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| First post | 2021-12-11 13:12 -0800 |
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ANN: Dogelog, Invitation to the Moon! Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2021-12-11 13:12 -0800
Re: ANN: Dogelog, Invitation to the Moon! Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-12-18 13:10 +0100
Re: ANN: Dogelog, Invitation to the Moon! Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2022-01-04 09:23 -0800
Re: ANN: Dogelog, Invitation to the Moon! Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2022-01-21 06:21 -0800
Re: ANN: Dogelog, Invitation to the Moon! Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2022-01-28 19:28 +0100
Re: ANN: Dogelog, Invitation to the Moon! Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2022-02-02 03:49 -0800
Re: ANN: Dogelog, Invitation to the Moon! Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2022-02-17 08:28 -0800
Re: ANN: Dogelog, Invitation to the Moon! Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2022-02-25 04:16 -0800
Re: ANN: Dogelog, Invitation to the Moon! Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2022-02-25 13:36 -0800
Re: ANN: Dogelog, Invitation to the Moon! Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2022-03-04 15:38 +0100
| From | Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-11 13:12 -0800 |
| Subject | ANN: Dogelog, Invitation to the Moon! |
| Message-ID | <dc06b778-5392-4a30-be6e-8d26e20c44f9n@googlegroups.com> |
Dear All, The website http://www.xlog.ch/ is now open for newsletter registration. What are the plans for the next 10 years (sic!): - Past: 100% Java Prolog We had the Jekejeke Suite consisting of Runtime, Minlog and Debugger. The Runtime was initially 100% Java, including things like consult and top-level. - Present: 100% Prolog Prolog This year in 2021 we managed to deliver a new breed of Prolog, with the Dogelog Player we demonstrated a Prolog system which had most of it written in Prolog itself. The Dogelog Player is available for JavaScript and Python. - Future: The goal is to produce a Dogelog Suite consisting of Runtime, Minlog and Debugger, all based on the new 100% Prolog approach of the Dogelog Player. It is planned that Dogelog Suite will again cover Java, but we could also try novel targets such as Steel Bank Common Lisp (SBCL), etc.. Disclaimer: It might take some time till the new website http://www.xlog.ch/ shows some binaries, since we have removed us from GitHub. We are working on it. Have Fun! #StaySafe Jan Burse, 11.12.2021
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| From | Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2021-12-18 13:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <spkj2o$b75$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #40660 |
Dear All, We are happy to announce a new edition of the Dogelog Player: - Binary Release: The new version 0.9.7 of the Dogelog player now masters DCG. We have decided to upload the transpiled and compacted editions for the JavaScript and Python platforms to www.xlog.ch under the heading "Products". - Quelltexte: As an alternative to GitHub, we have now activated pages.xlog.ch. In addition to the source texts of the transpiler and the built-ins of the Dogelog player, this website also contains the manuals and the source texts of the tutorials. Both JavaScript and Python source code can be found. - Blogging: As an alternative to Gist, we are now reporting on medium.com/@janburse_2989 about the developments in the Dogelog player. We also use twitter.com/dogelogch and www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog for short messages. Have Fun! #StaySafe Jan Burse, 18.12.2021 Mostowski Collapse schrieb: > Dear All, > > The website http://www.xlog.ch/ is now open for > newsletter registration. What are the plans for > the next 10 years (sic!): > > - Past: 100% Java Prolog > We had the Jekejeke Suite consisting of Runtime, > Minlog and Debugger. The Runtime was initially > 100% Java, including things like consult and top-level. > > - Present: 100% Prolog Prolog > This year in 2021 we managed to deliver a new breed > of Prolog, with the Dogelog Player we demonstrated > a Prolog system which had most of it written in Prolog itself. > The Dogelog Player is available for JavaScript and Python. > > - Future: > The goal is to produce a Dogelog Suite consisting > of Runtime, Minlog and Debugger, all based on the new > 100% Prolog approach of the Dogelog Player. It is planned > that Dogelog Suite will again cover Java, but we could > also try novel targets such as Steel Bank Common Lisp (SBCL), etc.. > > Disclaimer: It might take some time till the new website > http://www.xlog.ch/ shows some binaries, since we have > removed us from GitHub. We are working on it. > > Have Fun! #StaySafe > Jan Burse, 11.12.2021 >
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| From | Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-01-04 09:23 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a87fa294-97a5-419d-9a27-bbf5db27f172n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #40675 |
Ok, here is a write-up of our christmas and newyears passtime: Prolog Barber Paradox in JavaScript/Python https://qiita.com/j4n_bur53/items/59128d9eeb61b86dd133 Have Fun! Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 18. Dezember 2021 um 13:10:13 UTC+1: > Dear All, > > We are happy to announce a new edition > of the Dogelog Player: > > - Binary Release: > The new version 0.9.7 of the Dogelog player > now masters DCG. We have decided to upload the > transpiled and compacted editions for the > JavaScript and Python platforms to www.xlog.ch > under the heading "Products". > > - Quelltexte: > As an alternative to GitHub, we have now > activated pages.xlog.ch. In addition to the > source texts of the transpiler and the built-ins > of the Dogelog player, this website also > contains the manuals and the source texts of > the tutorials. Both JavaScript and Python source > code can be found. > > - Blogging: > As an alternative to Gist, we are now reporting > on medium.com/@janburse_2989 about the developments > in the Dogelog player. We also use > twitter.com/dogelogch and > www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog for short messages. > > Have Fun! #StaySafe > Jan Burse, 18.12.2021 > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb: > > Dear All, > > > > The website http://www.xlog.ch/ is now open for > > newsletter registration. What are the plans for > > the next 10 years (sic!): > > > > - Past: 100% Java Prolog > > We had the Jekejeke Suite consisting of Runtime, > > Minlog and Debugger. The Runtime was initially > > 100% Java, including things like consult and top-level. > > > > - Present: 100% Prolog Prolog > > This year in 2021 we managed to deliver a new breed > > of Prolog, with the Dogelog Player we demonstrated > > a Prolog system which had most of it written in Prolog itself. > > The Dogelog Player is available for JavaScript and Python. > > > > - Future: > > The goal is to produce a Dogelog Suite consisting > > of Runtime, Minlog and Debugger, all based on the new > > 100% Prolog approach of the Dogelog Player. It is planned > > that Dogelog Suite will again cover Java, but we could > > also try novel targets such as Steel Bank Common Lisp (SBCL), etc.. > > > > Disclaimer: It might take some time till the new website > > http://www.xlog.ch/ shows some binaries, since we have > > removed us from GitHub. We are working on it. > > > > Have Fun! #StaySafe > > Jan Burse, 11.12.2021 > >
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| From | Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-01-21 06:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <597ccdc2-ae4d-41f5-bba9-6ceef553230cn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #40726 |
We never put a ZIP with the tutorial examples on our website? This has now changed: Dogelog Tutorials locally in VS Code https://twitter.com/dogelogch/status/1484524851947782148 Dogelog Tutorials locally in VS Code https://www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Dienstag, 4. Januar 2022 um 18:23:51 UTC+1: > Ok, here is a write-up of our christmas and newyears passtime: > > Prolog Barber Paradox in JavaScript/Python > https://qiita.com/j4n_bur53/items/59128d9eeb61b86dd133 > > Have Fun! > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 18. Dezember 2021 um 13:10:13 UTC+1: > > Dear All, > > > > We are happy to announce a new edition > > of the Dogelog Player: > > > > - Binary Release: > > The new version 0.9.7 of the Dogelog player > > now masters DCG. We have decided to upload the > > transpiled and compacted editions for the > > JavaScript and Python platforms to www.xlog.ch > > under the heading "Products". > > > > - Quelltexte: > > As an alternative to GitHub, we have now > > activated pages.xlog.ch. In addition to the > > source texts of the transpiler and the built-ins > > of the Dogelog player, this website also > > contains the manuals and the source texts of > > the tutorials. Both JavaScript and Python source > > code can be found. > > > > - Blogging: > > As an alternative to Gist, we are now reporting > > on medium.com/@janburse_2989 about the developments > > in the Dogelog player. We also use > > twitter.com/dogelogch and > > www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog for short messages. > > > > Have Fun! #StaySafe > > Jan Burse, 18.12.2021 > > > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > The website http://www.xlog.ch/ is now open for > > > newsletter registration. What are the plans for > > > the next 10 years (sic!): > > > > > > - Past: 100% Java Prolog > > > We had the Jekejeke Suite consisting of Runtime, > > > Minlog and Debugger. The Runtime was initially > > > 100% Java, including things like consult and top-level. > > > > > > - Present: 100% Prolog Prolog > > > This year in 2021 we managed to deliver a new breed > > > of Prolog, with the Dogelog Player we demonstrated > > > a Prolog system which had most of it written in Prolog itself. > > > The Dogelog Player is available for JavaScript and Python. > > > > > > - Future: > > > The goal is to produce a Dogelog Suite consisting > > > of Runtime, Minlog and Debugger, all based on the new > > > 100% Prolog approach of the Dogelog Player. It is planned > > > that Dogelog Suite will again cover Java, but we could > > > also try novel targets such as Steel Bank Common Lisp (SBCL), etc.. > > > > > > Disclaimer: It might take some time till the new website > > > http://www.xlog.ch/ shows some binaries, since we have > > > removed us from GitHub. We are working on it. > > > > > > Have Fun! #StaySafe > > > Jan Burse, 11.12.2021 > > >
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| From | Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2022-01-28 19:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <st1ckp$aqgu$2@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #40758 |
We never put a ZIP with the full source of Dogelog player on our website, including the transpiler? This has changed now: Style Checks for Dogelog Player https://twitter.com/dogelogch/status/1487125950588506112 Style Checks for Dogelog Player https://www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog Mostowski Collapse schrieb: > We never put a ZIP with the tutorial examples on > our website? This has now changed: > > Dogelog Tutorials locally in VS Code > https://twitter.com/dogelogch/status/1484524851947782148 > > Dogelog Tutorials locally in VS Code > https://www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog
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| From | Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-02 03:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <770e0a14-94b4-4671-9955-2b862b918d69n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #40772 |
The beauty of 3 valued logic! Or is it linear logic? Like the cut the new construct isn't commutative, but its implemented with extending true/false inside the Prolog trampoline. Was having a look at ECLiPSe Prolog engines. yield(+ToParent, -FromParent) Stop the running engine in the yielded-state, and wait for resume https://eclipseclp.org/docs/7.0/bips/kernel/engines/ I made something simpler for Dogelog player, which can be used to bootstrap a lot of things: '$STOP'(R): Internal only The built-in stops the interpreter loop with return value R. This is a forever and ever stop! Can this be used for anything? Well here is a sleep/1 implementation, it is assumed that the integer return value is interpreted as the delay of a timeout promise: sleep(T) :- '$STOP'(T). sleep(_). Putting everything together and we get: Async/Await Prolog Console for JavaScript/Python https://twitter.com/dogelogch/status/1488831738348515334 Async/Await Prolog Console for JavaScript/Python https://www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog With video recording! Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 28. Januar 2022 um 19:28:49 UTC+1: > We never put a ZIP with the full source of Dogelog player on > our website, including the transpiler? This has changed now: > > Style Checks for Dogelog Player > https://twitter.com/dogelogch/status/1487125950588506112 > > Style Checks for Dogelog Player > https://www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb: > > We never put a ZIP with the tutorial examples on > > our website? This has now changed: > > > > Dogelog Tutorials locally in VS Code > > https://twitter.com/dogelogch/status/1484524851947782148 > > > > Dogelog Tutorials locally in VS Code > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog
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| From | Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-17 08:28 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <41074492-30d2-451b-9f26-46b2a0e5170en@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #40773 |
Some people live in the past, but the future is now! For example I get for: retractall((factorial(_,_))). assertz((factorial(0,1) :- !)). assertz((factorial(N,X) :- M is N-1, factorial(M,Y), X is N*Y)). factorial(28,X). http://yieldprolog.sourceforge.net/queryEditor.html This result is a float and not a bigint: X = 3.0488834461171384e+29; So forget Yield Prolog, try Dogelog player, runs in Python and JavaScript: factorial(0,1) :- !. factorial(N,X) :- M is N-1, factorial(M,Y), X is N*Y. ?- factorial(28,X). http://www.xlog.ch/izytab/doclet/docs/18_live/10_reference/example01/package.html The result is bigint: X = 304888344611713860501504000000. BigInt has already 92% browser support: https://caniuse.com/bigint
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| From | Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-25 04:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2d5ecfd1-d73c-4cbf-82ea-d868468347ebn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #40794 |
Dogelog Player has left behind the ISO core standard, and implements living standard Prolog. What is living standard Prolog? It aims at implementing a more flexible Prolog than what ISO core standard prescribes, a more flexible Prolog that reflects the reality of the majority of Prolog systems. For example I do now have in Dogelog player: ?- op(200,fy,!). true ?- X = foo(!). X = foo(!). ?- X = (foo :- !). X = (foo :- !). http://www.xlog.ch/izytab/doclet/docs/18_live/10_reference/example01/package.html Is this the behaviour of the majority of Prolog systems? Don't know. Only did a sample of a few Prolog systems. SWI-Prolog and Tau Prolog can parse the last query. GNU Prolog and Scryer Prolog cannot parse the last query.
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| From | Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-25 13:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <8db960c5-484c-4bc6-b783-fe337a8e0867n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #40796 |
It seems I must retract my hands clapping and tend now to be more agnostic what Tau Prolog does, and wouldn't care less what Scryer Prolog thinks Tau Prolog should do. I found a way to convert legacy Prolog text into Scryer Prolog format. The steps are relatively simple: 1) Consult the Prolog text in SWI-Prolog 2) Call listing/[0,1] in SWI-Prolog SWI-Prolog puts an additional parenthesis around operators, even when they were not there during input. Its the most crazy thing I have ever seen, that such a conversion step is necessary. But I don't want to start a war, must have been watching too much Putin Ukraine recently. Should those who feel appointed waste their time on GitHub issues and discussions. It seems 50% of Prolog GitHub is filled with this madness. Thank god Dogelog player is not on GitHub. Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 25. Februar 2022 um 13:17:04 UTC+1: > Dogelog Player has left behind the ISO core standard, and > implements living standard Prolog. What is living standard > Prolog? It aims at implementing a more flexible Prolog > > than what ISO core standard prescribes, a more flexible Prolog > that reflects the reality of the majority of Prolog systems. > For example I do now have in Dogelog player: > > ?- op(200,fy,!). > true > ?- X = foo(!). > X = foo(!). > ?- X = (foo :- !). > X = (foo :- !). > > http://www.xlog.ch/izytab/doclet/docs/18_live/10_reference/example01/package.html > > Is this the behaviour of the majority of Prolog systems? Don't > know. Only did a sample of a few Prolog systems. SWI-Prolog > and Tau Prolog can parse the last query. > > GNU Prolog and Scryer Prolog cannot parse the last query.
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| From | Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 15:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <svt88g$23u4p$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #40660 |
Its quite confusing that SWI-PL 7.x WASM performs so different from SWI-PL 8.x Native. So we did some benchmarking also for the native platform, including formerly Jekejeke Prolog. This will be possibly our further setup to groom Dogelog Player: ECLiPSe: 1360 ms SWI: 2891 ms GNU: 3089 ms Jekejeke: 5130 ms Scryer (rebis-dev, WSL): 7452 ms Dogelog (node): 16981 ms Woa! We still beat Scryer Prolog although Scryer Prolog made big progress. But I guess it doesn't have multi-argument indexing yet, neither does Dogelog. So this will be quite a suspense, to see the further development framed by this new benchmark setting, provided we see the dawn of the next weeks. See also: Dogelog Player reaches Functionality Milestone https://twitter.com/dogelogch/status/1498983663924658176 Dogelog Player reaches Functionality Milestone https://www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog
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