do. There are some good history documents
> around whose names I don't remember.
I once tried to get a hold of LeLisp and other older European Lisps, but
was unable to, a few years ago. Maybe that situation has changed.
I've since lost interest in all of these old[er] Lisp dialects, and
stick to Common Lisp in the general, and the Steel Banks' implementation
in particular these days.
>
> In my case I found CLTL1 to be pretty understandable after first gaining
> an understanding of Lisp by reading through the Emacs Lisp interpreter
> source code (written in C) and mucking around with some Emacs Lisp code.
> The CADR manual was also enlightening, even though I never actually used
> a CADR or any other Lisp machine (I guess that's a sign of a deprived
> childhood). See:
I've read through some of the XEmacs internals. It's necessary to make
loadable extensions in C. I'm not sure I gained much understanding of
how to code Lisp during that adventure.
>
> https://tumbleweed.nu/r/lm-3/uv/chinual.html
Thank you. I'm glancing at this now. It seems interesting at first
glance, and I may add this to my entertainment reading section. I also
found an interesting summary at
https://cnbbooks.github.io/zylisp-guide/part1/01-intro/origins/zetalisp.html
and please excuse the U.R.L. length. I quote.
> ZetaLisp's innovations extended beyond Flavors to include proper
> lexical closures, efficient vectors, stack groups for
> coroutine-like control structures, locatives for low-level
> memory access, rational numbers, multiple return values,
> structures, the generalized assignment mechanism setf, and
> advanced memory management through CDR-coding. The language was
> "the Lisp dialect with the most influence on the design of
> Common Lisp" according to multiple sources, with Flavors
> evolving into CLOS (Common Lisp Object System). ZetaLisp ran on
> dedicated Lisp Machine hardware with tagged architecture
> enabling parallel type checking without performance penalties,
> supporting applications from the Macsyma computer algebra system
> to sophisticated AI research.
And as I'm writing this, I don't know what this cnbbooks zylisp-guide
is.
>
> As for Scheme, I think of it more as an assembly language for a cosmic
> sized computer, than as something for humans program much in directly.
> Others believe the opposite.
Hmm, I guess that's not a bad way to describe Scheme. And follows natu-
rally from the old S.I.C.P. lectures; which I may want to re-watch in
the near future, as entertainment. There's only so much tolerance I
have for the selection at the usual streaming services.
--
Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 01:52 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <878q69ozhk.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61458 |
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes: > > ZetaLisp's innovations extended beyond Flavors to include proper I think that paragraph is a historical misstatement: Zetalisp was branched from Lisp Machine Lisp (developed on the CADR) but there were other branches too. Most of the stuff in the paragraph was present on the CADR, i.e. before the branches happened or the name Zetalisp was coined. Zetalisp eventually became the most advanced of the branches but that was later. RMS would throw a fit if he saw himself listed as a developer of Zetalisp ;). Zylisp looks partly interesting, partly meh.
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| From | tfb <tfb@work.it.out> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 10:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <115mqjc$2etbb$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61442 |
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote: > > And herein lies the conundrum. I believe I took a quick glance at the > manual, looked at the able of contents, and even tried ctrl+f and the > terms /binary/ or /binaries/, and /executable/, and found nothing. > > Being /technically/ in the manual does not help if one cannot easily > find what one is looking for. It also doesn't help if one doesn't have > expectations of finding it in the first place. Um, section 2.4.3 Generating Executables, in the manual. It's not quite in the first page on my screen, but, ad they say, RTFM. -- tfeb.org/computer/
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-15 01:19 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <Q6IfS.195105$4Ra7.89087@fx16.ams4> |
| In reply to | #61469 |
On 14/08/2026 6:27 PM, tfb wrote: > Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote: >> >> And herein lies the conundrum. I believe I took a quick glance at the >> manual, looked at the able of contents, and even tried ctrl+f and the >> terms /binary/ or /binaries/, and /executable/, and found nothing. >> >> Being /technically/ in the manual does not help if one cannot easily >> find what one is looking for. It also doesn't help if one doesn't have >> expectations of finding it in the first place. > > Um, section 2.4.3 Generating Executables, in the manual. It's not quite in > the first page on my screen, but, ad they say, RTFM. > You sir tfb, may get off your arrogant horse, remove the prick from your arse hole, stick it down your throat, then print out Message-ID: <SUxfS.292910$aXr.34899@fx18.ams4> and eat it! -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
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| From | tfb <tfb@work.it.out> |
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| Date | 2026-08-13 16:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) |
| Message-ID | <115kqi0$1pio4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61428 |
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote: > > If I'm not mistaken, we also have this problem with Racket. Racket is > aimed at students, mostly, learning to code in Scheme, or the Scheme > dialect that is Racket, but not how to create binaries to share their > work with their loved ones who don't code. > In practise the answer is 'raco exe' which makes an executable. You have to have a suitable main function &c, but it's not hard. -- tfeb.org/computer/
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 01:31 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <vbnfS.169745$ga2.42817@fx11.ams4> |
| In reply to | #61441 |
On 14/08/2026 12:14 AM, tfb wrote: > Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote: >> >> If I'm not mistaken, we also have this problem with Racket. Racket is >> aimed at students, mostly, learning to code in Scheme, or the Scheme >> dialect that is Racket, but not how to create binaries to share their >> work with their loved ones who don't code. >> > > In practise the answer is 'raco exe' which makes an executable. You have > to have a suitable main function &c, but it's not hard. > > Well, aside from technically correct answers, I was talking about the culture. In my recollection, and by now I guess that would be an old Racket,* there was no emphasis on creating binaries in the Racket intro- ductory material, nor user interface. It's more like, here's a pro- gramming language, use it! And until binaries are habitually made with Racket, and by that I mean production binaries, with code signatures for the Microsoft and fruit vendor platforms, that's not likely to change. Best wishes, and happy Racketteering! * Pun totally intended afterwards. -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 12:52 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <115mvif$2evoe$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61443 |
On 2026-08-13, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > On 14/08/2026 12:14 AM, tfb wrote: >> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> If I'm not mistaken, we also have this problem with Racket. Racket is >>> aimed at students, mostly, learning to code in Scheme, or the Scheme >>> dialect that is Racket, but not how to create binaries to share their >>> work with their loved ones who don't code. >> >> In practise the answer is 'raco exe' which makes an executable. You have >> to have a suitable main function &c, but it's not hard. > > Well, aside from technically correct answers, I was talking about the > culture. In my recollection, and by now I guess that would be an old > Racket,* there was no emphasis on creating binaries in the Racket intro- > ductory material, nor user interface. It's more like, here's a pro- > gramming language, use it! > > And until binaries are habitually made with Racket, and by that I mean > production binaries, with code signatures for the Microsoft and fruit > vendor platforms, that's not likely to change. For students, it'd perhaps be much more valuable to teach them how to disable anything that nags if the resulting binary doesn't carry a signature made with a certificate from the CA system, especially when it needs to be a more expensive certificate and/or requires ID validation. And perhaps teach them about more suitable means to sign executables, like OpenPGP, that actually is based on a web of trust and not on some centralized issuer? > Best wishes, and happy Racketteering! Running afoul of RICO, are we? :-P > * Pun totally intended afterwards. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | tfb <tfb@work.it.out> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 12:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <115n1o9$2hatn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61472 |
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > For students, it'd perhaps be much more valuable to teach them how to > disable anything that nags if the resulting binary doesn't carry a > signature made with a certificate from the CA system, especially when it > needs to be a more expensive certificate and/or requires ID validation. > On the Mac, executables built with raco exe don't need signatures at least when they're command-line tools and being used on the machine where they were created (and perhaps by the user who built them). I don't know about graphical programs but I suspect not then either. Students who are trying to ship executables rather than source code ... well, they can learn how to do that. This whole thing is just another brick in the wall of reasons people give not to use Lisp. Somehow that wall never has any bricks at all for Python. You might think people are making things up, mightn't you? -- tfeb.org/computer/
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-15 01:33 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <OjIfS.326671$KyJ1.190157@fx13.ams4> |
| In reply to | #61472 |
On 14/08/2026 7:52 PM, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-08-13, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > >> On 14/08/2026 12:14 AM, tfb wrote: >>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>> If I'm not mistaken, we also have this problem with Racket. Racket is >>>> aimed at students, mostly, learning to code in Scheme, or the Scheme >>>> dialect that is Racket, but not how to create binaries to share their >>>> work with their loved ones who don't code. >>> >>> In practise the answer is 'raco exe' which makes an executable. You have >>> to have a suitable main function &c, but it's not hard. >> >> Well, aside from technically correct answers, I was talking about the >> culture. In my recollection, and by now I guess that would be an old >> Racket,* there was no emphasis on creating binaries in the Racket intro- >> ductory material, nor user interface. It's more like, here's a pro- >> gramming language, use it! >> >> And until binaries are habitually made with Racket, and by that I mean >> production binaries, with code signatures for the Microsoft and fruit >> vendor platforms, that's not likely to change. > > For students, it'd perhaps be much more valuable to teach them how to > disable anything that nags if the resulting binary doesn't carry a > signature made with a certificate from the CA system, especially when it > needs to be a more expensive certificate and/or requires ID validation. That would certainly help me. I have repeat nags because my self made binaries get modified by CL.EXE when it decides it's a good idea to incrementally link. I think that's not related to signatures, though I don't know. But that's also not a discussion for comp.lang.lisp, since as far as I know, nobody uses CL.EXE to link Common Lisp. That said, have you ever thought to put your own self signed certificate into the system? I did that once, when testing H.T.T.P.S. validation on Windows 10 development system. In my tests, the new self signed /system certificate/ just worked. Albeit, I did not do that for code signing. I believe that would be an excellent second semester exercise, for webservers built on top of Common Lisp. My preference is Hunchentoot, though I don't recall ever using it directly with encryption. I usually leave that to a front-end Apache, and Apache also runs on Windows. There used to a set of binaries done by Microsoft, I believe, and I'm not sure who is now making Apache binaries for the eleven Windows, and I'm not looking it up since it's outside the scope of comp.lang.lisp. So, for people with more experience in eleven Windows than I have, how would one create a self signed certificate, start a webserver with Hunchentoot -- or another Common Lisp framework -- and encrypt the conn- ection with that very same self signed certificate, and have it work in regular browsers because it's also part of the system's roots of trust? I mean, I did that last step on my own, I'm sure other people can figure that out too. /Never mind I forgot how to do it/. > > And perhaps teach them about more suitable means to sign executables, > like OpenPGP, that actually is based on a web of trust and not on some > centralized issuer? There are also social issues in the /web of trust/, but we don't need to discuss all of that here in comp.lang.lisp. > >> Best wishes, and happy Racketteering! > > Running afoul of RICO, are we? :-P No, I'm not so "lucky" to get payments for other people's criminal acti- vities. Do you? -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
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| From | George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-15 19:44 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) |
| Message-ID | <kgr18l50lnadrv0kjfqjpglv3riqberqfg@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #61428 |
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 11:20:20 +0800, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote: >Personally, I think Lisp people need -- well, need is a strong word, but >I'll go with it -- to get a little bit more behind the notion of practi- >cality. I mean, the Steel Banks Common Lisp is fine, but many others >aimed at beginners are exclusively geared towards facing the programmer >him- -- or her- -- self. There is very little attention paid to the de- >tails of creating binaries to share with friends. And by this, I mean >the parts of the programmer facing documentation. I believe the Steel >Banks Common Lisp manual does not mention how to create binary executa- >bles? I believe I learned that from /Stack Overflow/ which everyone >here in comp.lang.lisp knows is not a good place to learn how to do >anything; not anymore. > >Games with Gabe wrote* about that extensively in his YouTube video, at > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbDAmvUwo5c > >and I heartily agree. > >If I'm not mistaken, we also have this problem with Racket. Racket is >aimed at students, mostly, learning to code in Scheme, or the Scheme >dialect that is Racket, but not how to create binaries to share their >work with their loved ones who don't code. The biggest issue I see with learning Racket is the sheer weight of its documentation. The reference is pushing ~1,800 pages and the user guide is twice that. It all could use a better [relational] index. The docs /are/ indexed, but if you don't know what keyword(s) to search for, it can be hard to find relevant information. Racket's preferred terminology is a mashup that stems from many sources. Racket isn't really aimed at students - its predescessor PLT Scheme /was/ aimed at teaching, but Racket is meant for general development. Racket is not a Scheme, but it is closely related. The main distribution bundle includes a large number of libraries and development tools, and additionally there are hundreds of user contributed packages. Racket /does/ remain popular for teaching because of the (relative) ease of creating DSLs having arbitrary [ie. non-sexpr] syntax that will compile to and interoperate with Racket. It is fairly easy to mix and match modules written using different DSLs. There are a number of subset "teaching languages", R5RS and R6RS Scheme implementations, and others, all implemented as DSLs. >So I believe we need more books about Common Lisp. Especially how to >make production games in Common Lisp. I mean, the Steel Banks Common >Lisp garbage collector cannot be worse than the old one in Unity, and >I currently believe C.L.O.S. is eminently suitable for three dimensional >game objects. YMMV. I think the LAST thing we need is more games. Too many gamers need to pull their heads out of the game and go get a life.
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| From | Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> |
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| Date | 2026-08-16 15:06 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: Making production games in Common Lisp |
| Message-ID | <87a4qm3pov.fsf@safunu.org> |
| In reply to | #61489 |
George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> writes: [...] > YMMV. I think the LAST thing we need is more games. Too many gamers > need to pull their heads out of the game and go get a life. Lol. A man after my own heart.
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 18:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <871pcaspsx.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61300 |
Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> writes: > Let me try to contribute with > Let Over Lambda > Doug Hoyte, 2008 > ISBN 978-1-4357-1275-1 For something easier (beginner friendly) I liked Land of Lisp, landoflisp.com. It even has a Lispy music video on its home page, plugging the book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM1Zb3xmvMc
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