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| Started by | Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> |
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| First post | 2026-02-20 22:53 +0100 |
| Last post | 2026-08-14 01:36 +0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 628 — 38 participants |
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Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-20 22:53 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2026-02-20 22:00 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-21 12:25 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-02-21 10:24 -0500
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-21 21:30 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Mario Rosell <mario@mariorosell.es> - 2026-02-22 01:08 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-22 04:59 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-02-22 10:59 +0530
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-22 21:48 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:43 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 20:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 00:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:28 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:32 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:27 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 17:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:16 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:53 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Axel Reichert <mail@axel-reichert.de> - 2026-06-09 12:07 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:14 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 00:01 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-17 05:53 +0000
[OT] Disappearing documentation (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 09:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Disappearing documentation steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:05 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:01 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 17:22 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:59 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 00:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:43 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:45 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anthk GM <anthk@disroot.org> - 2026-08-15 22:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-15 23:38 +0000
Buy the official standard from A.N.S.I. (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-16 11:25 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 12:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 00:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-09 01:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:50 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:40 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:26 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:10 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 21:37 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Joerg Mertens <joerg-mertens@t-online.de> - 2026-06-17 12:04 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-17 11:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 13:57 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 13:32 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-18 14:21 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-19 08:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-19 04:27 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 21:24 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:00 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 07:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-18 12:53 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-18 21:28 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-19 15:08 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-19 22:32 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:56 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-21 14:57 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-22 09:11 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-24 22:14 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-25 11:20 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:21 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-29 19:00 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:34 +0000
Python blanks (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-02 08:39 +0100
Re: Python blanks ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-02 09:24 +0000
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 21:10 +0000
Re: Python blanks Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:34 +0100
Re: Python blanks George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-03 02:10 -0400
Re: Python blanks Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:21 +0100
Re: Python blanks Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 01:47 -0700
Re: Python blanks Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 17:42 -0400
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 04:15 +0000
Re: Python blanks yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2026-07-03 12:51 +0042
Re: Python blanks Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 11:34 -0700
Re: Python blanks Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2026-07-04 04:03 +0000
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 04:18 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 11:34 +0000
Re: Python blanks ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-09 13:15 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 13:24 +0000
Re: Python blanks antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-07-09 14:01 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 14:39 +0000
Re: Python blanks antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-07-09 21:03 +0000
Re: Python blanks tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 21:23 +0000
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 23:09 +0000
Re: Python blanks steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 23:05 -0400
Re: Python blanks George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-06 09:57 -0400
Re: Python blanks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 23:08 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-02 13:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 05:45 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 10:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 18:43 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:28 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 17:22 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:24 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-04 21:48 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 23:56 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-20 13:43 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-20 22:28 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-22 09:16 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:38 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-26 00:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 02:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:06 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 05:27 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:24 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 05:57 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-11 21:07 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 13:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 00:13 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 07:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:57 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 10:10 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:56 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:03 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 07:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 20:56 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-13 00:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 07:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 21:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:09 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 10:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:54 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-06-17 00:07 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 08:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:48 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:28 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 23:32 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-09 09:36 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-10 08:43 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:22 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-11 08:57 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-12 00:16 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 21:42 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 01:15 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-15 05:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 11:19 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:18 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-16 03:27 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 01:25 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:13 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 13:57 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:11 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-18 02:30 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:21 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:32 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:24 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 09:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:26 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-02 18:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:04 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-03 02:16 -0400
[OT] Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:29 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-03 10:18 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:51 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-04 09:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 21:44 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 05:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 08:43 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-06 05:13 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:03 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 14:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 08:42 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-05 11:02 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-06 01:10 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-06 05:21 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-07 11:52 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-07-08 01:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-08 03:04 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-07 19:30 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-07 19:34 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 22:03 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 05:44 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:21 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:22 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 09:15 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 16:04 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 12:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-13 14:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-18 14:15 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 10:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:58 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 23:53 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-17 05:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-17 01:43 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:07 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:58 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:52 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:04 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 06:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:30 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 00:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:46 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-15 06:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-15 12:25 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 07:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 17:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-12 00:16 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-13 00:11 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:37 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-13 21:25 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 05:37 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 01:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-15 05:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 11:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-16 03:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 04:59 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:10 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:42 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 06:01 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 15:53 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 13:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 20:31 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:04 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 17:44 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 08:36 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 01:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-14 10:36 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-14 23:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-14 18:04 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 12:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 02:56 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-27 20:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:37 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 16:55 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:41 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:44 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 07:33 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:30 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:08 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:53 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:22 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 22:00 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-05 22:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-08 22:05 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:42 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:48 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 21:18 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 11:19 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-11 10:00 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 18:31 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 19:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 20:56 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 20:21 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 22:44 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 22:50 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 16:28 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-13 05:03 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-14 07:14 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-14 06:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:33 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 11:42 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-13 15:39 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 16:52 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 05:04 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:16 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-14 00:11 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-13 17:16 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 10:27 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-13 20:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:04 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-13 23:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-14 09:27 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-11 23:35 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 18:35 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 21:14 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-11 21:01 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:20 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 09:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 01:19 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 16:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-11 23:30 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-08-12 16:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-11 20:39 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-12 23:23 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-08-10 15:05 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-08 22:00 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-08 14:14 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-08 14:45 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 02:18 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:47 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-11 11:38 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-13 18:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-15 21:12 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:20 -0300
Names for GenAI (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:30 +0100
Re: Names for GenAI ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-14 12:49 +0000
Re: Names for GenAI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 13:56 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-29 16:16 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-29 13:46 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-30 17:15 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:07 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:26 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-11 16:06 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-11 15:03 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 12:12 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-13 15:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-13 20:37 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:18 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-29 22:06 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:15 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-30 21:05 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-31 08:01 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-04 22:08 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-05 11:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-05 23:46 +0530
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 19:41 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-08-10 14:44 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-07-09 12:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:21 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:17 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-07-31 12:21 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-01 01:48 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-05 13:13 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 21:48 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-08-06 09:05 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 11:33 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-06 15:49 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-06 20:23 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-08-07 09:36 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-07 11:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-08-08 19:02 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:59 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
Reader macros (was: Resources to learn common lisp?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-08-09 11:51 -0400
Re: Reader macros Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 00:48 -0700
Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 05:33 +0800
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:11 -0700
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-08-10 14:57 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 13:10 -0700
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-10 17:41 -0300
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 23:53 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-08-11 14:29 +0000
kqueues and port_create() (was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:51 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-11 20:59 -0700
Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 13:07 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-08-12 03:23 -0400
Re: kqueues and port_create() Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:50 +0000
Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:33 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-12 02:22 -0700
Re: kqueues and port_create() Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-08-12 20:55 -0400
Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:37 +0800
Re: kqueues and port_create() "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-12 12:59 -0700
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:26 +0100
D.N.S. in Common Lisp (was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:59 +0800
Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-12 09:01 -0300
Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:20 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-12 20:46 -0700
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 14:28 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp bixbox <noreply@example.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:46 +0200
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 12:19 -0300
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:24 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-13 17:39 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 20:58 -0300
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:42 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:46 +0100
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 15:29 -0300
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-13 17:31 -0700
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 14:04 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:52 -0700
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 10:27 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-15 01:19 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-13 16:14 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 01:31 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:52 +0100
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-14 12:30 +0000
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-15 01:33 +0800
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp (was: Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-15 19:44 -0400
Re: Making production games in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 15:06 -0300
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-06 18:05 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 05:26 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-08-08 18:37 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-09 08:52 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-09 11:50 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 23:01 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 19:09 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:23 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:36 +0000
What do you need from S.B.C.L? (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-10 05:32 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 19:02 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-10 00:56 +0100
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 15:30 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-12 16:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-12 17:07 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-12 17:20 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-14 14:28 +0800
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 00:54 -0700
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 23:55 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 21:25 -0400
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:26 -0400
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:53 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 16:26 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:50 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-01 05:24 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:47 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 02:54 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 07:31 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:46 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 00:07 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 01:49 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-07-06 05:23 -0400
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-09 12:04 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:48 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 00:49 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:31 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 08:08 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 08:57 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 10:03 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 10:44 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 11:05 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:42 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 11:09 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:45 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:43 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:41 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 15:55 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:46 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:47 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:39 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-30 13:47 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-01 10:26 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:38 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-01 18:47 -0700
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-07-04 09:40 -0400
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:34 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 02:58 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-15 09:51 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-16 00:23 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 03:02 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:18 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 04:06 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:58 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:29 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-28 16:41 -0700
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 09:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-29 18:41 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:52 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-17 15:02 -0400
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-18 12:44 -0400
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-06-29 10:09 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 23:04 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-19 07:01 +0000
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| From | tfb <tfb@work.it.out> |
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| Date | 2026-07-09 12:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <112o4a9$cpek$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61166 |
Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > What on earth makes you spout nonsense like this? It's obvious he's a troll at this point. But he's also the kind of troll we've seen before on CLL: the circular troll. At some point I and others explained to him how copying GCs work. A week or so later he started claiming that GCs inherently trawl through dead objects. Someone explained that this is false. In a week he'll claim that GCs trawl through dead objects. There are other cycles you can see if you look at this exchange: he claims x, someone refutes the claim ... he claims x, someone refutes the claim ... He either doesn't learn, or forgets in a week or so. Past experience says that these people *never* give up: they will cycle around their mental loops for ever, in a kind of sad DoS attack on everyone else. The *only* thing to do is to ignore him: he will not, or can not, learn, and he will go on for ever if you let him. If you respond you end up trapped in his cycles as well. I don't want to think what the mental state of someone doing this must be like, but it can't be good. The terror is that, like the previous CLL troll, he will become tail-recursive: responding endlessly to his own arguments long after everyone else has left, keeping at it for years. If that happens then CLL will die, again. Let's hope it doesn't. But please everyone: stop responding. Let him 'win', because he can never admit he is wrong and he will endlessly recycle the same refuted claims. I am as guilty -- more guilty -- as anyone of responding to him, but it needs to stop. -- tfeb.org/computer/
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| From | George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-11 14:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5s355ll7ra1tbrqmtfat4u31d7vevnpikk@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #61201 |
On Thu, 9 Jul 2026 12:31:05 -0000 (UTC), tfb <tfb@work.it.out> wrote: >Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> >> What on earth makes you spout nonsense like this? > >It's obvious he's a troll at this point. But he's also the kind of troll >we've seen before on CLL: the circular troll. > > : > >Past experience says that these people *never* give up: they will cycle >around their mental loops for ever, in a kind of sad DoS attack on everyone >else. > > : > >The terror is that, like the previous CLL troll, he will become >tail-recursive: responding endlessly to his own arguments long after >everyone else has left, keeping at it for years. If that happens then CLL >will die, again. Let's hope it doesn't. > >But please everyone: stop responding. Let him 'win', because he can never >admit he is wrong and he will endlessly recycle the same refuted claims. > >I am as guilty -- more guilty -- as anyone of responding to him, but it >needs to stop. Even worse ... now he's attempting to start the same argument in comp.arch. Though not a regular topic, GC does get discussed there occasionally [mostly from the hardware effects viewpoint].
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 08:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <112d1su$tadf$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61163 |
On 2026-07-05, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 09:23:44 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> The usual main weaknesses of refcounting is low-speed and difficulty >> dealing with cycles. > > See, there you go, repeating the same thing again. It is garbage > collection that is more likely to suffer from performance issues than > reference-counting. And can you provide solid numbers of that being the case? That, to achieve the same result, reference-counting performs better time- and space-wise? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 11:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jwvse5xsctz.fsf-monnier+comp.lang.lisp@gnu.org> |
| In reply to | #61163 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro [2026-07-05 01:46:21] wrote: > On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 09:23:44 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> The usual main weaknesses of refcounting is low-speed and difficulty >> dealing with cycles. > See, there you go, repeating the same thing again. It is garbage > collection that is more likely to suffer from performance issues than > reference-counting. So you say. I don't have my own numbers to back my claim, and AFAIK neither do you. I'm only stating a general consensus among practitioners. For all I know, maybe you're right (e.g. because hardware performance tradeoffs have changed), but I think it'll take hard data to convince us. === Stefan
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-06 01:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <112eva6$1iqt5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61175 |
On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 11:02:49 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Lawrence D’Oliveiro [2026-07-05 01:46:21] wrote: >> >> It is garbage collection that is more likely to suffer from >> performance issues than reference-counting. > > So you say. I don't have my own numbers to back my claim, and AFAIK > neither do you. I'm only stating a general consensus among > practitioners. Do your “practitioners” include OS kernel developers? I also mentioned alternative purely-garbage-collected Python implementations, that never seemed able to offer any significant benefits (performance or otherwise) over regular CPython.
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| From | George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-06 05:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ofsm4lpitsqquc7mtumg6fburuu0vf94ur@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #61176 |
On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 01:10:30 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 11:02:49 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> Lawrence D’Oliveiro [2026-07-05 01:46:21] wrote: >>> >>> It is garbage collection that is more likely to suffer from >>> performance issues than reference-counting. >> >> So you say. I don't have my own numbers to back my claim, and AFAIK >> neither do you. I'm only stating a general consensus among >> practitioners. > >Do your “practitioners” include OS kernel developers? > >I also mentioned alternative purely-garbage-collected Python >implementations, that never seemed able to offer any significant >benefits (performance or otherwise) over regular CPython. Now I'm tired of this. You want OSes that used GC? I can think of these off the top of my head: Genera Medley Mezzano Spin Quicksilver
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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> |
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| Date | 2026-07-07 11:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jwvik6qreff.fsf-monnier+comp.lang.lisp@gnu.org> |
| In reply to | #61176 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro [2026-07-06 01:10:30] wrote: > On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 11:02:49 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Lawrence D’Oliveiro [2026-07-05 01:46:21] wrote: >>> It is garbage collection that is more likely to suffer from >>> performance issues than reference-counting. >> So you say. I don't have my own numbers to back my claim, and AFAIK >> neither do you. I'm only stating a general consensus among >> practitioners. > Do your “practitioners” include OS kernel developers? No, "practitioners" of the art of implementing memory management. > I also mentioned alternative purely-garbage-collected Python > implementations, that never seemed able to offer any significant > benefits (performance or otherwise) over regular CPython. If you think it has anything to do with their memory management, I can't help you, I'm afraid. === Stefan
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| From | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
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| Date | 2026-07-08 01:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <112ka5i$56r$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #61183 |
In article <jwvik6qreff.fsf-monnier+comp.lang.lisp@gnu.org>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: >Lawrence D’Oliveiro [2026-07-06 01:10:30] wrote: >> On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 11:02:49 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro [2026-07-05 01:46:21] wrote: >>>> It is garbage collection that is more likely to suffer from >>>> performance issues than reference-counting. >>> So you say. I don't have my own numbers to back my claim, and AFAIK >>> neither do you. I'm only stating a general consensus among >>> practitioners. >> Do your “practitioners” include OS kernel developers? > >No, "practitioners" of the art of implementing memory management. I am an "OS kernel developer". As usual, Lawrence is full of it. He thinks he is being oh-so clever by pointing out that many operating systems use reference counts to keep track of objects in use; however, there are two things he conveniently omits from his sophomoric attempt at the socratic method. First, many things that have references attached to them in the OS domain are long-lived objects that exist outside of memory; for instance, files (or the things that represent files) on a storage device, etc. Second, to the extent that reference counting is often used for objects inside of an OS kernel in memory, it's often because the OS is written in a language like C, where the challenge of doing something more elaborate (like mark-and-sweep garbage collection) is too challenging to be worth it. It is often a source of pain in that context, though, and it's not super fast: consider what it takes to increment (or decrement) a reference count in _most_ implementations: at a minimum, it's an atomic RMW cycle; at worst, it's taking a lock, modifying a variable, a memory barrier, and then releasing said via a store. Third, Lawrence's lack of imagination and experience is showing. Of course there exist systems that _have_ been implemented in garbage collected languages; Lisp has a long history here. More recently, the Biscuit system done at MIT was implemented in Go and made heavy use of the garbage collector. Finally, of course OS developers have to implement memory management of various kinds; ironically, so many of the methods used in modern systems (RCU, QSBR, EBR, etc) are all like just shy of proper garbage collection; again, often the language is to blame here. >> I also mentioned alternative purely-garbage-collected Python >> implementations, that never seemed able to offer any significant >> benefits (performance or otherwise) over regular CPython. > >If you think it has anything to do with their memory management, I can't >help you, I'm afraid. No one can. - Dan C.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-08 03:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <112ken8$39toh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61183 |
On Tue, 07 Jul 2026 11:52:16 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Lawrence D’Oliveiro [2026-07-06 01:10:30] wrote: >> >> On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 11:02:49 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> >>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro [2026-07-05 01:46:21] wrote: >>>> >>>> It is garbage collection that is more likely to suffer from >>>> performance issues than reference-counting. >>> >>> So you say. I don't have my own numbers to back my claim, and >>> AFAIK neither do you. I'm only stating a general consensus among >>> practitioners. >> >> Do your “practitioners” include OS kernel developers? > > No, "practitioners" of the art of implementing memory management. You don’t think that’s a key part of OS kernel development? Linux, in particular uses reference-counting heavily to keep track of in-kernel objects. And it’s well-known as one of the highest-performance OSes out there. >> I also mentioned alternative purely-garbage-collected Python >> implementations, that never seemed able to offer any significant >> benefits (performance or otherwise) over regular CPython. > > If you think it has anything to do with their memory management, I > can't help you, I'm afraid. I wonder what else you think it might be to do with, hmmm?
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-07 19:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <875x2qw6v3.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61175 |
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > So you say. I don't have my own numbers to back my claim, and AFAIK > neither do you. Here's a blog post about a recent (CPython 3.14 and later) optimization to CPython refcounting: https://rushter.com/blog/python-refcount/ Unfortunately it doesn't give profiler output on the actual cpu usage of refcounting in CPython, though it mentions: For hot loops, this can lead to significant overhead due to the frequent incrementing and decrementing of reference counts. The counter must be updated whenever an object is referenced or dereferenced, which hurts performance and trashes CPU caches... So, when you read a variable in Python, you actually -write- to the memory as well. The optimizations amount to letting the bytecode compiler bypass some refcount optimizations when it knows it's safe to do so. And we do see some observable speedups in recent Python benchmarks, though idk how much of it comes from that optimization. What we do know is that Python's interpreter is pretty slow. Let's say that refcounting is using 5% of its CPU cycles. Nothing wrong with wanting to speed that to 0% but I wouldn't consider 5% to be a hot spot. If my Lisp application spends 5% of its time in GC, then I'm satisfied with the GC performance and look mostly for other possible speedups. Now here's the thing. Let's say we can make CPython (not counting memory management) 10x faster, so it's competitive with SBCL, but the refcounting overhead stays the same. So an "old" CPython app might take 100 CPU seconds computing plus about 5.26 seconds (5% of the total) diddling refcounts. The "new" version spends 10 seconds computing and still 5.26 seconds on refcounts, thus 34.5%. Not good. I usually don't see GC use anywhere near 34.5% in typical operation of Lisp system. I'd like to see actual data instead of made-up numbers in the above, but you can see the shape of things.
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-07 19:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <871pdew6p0.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61185 |
Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> writes: > I'd like to see actual data instead of made-up numbers in the above, > but you can see the shape of things. Here's some allocator data from a different post on the same blog: https://rushter.com/blog/python-object-allocation-statistics/ Some approaches to Lisp also do tons of allocations (generate lots of garbage) but that's usually based on design decisions involving ephmeral GC's that quickly dispose of temporary objects.
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-03 22:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87tsqfwdl7.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61141 |
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > Tracing GCs seem to be popular among language implementors, even though > they're non-trivial to implement (and a major PITA to debug), I've debugged refcounting errors in Python extensions and other systems too, and that's not fun either. > so they do seem to provide good value "overall". Tho maybe it's just > implementors reproducing blindly what previous implementors did. I think developers of more serious implementations tend to know what they're doing. Certainly, GC's in languages that use them tend to have adequate performance, if only because the language idioms and runtimes evolve along with the implementations' needs. Python by contrast had the GIL for decades because putting mutexes around the refcounts was seen to slow applications down too much, even with the rest of the interpreter being so slow. There's now a workaround for Python, but I don't know how much it affects the API. It might be that old extension modules need to be updated before they can run without the GIL. I haven't looked into it. This is kind of sad: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48503009 I still use Python but I have some sympathy with these: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48525443 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48525769 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48548040 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48525706
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-04 05:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <112a6jo$3tts5$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61151 |
On Fri, 03 Jul 2026 22:03:48 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > I've debugged refcounting errors in Python extensions and other > systems too, and that's not fun either. There is a way to write the code to make this a bit easier <https://gitlab.com/ldo/a_structured_discipline_of_programming/>. Hint: avoid gotos.
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-04 03:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87pl13vywe.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #61152 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > There is a way to write the code to make this a bit easier > <https://gitlab.com/ldo/a_structured_discipline_of_programming/>. The Python API docs are reasonably clear about how to balance references. In my case I noticed a memory leak in a 3rd party module that I had used in an application, and then had to track down the error, which was a pain. I also used refcounting in the GNU Awk (Gawk) interpreter. I don't remember having a particularly bad time debugging it, but it's hazy by now. I would say I chose refcounting because it was conceptually simple and I probably didn't know how to write a GC at the time. That interpreter was also much simpler than CPython and its refcounting didn't face as many issues. Today though, if trying to implement a program like that in C, I'd probably just use the Boehm GC, which didn't exist back then. I do find the CPython API to be unpleasant, compared to the FFI's of other languages that don't make you manage refcounts.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-04 23:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <112c4j1$k25o$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61154 |
On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 03:21:05 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > I do find the CPython API to be unpleasant, compared to the FFI's of > other languages that don't make you manage refcounts. If you’re used to working in a language like C where you have to remember to dispose of things anyway, doing a Python extension in C isn’t really a very different experience.
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| From | tfb <tfb@work.it.out> |
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| Date | 2026-07-09 09:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <112noqq$98jk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61103 |
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 09:47:23 -0000 (UTC), tfb wrote: > > > But if the cost is a peak use of several times the actual total size > of the live objects at any one time, then that shows why > reference-counting can be a worthwhile option, doesn’t it? > Nobody is claiming reference-counting is not useful in very memory-constrained systems. That is, for instance, one of the reasons Interlisp-D used it: Wikipedia thinks a Dandelion could have 1.5MB: I think the could have 3.something (we had Dandytigers though, but I think the difference was just hardware floating-point), and the Daybreak could have 3.7MB. These systems supported a fully-fledged graphical environment whose image sizes were much larger than the physical memory of the machine. However the memory overhead for a generational copying GC doesn't need to be more than the size of the largest generation. -- tfeb.org/computer/
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| From | George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-11 16:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <hu455lt0vrnlg8l18du9j2ecgm6q1ppo86@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #61192 |
On Thu, 9 Jul 2026 09:15:06 -0000 (UTC), tfb <tfb@work.it.out> wrote: >Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 09:47:23 -0000 (UTC), tfb wrote: >> > >> >> But if the cost is a peak use of several times the actual total size >> of the live objects at any one time, then that shows why >> reference-counting can be a worthwhile option, doesn’t it? >> > >Nobody is claiming reference-counting is not useful in very >memory-constrained systems. That is, for instance, one of the reasons >Interlisp-D used it: Wikipedia thinks a Dandelion could have 1.5MB: I think >the could have 3.something (we had Dandytigers though, but I think the >difference was just hardware floating-point), and the Daybreak could have >3.7MB. These systems supported a fully-fledged graphical environment whose >image sizes were much larger than the physical memory of the machine. > >However the memory overhead for a generational copying GC doesn't need to >be more than the size of the largest generation. Not exactly. The largest generation typically is the 'long-lived' objects, and usually it has zero additional memory overhead because it is handled by compaction rather than by copying. [Yes, compaction is achieved by copying, but the two approaches are considered different by the literature.] Allocations made in Lisp family and functional languages often have 80+% mortality in their birthing generation, and 90+% mortality within 2 collections. OTOH, the same studies have shown that 80% /retention/ may be expected for objects which survive past 2 collections [but see above about compacting long-lived objects]. So the birthing space often can be sized expecting, e.g., 250KB or less to survive from 1MB of allocation, and there are copier implementations that share a single space hi/lo rather than using 2 separate spaces. Obviously there must be a fallback to handle situations where the 'to' space is not big enough. Generally, if the 'to' space is exhausted, all its objects are promoted en-mass into the next generation and then the interrupted collection continues. You just hope that doesn't happen very often. There is a copier implementation using N+1 spaces all the same size. One space is selected as the birthing space, and when it fills, a 'to' space is selected (typically round-robin) from among the other spaces. If the currently selected 'to' space becomes filled, collection spills into another space, and the filled space itself is queued for collection. This is not 'generational' in the classic sense because objects of similar ages may be spread through the address space. But in fact it works quite well, and it doesn't require using different approaches to handle objects of different ages.
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| From | tfb <tfb@work.it.out> |
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| Date | 2026-07-13 12:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1132kmn$3ir0q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61221 |
George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jul 2026 09:15:06 -0000 (UTC), tfb <tfb@work.it.out> wrote: >> >> However the memory overhead for a generational copying GC doesn't need to >> be more than the size of the largest generation. > > Not exactly. > > The largest generation typically is the 'long-lived' objects, and > usually it has zero additional memory overhead because it is handled > by compaction rather than by copying. > [Yes, compaction is achieved by copying, but the two approaches are > considered different by the literature.] > Yes, my point really was that it will not be more: the very worst case I can think of is a collector which needs to allocate space equal to the size of the largest (which as you say is usually the long-lived-object) generation to copy it. In practice you can do better almost always. -- tfeb.org/computer/
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| From | George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-13 14:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <gaca5ldtv4ji4c077h5iusnumh1hbsbkda@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #61224 |
On Mon, 13 Jul 2026 12:12:07 -0000 (UTC), tfb <tfb@work.it.out> wrote: >George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> wrote: >> On Thu, 9 Jul 2026 09:15:06 -0000 (UTC), tfb <tfb@work.it.out> wrote: > >>> >>> However the memory overhead for a generational copying GC doesn't need to >>> be more than the size of the largest generation. >> >> Not exactly. >> >> The largest generation typically is the 'long-lived' objects, and >> usually it has zero additional memory overhead because it is handled >> by compaction rather than by copying. >> [Yes, compaction is achieved by copying, but the two approaches are >> considered different by the literature.] >> > >Yes, my point really was that it will not be more: the very worst case I >can think of is a collector which needs to allocate space equal to the size >of the largest (which as you say is usually the long-lived-object) >generation to copy it. In practice you can do better almost always. Apologies ... I was reacting the word "overhead", which generally is taken to mean "extra" needed. In fact, the long-lived object space / last generation typically is where overly "large" [for some definition] allocations are made. An example might be image buffers. [I used to do image processing: at various times I did HRT industrial QA/QC, and medical imaging processing CT and MRI, so this is one I know well. 8-)] I can't imagine what you'd ever allocate that would be the size of the whole LL space: e.g., a file normally would be copied in reasonably sized chunks, and you'd reuse the buffer(s) rather than dispose of them.
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| From | antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 14:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1110uhe$3jmcm$3@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #60958 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 03:27:03 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>
>> And in case you missed it: limited percentage of time spent in sbcl
>> GC is not due to slowness of other code. In fact the opposite is
>> true: since other code is fast pressure on garbage collector is
>> bigger.
>
> Which reminds me: CPU time consumed by the garbage collector has to
> count towards program execution CPU time, too.
Yes, it counts.
>> That "higher-level data structures" is part of complication. I did
>> not look at Python internal data structures, but I looked at Perl
>> data structures, and when I looked at them they were extremaly
>> wasteful. 'sbcl' data structures are not super-efficient, but not
>> bad.
>
> Look at toolkits like NumPy, commonly used to do heavy-duty
> computations on large amounts of data (e.g. millions of data points)
> from Python.
>
> Yes, the bulk of it is written in compiled languages (C? Fortran?) for
> speed. But remember, it is accepting the input data as Python objects,
> and returning results as Python objects.
>
> So you see, the performance bottleneck does not lie in Python’s memory
> management system.
If you do heavy computations with largish data objects, then
memory management is usually not a problem, regardless of language.
And if code that you need is already written in say C and wrapped in
Python, then Python has obvious advantage. The point is that
sometimes you need to write code including low level parts.
In many situations that leads to a lot of smallish pieces of
data that need to be handled efficiently. Many folks in such
case say "use bigger computer", but it is nice to have a language
which is significantly higher level than C but gives comparable
performance. Lisp is not exactly there, but not far: rather
typical figure for sbcl is half of speed of comparable C. It is
worse when dealing with multidimensional arrays or if C compiler
manages to usefuly autovectorize the code. OTOH memory access
time may effectively decrease differences.
--
Waldek Hebisch
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