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| Started by | Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2012-11-19 13:00 -0800 |
| Last post | 2012-12-23 19:13 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 226 — 28 participants |
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Maintainer of the FAQ Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 13:00 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 13:34 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2012-11-20 01:25 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-11-20 13:39 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-11-20 11:24 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-21 19:19 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-22 14:09 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-20 19:50 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-11-20 19:56 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-11-21 11:24 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-22 23:34 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-11-23 11:07 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-24 18:30 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ jim.ley@gmail.com - 2012-11-22 03:06 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-11-22 07:15 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> - 2012-11-22 08:48 -0700
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-23 20:00 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-24 10:36 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-25 19:16 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-11-26 10:18 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-11-26 12:50 +0200
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-11-30 14:23 -0500
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-01 09:24 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-12-01 08:45 -0500
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-01 16:17 +0200
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-12 19:30 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-01 18:50 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-02 19:25 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-02 21:31 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-12-05 03:48 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-05 12:55 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-05 14:52 +0200
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-06 06:16 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-12-05 16:56 -0500
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-06 00:20 +0200
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-05 14:47 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-06 07:11 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 08:37 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 17:50 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 08:57 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 18:32 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 10:34 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-07 11:05 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-07 07:21 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-11 09:01 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-12 19:37 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-12-07 11:24 -0500
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-11 09:00 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-07 20:54 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-08 03:42 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 02:53 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-09 16:43 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-07 11:16 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-08 18:45 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-06 10:40 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-06 15:16 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 08:48 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-06 18:31 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-06 23:06 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 16:24 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-08 18:06 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 01:29 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-05 22:24 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-05 23:36 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 00:35 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-07 10:45 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 16:01 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-07 21:00 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-08 10:17 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 01:12 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 23:22 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 04:46 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-08 15:56 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-08 09:00 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 17:54 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 20:53 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 11:02 +0100
Functions in JavaScript vs. mathematics & the name "JavaScript" "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-08 23:31 +0200
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Mike Duffy <Use_guestbook_page@website.in.sig> - 2012-12-09 02:02 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-08 23:12 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-09 16:44 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2012-12-10 01:30 -0500
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-08 16:04 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-08 08:37 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 21:34 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 21:49 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-09 11:05 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-06 03:24 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 16:09 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-06 15:23 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 17:44 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-07 15:03 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 09:05 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-06 18:59 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-06 19:24 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 19:26 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 14:11 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-07 03:07 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 18:36 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-07 04:11 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 20:26 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-07 20:40 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-07 01:58 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-07 14:32 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-07 07:22 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 11:19 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-07 21:11 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-07 16:19 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-08 18:33 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-08 22:14 -0800
FAQ source format (was: Maintainer of the FAQ) Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 13:56 +0100
Re: FAQ source format Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-09 08:09 -0800
Re: FAQ source format Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 19:12 -0800
Re: FAQ source format Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-10 20:49 +0000
Re: FAQ source format (was: Maintainer of the FAQ) Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 18:59 -0800
Re: FAQ source format Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-09 20:13 -0800
Re: FAQ source format Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 20:50 -0800
Re: FAQ source format (was: Maintainer of the FAQ) Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-10 20:41 +0000
Re: FAQ source format (was: Maintainer of the FAQ) Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-10 18:09 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-09 07:06 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 19:12 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-09 20:11 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-10 20:32 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-10 17:53 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-12 21:07 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2012-12-12 21:52 -0500
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-13 16:05 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 00:40 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-13 08:09 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 00:40 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 11:02 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-16 17:58 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-17 11:22 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-17 10:40 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-17 20:05 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 00:31 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Osmo Saarikumpu <osmo@weppipakki.com> - 2012-12-18 10:18 +0200
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-18 13:38 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 14:59 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-18 16:33 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 09:26 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-18 23:09 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 23:47 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 15:21 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-18 16:32 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 08:11 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-19 18:26 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 06:55 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-21 15:46 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-21 06:59 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 08:27 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-21 19:12 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-21 15:30 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 08:24 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-21 19:09 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-21 20:21 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-22 08:58 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-14 08:01 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Adam Silver <adambsilver@gmail.com> - 2012-12-14 00:28 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 23:25 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 00:39 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-16 00:23 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-15 15:00 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Osmo Saarikumpu <osmo@weppipakki.com> - 2012-12-16 17:14 +0200
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-17 18:33 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-16 17:32 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-16 17:24 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-18 17:15 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-19 18:57 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Osmo Saarikumpu <osmo@weppipakki.com> - 2012-12-27 23:03 +0200
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-28 11:14 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-28 09:12 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-08 18:24 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-07 10:11 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-13 09:25 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-14 07:26 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-13 21:45 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-07 21:06 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 02:45 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-08 13:30 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-09 17:00 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-08 10:14 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-05 09:03 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-05 18:39 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-05 11:56 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-05 12:30 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-06 08:54 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-05 23:38 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-12-13 14:18 -0500
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 00:09 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-16 01:54 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-17 18:32 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 07:06 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 17:54 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 11:38 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-18 12:50 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 23:23 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 19:46 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-19 18:10 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 11:31 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-19 22:54 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 16:36 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-05 22:49 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-06 23:21 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-06 15:08 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 01:01 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Adam Silver <adambsilver@gmail.com> - 2012-12-06 07:40 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-06 23:51 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 02:19 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-08 03:57 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 03:06 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-08 09:34 +0100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 13:36 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-22 16:19 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-22 08:59 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-23 13:38 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-23 10:49 +0200
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-23 16:58 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1252@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-24 21:03 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-27 09:33 -0800
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1252@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-28 21:33 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-28 11:16 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-28 09:08 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-28 22:01 +1100
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-28 11:26 +0000
Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-23 19:13 +0000
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| From | Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-11-19 13:00 -0800 |
| Subject | Maintainer of the FAQ |
| Message-ID | <46247081-75ce-430c-8319-459ddcdf17fe@bx4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> |
One of the good resources is going to death if nobody maintains it. In the past we have discussed, but apparently there is not a new maintainer. The FAQ should start covering ES5 since all major engines has implemented it. My personal preferences are for someone who is able to maintaining the current FAQ and adding new things. Would be great if the new maintainer writes articles more often. Of course not everyone has much spare time. In that thread I think we should decide who will be the new maintainer, because the FAQ has not touched since 2010. Scott Sauyet is good choice, he is native English speaker, has positive attitude and enough technical skills. Thomas Lahn except his terrible attitude, he could maintain it, but I am not pretty sure he wants that. Give proposals for the new maintainer, also wiki pages is good variant.
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| From | Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-11-19 13:34 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <aab0463c-8589-4d3a-8d34-3cae0a11f90b@v3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #17308 |
Asen Bozhilov wrote: > One of the good resources is going to death if nobody maintains it. In > the past we have discussed, but apparently there is not a new > maintainer. The FAQ should start covering ES5 since all major engines > has implemented it. That's definitely what our FAQ should be. > My personal preferences are for someone who is able to maintaining the > current FAQ and adding new things. Would be great if the new > maintainer writes articles more often. Of course not everyone has much > spare time. Therein lies the rub. > In that thread I think we should decide who will be the new > maintainer, because the FAQ has not touched since 2010. > > Scott Sauyet is good choice, he is native English speaker, has > positive attitude and enough technical skills. Thank you. I'm honored, but like everyone else, I'm too short of time to take this on by myself. I would be more than willing to contribute to a group effort, however. I really think our best bet would be a wiki, editable by anyone, but with a smallish group of approvers, and possibly one dictator to make final decisions if the approvers cannot agree. > Thomas Lahn except his terrible attitude, he could maintain it, but I > am not pretty sure he wants that. There are many people here who would be great contributors to it, Thomas most certainly included. Last time around, I nominated Richard Cornford, Lasse Reichstein Nielsen, Stefan Weiss, RobG, and ... wait for it ..., Azen Bozhilov. :-) (I guess turn-about is fair play!) Most of these people declined. I also suggested as members of a group such as the wiki approvers above, Thomas Lahn, Dmitry Soshnikov, John Harris, and John Stockton. I would have also included Matt Kruse had he not already declined. > Give proposals for the new maintainer, also wiki pages is good > variant. Does anyone have experience setting up something like MediaWiki? Maybe we can just try this and see if it's working, keeping it in parallel for now with the existing FAQ. -- Scott
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| From | RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> |
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| Date | 2012-11-20 01:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3cc09640-2227-4204-b588-fcacd7c9d0cb@qi8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #17309 |
On Nov 20, 7:34 am, Scott Sauyet <scott.sau...@gmail.com> wrote: > Asen Bozhilov wrote: > > One of the good resources is going to death if nobody maintains it. [...] > > Give proposals for the new maintainer, also wiki pages is good > > variant. > > Does anyone have experience setting up something like MediaWiki? > > Maybe we can just try this and see if it's working, keeping it in > parallel for now with the existing FAQ. I think the traditional FAQ is a dead, an MDN style wiki is a better idea. Since MDN is already far more extensive than the FAQ will ever be (though very flawed), it may be better to just spend whatever time contributors have updating articles there. First step would be to get the notes moved over, then find a good place for each of the other articles. The CLJ FAQ, if it should continue to exist, can then simply reference appropriate parts of MDN. -- Rob
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2012-11-20 13:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1696656.mVPJXBWz45@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #17317 |
RobG wrote: > On Nov 20, 7:34 am, Scott Sauyet <scott.sau...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Asen Bozhilov wrote: >> > One of the good resources is going to death if nobody maintains it. >> > [...] Give proposals for the new maintainer, also wiki pages is good >> > variant. >> >> Does anyone have experience setting up something like MediaWiki? >> >> Maybe we can just try this and see if it's working, keeping it in >> parallel for now with the existing FAQ. > > I think the traditional FAQ is a dead, an MDN style wiki is a better > idea. Since MDN is already far more extensive than the FAQ will ever > be (though very flawed), it may be better to just spend whatever time > contributors have updating articles there. > > First step would be to get the notes moved over, then find a good > place for each of the other articles. The CLJ FAQ, if it should > continue to exist, can then simply reference appropriate parts of MDN. I do not think the FAQ is dead. It has been suffering an extended period of time from being partially outdated, partially bad worded; so it needs to be updated and fixed. One should certainly strive to do that. (Actually, having seen my name coming up again, I have sent Jim Ley a certain e-mail yesterday and are awaiting his reply.) However, AISB (probably), it should not be attempted to make the FAQ into a documentation. That is not the purpose of a FAQ. If at all possible, it should give concise, clear answers to *frequently* *asked* *questions*, particularly to beginners, so that those questions need not be asked (by them) in the newsgroup, and regulars can deal with more interesting questions instead. Insofar I agree that details should be handled by references to external sources, if they exist and are of sufficient quality. (Actually, checking the quality of a source for potential reference in the FAQ may improve its quality as well.) Care must be taken with linking to wikis, though, for the information there may change at any time (and given that there are always fewer experts than intermediates, and fewer intermediates than novices, not necessarily for the better). Who is going to check for the quality of the referenced articles regularly? Therefore, given the choice, I would rather link to a good blog entry than a wiki article. I am thus not convinced that a wiki *instead* of a FAQ would work out. It might complement the FAQ (and eventually replace the FAQ Notes), but is it not easier and better for all of us to deep-link to regular's websites instead? PointedEars -- Sometimes, what you learn is wrong. If those wrong ideas are close to the root of the knowledge tree you build on a particular subject, pruning the bad branches can sometimes cause the whole tree to collapse. -- Mike Duffy in cljs, <news:Xns9FB6521286DB8invalidcom@94.75.214.39>
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| From | Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-11-20 11:24 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <80a25a25-eb8f-4cef-8aa8-b97018bd1d7a@q4g2000vbg.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #17318 |
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Care must be taken with linking to wikis, though, for the information there > may change at any time (and given that there are always fewer experts than > intermediates, and fewer intermediates than novices, not necessarily for the > better). Who is going to check for the quality of the referenced articles > regularly? Therefore, given the choice, I would rather link to a good blog > entry than a wiki article. I am thus not convinced that a wiki *instead* of > a FAQ would work out. It might complement the FAQ (and eventually replace > the FAQ Notes), but is it not easier and better for all of us to deep-link > to regular's websites instead? Usually the quality of the linked resources is regularly handled by the members of the group. All of the FAQ entries are reposted in certain period of time. If there is out of date resource or not found, someone will report it. Even that it is maintainer job to link and check the quality of the resources. If FAQ is moved to wiki pages, should not everyone have editorial permissions. I am proposing 3 editors of wiki pages or FAQ. Scott Sauyet, Thomas Lahn and Dr. J. R. Stockton. Do you agree with these names?
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| From | Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-11-21 19:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <$xD536IRlSrQFwmz@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid> |
| In reply to | #17321 |
In comp.lang.javascript message <80a25a25-eb8f-4cef-8aa8-b97018bd1d7a@q4 g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:24:31, Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> posted: >If FAQ is moved to wiki pages, should not everyone have editorial >permissions. I am proposing 3 editors of wiki pages or FAQ. >Scott Sauyet, Thomas Lahn and Dr. J. R. Stockton. Of those, only the first could be suitable. -- (c) John Stockton, nr London UK. E-addr via Homepage. Turnpike v6.05 MIME. <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> TP/BP/Delphi/&c., FAQqy topics & links; <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/clpb-faq.txt> RAH Prins : c.l.p.b mFAQ.
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| From | Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-11-22 14:09 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <xv-dnQw3dIXqCjDNnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #17330 |
On 22/11/2012 6:19 AM, Dr J R Stockton wrote: > In comp.lang.javascript message <80a25a25-eb8f-4cef-8aa8-b97018bd1d7a@q4 > g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:24:31, Asen Bozhilov > <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> posted: > >> If FAQ is moved to wiki pages, should not everyone have editorial >> permissions. I am proposing 3 editors of wiki pages or FAQ. >> Scott Sauyet, Thomas Lahn and Dr. J. R. Stockton. > > Of those, only the first could be suitable. If you spent the time your spend denigrating other people working on the FAQ there would be a decent FAQ by now. Andrew Poulos
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| From | Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-11-20 19:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o5x8VCUf89qQFw9i@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid> |
| In reply to | #17309 |
In comp.lang.javascript message <aab0463c-8589-4d3a-8d34-3cae0a11f90b@v3 g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:34:19, Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> posted: >Does anyone have experience setting up something like MediaWiki? > >Maybe we can just try this and see if it's working, keeping it in >parallel for now with the existing FAQ. > I somewhat disagree. A newsgroup FAQ ***MUST*** be primarily in the newsgroup, so that everyone who regularly uses the newsgroup will see it every time that appears, and if knowledgeable will be encouraged to think about any desirable changes. Distribution of the present stale FAQ, and of its daily fragments, should be terminated, leaving it as a dated, outdated, Web page. The sections about posting to the newsgroup, Section 1 and a revised Section 14, can be posted as a meta-FAQ, with a new section leading to currently-recommended other sources of information, such as the old FAQ, JSmentors and any Wiki that is set up. Any Wiki should copy only those parts of the FAQ which are or become of current *interest*; and should rewritten as needed in the copying. For example, all links should be checked for leading to a **legal** copy of an intended and appropriate document. Standards documents are copyright to the authoring body, and (alas) commonly issued only in exchange for real money. Any group should first decide its target readership, and not degenerate into dealing only with a more limited range of topics. A descendant of CLJ should cover the full range of ECMAScript and near-ECMAScript usage - JScript in WSH, JScript in HTAs, JavaScript in Web pages and servers, etc., and be primarily to assist the under-informed. It should not, for example, degenerate into a coterie talking only about the internals of the next edition of ECMAScript implementations. Any group possessing some sort of site or forum needs a stable core quorum of reasonably amiable maintainers. That eliminates Thomas, unless he can find sufficient other people like himself. -- (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK. E-mail, see Home Page. Turnpike v6.05. Website <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms PAS EXE etc. : <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/> - see in 00index.htm Dates - miscdate.htm estrdate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.
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| From | Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-11-20 19:56 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <fd8e0d4c-2a5d-4e3f-ab3e-69c534052b7f@a14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #17323 |
Dr J R Stockton wrote: > Scott Sauyet posted: > >> Does anyone have experience setting up something like MediaWiki? > >> Maybe we can just try this and see if it's working, keeping it in >> parallel for now with the existing FAQ. > > I somewhat disagree. A newsgroup FAQ ***MUST*** be primarily in the > newsgroup, so that everyone who regularly uses the newsgroup will see it > every time that appears, and if knowledgeable will be encouraged to > think about any desirable changes. I was suggesting a wiki for easy maintenance and shared responsibility. I would expect the same daily posting we get now to continue. I think that's an excellent service. > Distribution of the present stale FAQ, and of its daily fragments, > should be terminated, leaving it as a dated, outdated, Web page. If we are going to continue to have a FAQ -- and I think that RobG is right that it's a reasonable question to ask -- then I disagree. We should work on freshening the content, and building an infrastructure that makes it easier to maintain without the burden falling too heavily on one member. But I think keeping the daily posting meanwhile would be worthwhile. > [ ... ] > Any group possessing some sort of site or forum needs a stable core > quorum of reasonably amiable maintainers. That eliminates Thomas, > unless he can find sufficient other people like himself. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would claim that such a rule would eliminate me. Or you. If we really need to, I'm sure we can find a way to measure reputation on the site and use that to guide eligibility; but I would really rather not bother. If we decide to go with a solution like this (and I have a further suggestion below) then I would prefer to find a core of 5 - 10 volunteers who have the authority to approve changes to the FAQ submitted by that core group or by anyone else. I've been thinking of an alternative to both the current XML -> Website and the suggestions for a wiki version, and it's something that I think might work well. What if we had the FAQ Questions (and Answers, of course) hosted as Github pages on a community account, maintained in a simple Markdown format appropriate for posting, but which could also be published through the Github tools as a static website? Obviously we'd have to rewrite the daily poster, but it could presumably be fairly simple if the source was already in a posting-ready format. This would allow anyone who had FAQ suggestions, anything from typo corrections to radical reorganizations, to send a Github pull request, and allow any of the maintenance team to choose whether or not to merge that request in. I would assume that when there was any controversy about such decisions, they would be carried out in the group. I don't have any experience setting up anything like this. But I'm hoping to try something this weekend just to see how feasible it might be. I'd love to hear any suggestions, critiques, offers of help, whatever. -- Scott
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-11-21 11:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <3114519.VCQgQ73sGH@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #17325 |
Scott Sauyet wrote:
> I don't have any experience setting up anything like this. But I'm
> hoping to try something this weekend just to see how feasible it might
> be. I'd love to hear any suggestions, critiques, offers of help,
> whatever.
<news:1696656.mVPJXBWz45@PointedEars.de>, first paragraph.
HTH
PointedEars
--
var bugRiddenCrashPronePieceOfJunk = (
navigator.userAgent.indexOf('MSIE 5') != -1
&& navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Mac') != -1
) // Plone, register_function.js:16
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| From | Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-11-22 23:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <0c2rsrbEarrQFwUN@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid> |
| In reply to | #17325 |
In comp.lang.javascript message <fd8e0d4c-2a5d-4e3f-ab3e-69c534052b7f@a1
4g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:56:00, Scott Sauyet
<scott.sauyet@gmail.com> posted:
>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>> Scott Sauyet posted:
>>
>>> Does anyone have experience setting up something like MediaWiki?
>>
>>> Maybe we can just try this and see if it's working, keeping it in
>>> parallel for now with the existing FAQ.
>>
>> I somewhat disagree. A newsgroup FAQ ***MUST*** be primarily in the
>> newsgroup, so that everyone who regularly uses the newsgroup will see it
>> every time that appears, and if knowledgeable will be encouraged to
>> think about any desirable changes.
>
>I was suggesting a wiki for easy maintenance and shared
>responsibility. I would expect the same daily posting we get now to
>continue. I think that's an excellent service.
It is not now; and it should be terminated, because it posts an out-of-
date document. But it was (except that the Subject should not have the
current date) excellent.
>> Distribution of the present stale FAQ, and of its daily fragments,
>> should be terminated, leaving it as a dated, outdated, Web page.
>
>If we are going to continue to have a FAQ -- and I think that RobG is
>right that it's a reasonable question to ask -- then I disagree. We
>should work on freshening the content, and building an infrastructure
>that makes it easier to maintain without the burden falling too
>heavily on one member. But I think keeping the daily posting
>meanwhile would be worthwhile.
You do not disagree, since you are referring to a maintained FAQ and I
was referring to a stale one.
The present FAQ could certainly be divided into say five parts, each
with its own maintainer, maybe :
1. The use of the newsgroup
2. External resources
3. ECMAScript and algorithms in ECMAscript
4. The interaction of the HTML DOM with JScript and JavaScript
5. Anything else, such as server javascripts, HTAs, etc.
Then each part could be posted early in its own particular day of the
European working week (Europe has about the average offset from GMT).
>> [ ... ]
>> Any group possessing some sort of site or forum needs a stable core
>> quorum of reasonably amiable maintainers. That eliminates Thomas,
>> unless he can find sufficient other people like himself.
>
>I'm sure there are plenty of people who would claim that such a rule
>would eliminate me. Or you.
Indeed. But not nearly as many, I respectively expect and hope.
> If we really need to, I'm sure we can
>find a way to measure reputation on the site and use that to guide
>eligibility; but I would really rather not bother. If we decide to go
>with a solution like this (and I have a further suggestion below) then
>I would prefer to find a core of 5 - 10 volunteers who have the
>authority to approve changes to the FAQ submitted by that core group
>or by anyone else.
Carefully selected volunteers - sufficiently knowledgeable and
psychologically suitable.
>I've been thinking of an alternative to both the current XML ->
>Website and the suggestions for a wiki version, and it's something
>that I think might work well. What if we had the FAQ Questions (and
>Answers, of course) hosted as Github pages on a community account,
>maintained in a simple Markdown format appropriate for posting, but
>which could also be published through the Github tools as a static
>website? Obviously we'd have to rewrite the daily poster, but it
>could presumably be fairly simple if the source was already in a
>posting-ready format.
I've looked at Github, without understanding it. A newbie, and it is
they for whom the FAQ should be intended, would generally not be helped.
By all means have a Github community; but not instead of anything here.
>This would allow anyone who had FAQ suggestions, anything from typo
>corrections to radical reorganizations, to send a Github pull request,
>and allow any of the maintenance team to choose whether or not to
>merge that request in. I would assume that when there was any
>controversy about such decisions, they would be carried out in the
>group.
--
(c) John Stockton, nr London UK. E-addr via Homepage. Turnpike v6.05 MIME.
<http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> TP/BP/Delphi/&c., FAQqy topics & links;
<http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/clpb-faq.txt> RAH Prins : c.l.p.b mFAQ.
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| From | Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-11-23 11:07 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <8324889a-6ef7-4a83-8bce-1088f03dd04f@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #17338 |
Dr J R Stockton wrote: > Scott Sauyet posted: >> I've been thinking of an alternative to both the current XML -> >> Website and the suggestions for a wiki version, and it's something >> that I think might work well. What if we had the FAQ Questions (and >> Answers, of course) hosted as Github pages on a community account, >> maintained in a simple Markdown format appropriate for posting, but >> which could also be published through the Github tools as a static >> website? Obviously we'd have to rewrite the daily poster, but it >> could presumably be fairly simple if the source was already in a >> posting-ready format. > > I've looked at Github, without understanding it. A newbie, and it is > they for whom the FAQ should be intended, would generally not be helped. > By all means have a Github community; but not instead of anything here. Perhaps what I was suggesting wasn't clear enough. Git is a version- control system, somewhat different from ones like CVS and Subversion in that there is not necessarily a centralized repository. Instead it involves a collection of independent peers which can synchronize with one another separately. Github is a website and web application that adds back some centralization to that model, serving as a de facto central host for a very large number of open source projects. Its reach has expanded beyond traditional software systems into documentation and other collections of versioned documents. One of its features is that it can serve as an alternative to an HTTP server for static sites, while still allowing easy versioning of the content. With some of the tools provided, some templating can be applied to add static headers, footers, sidebars, etc., to make this static content into reasonable looking web pages, all created from some very simple versioned documents. It was this that I thought might be useful for us. It's not that Github would in any way supplant our FAQ, but would simply become the storage and hosting mechanism. The advantage would be that it would become very easy to clone, very easy for people to make changes to their copies and then ask the maintainers to include those changes in the official version. The only reason for using Github would be to simplify the sharing of these responsibilities and maintaining the historical record of our changes. To the end user, the FAQ would still look like either a single long document or a collection of short ones as we choose. Would that be a reasonable approach? -- Scott
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| From | Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-11-24 18:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1xi7niGJJRsQFwuB@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid> |
| In reply to | #17341 |
In comp.lang.javascript message <8324889a-6ef7-4a83-8bce-1088f03dd04f@b1
2g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:07:45, Scott Sauyet
<scott.sauyet@gmail.com> posted:
>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>> Scott Sauyet posted:
>
>>> I've been thinking of an alternative to both the current XML ->
>>> Website and the suggestions for a wiki version, and it's something
>>> that I think might work well. What if we had the FAQ Questions (and
>>> Answers, of course) hosted as Github pages on a community account,
>>> maintained in a simple Markdown format appropriate for posting, but
>>> which could also be published through the Github tools as a static
>>> website? Obviously we'd have to rewrite the daily poster, but it
>>> could presumably be fairly simple if the source was already in a
>>> posting-ready format.
>>
>> I've looked at Github, without understanding it. A newbie, and it is
>> they for whom the FAQ should be intended, would generally not be helped.
>> By all means have a Github community; but not instead of anything here.
>
>Perhaps what I was suggesting wasn't clear enough. Git is a version-
>control system, somewhat different from ones like CVS and Subversion
>in that there is not necessarily a centralized repository. Instead it
>involves a collection of independent peers which can synchronize with
>one another separately. Github is a website and web application that
>adds back some centralization to that model, serving as a de facto
>central host for a very large number of open source projects.
>
>Its reach has expanded beyond traditional software systems into
>documentation and other collections of versioned documents. One of
>its features is that it can serve as an alternative to an HTTP server
>for static sites, while still allowing easy versioning of the
>content. With some of the tools provided, some templating can be
>applied to add static headers, footers, sidebars, etc., to make this
>static content into reasonable looking web pages, all created from
>some very simple versioned documents.
>
>It was this that I thought might be useful for us. It's not that
>Github would in any way supplant our FAQ, but would simply become the
>storage and hosting mechanism. The advantage would be that it would
>become very easy to clone, very easy for people to make changes to
>their copies and then ask the maintainers to include those changes in
>the official version. The only reason for using Github would be to
>simplify the sharing of these responsibilities and maintaining the
>historical record of our changes. To the end user, the FAQ would
>still look like either a single long document or a collection of short
>ones as we choose.
>
>Would that be a reasonable approach?
For a FAQ to be a newsgroup's topic FAQ (as opposed to a posting
etiquette FAQ), it needs to be regularly posted, in one pieces, a few
pieces, or many pieces, to that newsgroup in plain-text, so that all
regulars of the newsgroup WILL see it regularly and can in that manner
be tempted to propose changes. Given an active maintainer with a
suitable personality and a fair general knowledge of the whole topic,
that works well.
I have edited such a FAQ, though its newsgroup is long gone :-
<http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/y2k_mfaq.txt>.
If the master copy of a FAQ is a plain-text file, then a new maintainer
has nothing to learn about editing it.
The CLJ FAQ degenerated when in the interest of prettiness it became a
derivative of a more webby version, which to some extent constrained the
representation of actual code.
Of course, with a pure-ASCII FAQ served as a *.TXT file generally is,
one cannot give a URL for a particular section.
One can get round that with a pure HTML FAQ, provided that there is a
simple freely-available means of converting it to plaintext without any
loss or distortion of content.
If there is a Web FAQ occupying more than one web page, there should be
a built-on means of searching just the FAQ - I think suitable search
controls are available (free?) - with a sufficiently wide input control.
But the obvious question is "Can you point us to an existing FAQ
(preferably but not necessarily on a similar topic) or similar which is
actually maintained and distributed in the proposed manner? - or can you
generate an actual example, perhaps using representative parts of the
current CLJ FAQ?".
For amusement :
178.154.243.101 avidly accesses my 403 page.
65.55.213.66 may be the next to get it.
--
(c) John Stockton, nr London UK. ??@merlyn.demon.co.uk Turnpike v6.05 MIME.
Web <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms
Dates - miscdate.htm Year 2000 - date2000.htm Critical Dates - critdate.htm
Euro computing - european.htm UK Y2k mini-FAQ: y2k_mfaq.txt Don't Mail News
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| From | jim.ley@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2012-11-22 03:06 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <8784c16d-0661-4482-a79b-75007745b1cb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #17308 |
On Monday, 19 November 2012 21:00:51 UTC, Asen Bozhilov wrote: > One of the good resources is going to death if nobody maintains it. > In the past we have discussed, but apparently there is not a new > maintainer. The problem has always been finding a maintainer with the time... I am of course completely happy to transfer access and control of the FAQ - either a redirect to a new site or SSH access as before to the box (which is underpowered and poorly connected really...) To a new author, however I would be wary transferring it to anyone without a clear mandate from the group - so controversial figures need support. I would caution that a WIKI will require more regular maintaining to prevent spam if it's at all open, but at least can remain current. Jim.
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| From | Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-11-22 07:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e44cc026-927e-4412-b879-d2cf588cb6a6@4g2000yql.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #17334 |
Jim wrote: > The problem has always been finding a maintainer with the time... Even I agree with that, the major problem is not the time. If you check the group statistic you will see how many people regularly post here. I do not see problem the maintainer to spend some hours in maintaining FAQ during the week. As Thomas pointed out, before something went in FAQ, should be asked before. It is not necessarily to be asked here. There are many frequently asked JS questions, for which I think c.l.js has good answers. The maintainer should follow not only c.l.js, he should be well informed. > I am of course completely happy to transfer access and control of the FAQ - either a redirect to a new site or SSH access as before to the box (which is underpowered and poorly connected really...) To a new author, however I would be wary transferring it to anyone without a clear mandate from the group - so controversial figures need support. I agree that the person should be chosen by consensus from the members. If there is only one maintainer, I would the future decisions are made with consensus from the group. It means before he is going to add something or remove to be discussed with the other members. Is it OK for you? According to the group statistic and if you agree with that Thomas Lahn should be the new maintainer. Glad you wrote in this thread, we really need new maintainer and hope after that topic we will have new one.
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| From | Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> |
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| Date | 2012-11-22 08:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <k8lhg0$usf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17334 |
jim.ley@gmail.com wrote: ... > I would caution that a WIKI will require more regular maintaining to prevent spam if it's at all open, but at least can remain current. Just want to support this. I am a maintainer of an open Wiki. I suspect there are rooms full of people being paid money to SPAM Wikis. Opposing this requires several maintainers, preferably in different time zones. -- Regards, Martin Leese E-mail: please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID Web: http://members.tripod.com/martin_leese/
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| From | Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-11-23 20:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vNE9IzGMX9rQFwXc@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid> |
| In reply to | #17337 |
In comp.lang.javascript message <k8lhg0$usf$1@dont-email.me>, Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:48:13, Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> posted: >jim.ley@gmail.com wrote: >... >> I would caution that a WIKI will require more regular maintaining to >>prevent spam if it's at all open, but at least can remain current. > >Just want to support this. I am a maintainer >of an open Wiki. I suspect there are rooms >full of people being paid money to SPAM >Wikis. Opposing this requires several >maintainers, preferably in different time >zones. A FAQ should be an edited document, with limited write access; it should be the responsibility of a named real person or group of real persons, or of a real-world organisation. Jim : now that you are back : assuming such can be found, how about appointing and empowering not only a maintainer but a spare maintainer? All : $fish.htm, currently on my Website, is a MathJax snippet tester, with links to the MathJax site etc. To preserve bandwidth, that file will only work in November. MathJax is a JavaScript maths "typesetter". -- (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK. E-mail, see Home Page. Turnpike v6.05. Website <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms PAS EXE etc. : <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/> - see in 00index.htm Dates - miscdate.htm estrdate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.
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| From | "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> |
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| Date | 2012-11-24 10:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA1156BEACAC09eejj99@194.109.133.133> |
| In reply to | #17342 |
Dr J R Stockton wrote on 23 nov 2012 in comp.lang.javascript: > A FAQ should be an edited document, with limited write access; it should > be the responsibility of a named real person or group of real persons, > or of a real-world organisation. I agree. The interactivity of a wiki-application is not needed, as such interactivity is presently available by the nature of usenet and our NG. Such wiki would need individual write permission and moderation anyway, a step that in the present form of the FAQ would automagically be performed by an actively maintaining maintainer [and probably the invisible helpers he chooses]. ============ > A FAQ should be an edited document, Methinks, the FAQ sould better be a tree of documents, making linking to the pertaining part by others more logical than the present anchor method. -- Evertjan. The Netherlands. (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
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| From | Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-11-25 19:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rWGMuXEY6msQFw+s@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid> |
| In reply to | #17344 |
In comp.lang.javascript message <XnsA1156BEACAC09eejj99@194.109.133.133> , Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:36:31, Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> posted: >Dr J R Stockton wrote on 23 nov 2012 in comp.lang.javascript: >> A FAQ should be an edited document, > >Methinks, the FAQ sould better be a tree of documents, >making linking to the pertaining part by others more logical >than the present anchor method. That's good for citing. But for searching for an answer, or quickly reviewing, a single page or article is best. However, the view of the FAQ as seen when editing does not need to be exactly the same as that presented for use; and there can be more than one view presented for use. There could be an indexed tree of pagelets, and a small program that collects their bodies into a single page. Exantlati ? -- (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK. Mail via homepage. Turnpike v6.05 MIME. Web <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQqish topics, acronyms and links; Astro stuff via astron-1.htm, gravity0.htm ; quotings.htm, pascal.htm, etc.
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| From | John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-11-26 10:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vyLbFLDOI0sQFwcR@J.A830F0FF37FB96852AD08924D9443D28E23ED5CD> |
| In reply to | #17348 |
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 at 19:16:40, in comp.lang.javascript, Dr J R Stockton wrote: >In comp.lang.javascript message <XnsA1156BEACAC09eejj99@194.109.133.133> >, Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:36:31, Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> >posted: > >>Dr J R Stockton wrote on 23 nov 2012 in comp.lang.javascript: > >>> A FAQ should be an edited document, >> >>Methinks, the FAQ sould better be a tree of documents, >>making linking to the pertaining part by others more logical >>than the present anchor method. > >That's good for citing. > >But for searching for an answer, or quickly reviewing, a single page or >article is best. <snip> And we mustn't forget that an important use of the FAQ is so we can say 'Read the FAQ!' to inexperienced people who've done something inadvisable. We don't want those people to crawl round a maze of web pages, let alone use the search feature of a wiki : they won't know what they're looking for. John -- John Harris
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