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new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale

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  new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2017-12-31 09:57 -0800
    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-12-31 20:48 +0100
      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2018-01-02 04:41 +0700
        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-01 23:37 +0100
        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-03 02:25 +0100
          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-03 12:55 +0100
          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-04 04:02 -0800
            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Martin Honnen <martin.honnen@gmx.de> - 2018-01-04 13:30 +0100
            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-04 16:48 +0100
    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-06 13:02 -0200
      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-06 11:18 -0800
        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-07 13:07 -0200
          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-07 12:19 -0800
            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-08 11:43 +0000
              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-08 13:26 +0100
                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-08 16:36 +0000
              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-08 06:09 -0800
                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-08 16:33 +0000
                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-08 18:58 +0000
                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-08 19:33 +0000
                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-08 20:26 +0000
                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-08 22:10 +0100
                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 02:55 +0100
                          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-09 09:36 +0100
                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 02:10 +0100
                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-09 03:35 +0000
                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-09 15:51 +1100
                          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-09 13:17 +0000
                            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-09 14:44 +0100
                              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-09 14:13 +0000
                                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-10 17:28 +1100
                                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-10 21:01 +0100
                                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-10 21:00 +0000
                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 13:19 +0100
                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-20 08:43 -0800
                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-21 15:09 +0000
                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-21 17:25 +0100
                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-21 16:41 +0000
                          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-21 19:15 +0100
                            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-21 18:56 +0000
                              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-21 21:58 +0100
                                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-21 23:03 +0000
                                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-22 10:41 +0100
                              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-22 11:17 -0200
                                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-22 14:23 +0000
                                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-23 03:50 +0100
                                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-23 04:41 +0000
                                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-23 08:55 +0100
                                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-23 14:44 +0000
                                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-23 20:04 +0100
                                          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-23 23:10 +0000
                                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-23 08:44 +0000
                                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-23 03:24 -0800
                                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-23 13:27 -0800
                                        Zulu time (was: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-24 00:44 +0100
                                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-24 01:37 -0200
                                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-24 04:57 +0100
                                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-24 04:10 +0000
                                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-24 10:19 -0200
                                          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-25 08:20 +0100
                                            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-25 10:26 +0000
                                              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-25 14:26 +0000
                                              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-26 15:42 +1100
                                                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-26 11:19 +0100
                                                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-27 07:16 +1100
                                                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-26 23:22 +0100
                                                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-27 10:33 +1100
                                                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-27 11:30 +0100
                                                          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-28 07:38 +1100
                                                            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-27 23:47 +0100
                                                              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-28 10:07 +1100
                                                                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-28 01:14 +0000
                                                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-28 05:25 +0100
                                                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-28 16:07 +1100
                                                    [OT] Fallacies (was: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-28 07:18 +0100
                                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-24 13:51 +0000
                                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-24 17:13 -0200
                          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-23 03:00 -0800
                            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-23 14:14 +0000
                              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-23 15:44 +0100
                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-23 04:24 -0800
                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-23 14:29 +0000
    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-23 03:19 -0800
    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-25 13:33 -0800

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#34623

From"Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
Date2018-01-21 21:58 +0100
Message-ID<XnsA871DF7552357eejj99@194.109.6.166>
In reply to#34622
Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote on 21 Jan 2018 in 
comp.lang.javascript:

> On 2018-01-21, Evertjan  wrote:
>> Jon Ribbens wrote on 21 Jan 2018 
>>> Ok, I'll meet you in Trafalgar Square on 1st June at at 3pm (GMT).
>>> At what time in UTC do you think I am saying I will be there?
>>
>> 1500Z, 
>> as you are stating a time in GMT, not a time-zone,
>> and a region [Trafalgar Square].
> 
> No, sorry, I meant "GMT the time zone"

Yes, you should be sorry, Jon.

What you mistakenly ment does not count, 
because by GMT you could also mistakenly have ment 
Waktu Indonesia Barat or Pacific Summer Time.

> so I'll be there at 1400Z

At your peril, because I take my own time
feeding the birds [or the trolls] of a region. 

This Wednesday around 15:00 EST,
after exiting the American Museum of Natural History,
where I viewed "Dark Universe", spoken by Neil deGrasse Tyson,
in it's Hayden Planetarium <https://vimeo.com/83791897>,
I was in Central Park feeding the black and the gray squirrels. 

> and you'll miss me and won't get the €50 I was surely going to give
> you.

You should not resort to bribes to prove your point.

btw, .toLocaleTimeString() should be unnecesary, as, 
according to Albert Einstein, time is necessarily a local phenomenon.


-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#34624

FromJon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu>
Date2018-01-21 23:03 +0000
Message-ID<slrnp6a71f.p2i.jon+usenet@sable.unequivocal.eu>
In reply to#34623
On 2018-01-21, Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:
> Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote on 21 Jan 2018 in 
> comp.lang.javascript:
>> On 2018-01-21, Evertjan  wrote:
>>> Jon Ribbens wrote on 21 Jan 2018 
>>>> Ok, I'll meet you in Trafalgar Square on 1st June at at 3pm (GMT).
>>>> At what time in UTC do you think I am saying I will be there?
>>>
>>> 1500Z, 
>>> as you are stating a time in GMT, not a time-zone,
>>> and a region [Trafalgar Square].
>> 
>> No, sorry, I meant "GMT the time zone"
>
> Yes, you should be sorry, Jon.
>
> What you mistakenly ment does not count, 
> because by GMT you could also mistakenly have ment 
> Waktu Indonesia Barat or Pacific Summer Time.

I apologise profusely for treating you as if you were a rational
person who might have a reasonable point to make. I shall attempt
not to make that mistake again.

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#34627

From"Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
Date2018-01-22 10:41 +0100
Message-ID<XnsA8726CBC6D2eejj99@194.109.6.166>
In reply to#34624
Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote on 22 Jan 2018 in 
comp.lang.javascript:

> On 2018-01-21, Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:
>> Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote on 21 Jan 2018 in 
>> comp.lang.javascript:
>>> On 2018-01-21, Evertjan  wrote:
>>>> Jon Ribbens wrote on 21 Jan 2018 
>>>>> Ok, I'll meet you in Trafalgar Square on 1st June at at 3pm (GMT).
>>>>> At what time in UTC do you think I am saying I will be there?
>>>>
>>>> 1500Z, 
>>>> as you are stating a time in GMT, not a time-zone,
>>>> and a region [Trafalgar Square].
>>> 
>>> No, sorry, I meant "GMT the time zone"
>>
>> Yes, you should be sorry, Jon.
>>
>> What you mistakenly ment does not count, 
>> because by GMT you could also mistakenly have ment 
>> Waktu Indonesia Barat or Pacific Summer Time.
> 
> I apologise profusely for treating you as if you were a rational
> person who might have a reasonable point to make. I shall attempt
> not to make that mistake again.

If you define "reasonable" as agreeing with you,
instead of reasoning as discussing the arguments,
where both sides might learn something,
then you are right.

However you seem to prefer the ad-hominem falacy.

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#34630

FromJoao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com>
Date2018-01-22 11:17 -0200
Message-ID<p44o8a$1qps$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#34622
On 21/01/2018 16:56, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2018-01-21, Evertjan wrote:
>> Jon Ribbens wrote on 21 Jan 2018 in
>> comp.lang.javascript:
>>> Ok, I'll meet you in Trafalgar Square on 1st June at at 3pm (GMT).
>>> At what time in UTC do you think I am saying I will be there?
>>
>> 1500Z,
>> as you are stating a time in GMT, not a time-zone,
>> and a region [Trafalgar Square].
> 

Armed Forces, aviation and maritime companies around the globe use the 
NATO Letter Timezones, being "Z" (Zulu time or Zero meridian time) the 
same as UTC+0 [1].

So if you say 1500Z, it means 3pm in UTC+0.

> No, sorry, I meant "GMT the time zone", so I'll be there at 1400Z

Then, 1400Z is correct as London will be observing BST on Fri, 1 Jun 
2018, I mean if Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un don't press their nuclear 
buttons before that. Therefore, 3pm in London will be 1400Z (UTC) + 1.

[1] <http://www.world-timezone.com/military-nato-letter-timezones/>

-- 
Joao Rodrigues

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#34631

From"Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz>
Date2018-01-22 14:23 +0000
Message-ID<p44s5v$2jk$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#34630
Joao Rodrigues wrote:

> I mean if Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un don't press their
> nuclear buttons before that

<shaking head>

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#34633

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-01-23 03:50 +0100
Message-ID<17050329.jDpi8q7seK@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#34630
Joao Rodrigues wrote:

> On 21/01/2018 16:56, Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> On 2018-01-21, Evertjan wrote:
>>> Jon Ribbens wrote on 21 Jan 2018 in
>>> comp.lang.javascript:
>>>> Ok, I'll meet you in Trafalgar Square on 1st June at at 3pm (GMT).
>>>> At what time in UTC do you think I am saying I will be there?
>>> 1500Z,
>>> as you are stating a time in GMT, not a time-zone,
>>> and a region [Trafalgar Square].
> 
> Armed Forces, aviation and maritime companies around the globe use the
> NATO Letter Timezones, being "Z" (Zulu time or Zero meridian time) the
> same as UTC+0 [1].
> 
> So if you say 1500Z, it means 3pm in UTC+0.
> 
> […]
> [1] <http://www.world-timezone.com/military-nato-letter-timezones/>

The Web site you are citing contains dubious information in at least two 
respects.

First, as we have discussed earlier, GMT is _not_ a timezone, but a standard 
time.  This also applies to other standard times listed as “time zones”.

Second, although “Zulu” is probably related to the NATO Alphabet, because it 
is that alphabet’s word for spelling the letter “Z”, it could be 
coincidental that it is also the time at the “zero meridian”.  The military 
time zones are labeled eastwards with letters, starting with UTC+1 to 
receive the letter “A”, which makes the last timezone in that order to be 
UTC+0 and to receive the letter “Z” (it is claimed that “J” has been 
intentionally omitted for various reasons).  The Web site gives the 
impression that this is not so, which may well be wishful thinking.

See also: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_time_zones>

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#34634

From"Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz>
Date2018-01-23 04:41 +0000
Message-ID<p46ed2$gk5$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#34633
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> First, as we have discussed earlier, GMT is not a timezone, but a
> standard time.  This also applies to other standard times listed as
> “time zones”.

Many others disagree. 

> See also: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_time_zones>

Back to wikipedia as a source. HA

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#34636

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-01-23 08:55 +0100
Message-ID<2467376.SovejRVYXf@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#34634
Mark- wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: 
>> First, as we have discussed earlier, GMT is not a timezone, but a
>> standard time.  This also applies to other standard times listed as
>> “time zones”.
> 
> Many others disagree.

  “Even if all the experts agree, they may well be mistaken.”

    —Bertrand Russell, philosopher (1872–1970)
 
>> See also: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_time_zones>
> 
> Back to wikipedia as a source. HA

Still trolling, I see.

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#34650

From"Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz>
Date2018-01-23 14:44 +0000
Message-ID<p47hnr$8cu$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#34636
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:


>   “Even if all the experts agree, they may well be mistaken.”
> 
>     —Bertrand Russell, philosopher (1872–1970)
>  

And that includes YOU.

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#34651

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-01-23 20:04 +0100
Message-ID<2520350.nyKOFc2pLa@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#34650
Mark- wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>   “Even if all the experts agree, they may well be mistaken.”
>> 
>>     —Bertrand Russell, philosopher (1872–1970)
> 
> And that includes YOU.

I will read you again when you meet the minimum standards of a constructive 
Usenet discussion:

  - a real name
  - a proper From address (see RFC 5536)
  - a sound argument

Have a nice rest of life.  *PLONK*

F’up2 poster

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#34653

From"Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz>
Date2018-01-23 23:10 +0000
Message-ID<p48fcb$1rje$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#34651
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Have a nice rest of life.  PLONK

Sorry you had to grab your toy and run home.

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#34637

FromJohn G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid>
Date2018-01-23 08:44 +0000
Message-ID<octd6d11b0dph7lqekosih5u4pgd6quef9@4ax.com>
In reply to#34634
On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 04:41:06 +0000 (UTC), "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz>
wrote:

>Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>
>> First, as we have discussed earlier, GMT is not a timezone, but a
>> standard time.  This also applies to other standard times listed as
>> “time zones”.
>
>Many others disagree. 
  <snip>

Greenwich Mean Time is a time, though not a very reliable one.

"GMT" is a nickname for a time zone, but a rather confusing one.

  John

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#34641

FromDr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org>
Date2018-01-23 03:24 -0800
Message-ID<8ff98216-5cc4-4467-b463-9716d409aac2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#34634
On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 4:41:15 AM UTC, Mark- wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

 
> > See also: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_time_zones>
> 
> Back to wikipedia as a source. HA

See also https://militarybenefits.info/military-time/

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#34652

From"Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com>
Date2018-01-23 13:27 -0800
Message-ID<54385da8-d5f1-4d1a-a41b-d6a03bb62b86@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#34641
Dr J R Stockton wrote:
> Mark- wrote:
> > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>  
> > > See also: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_time_zones>
> > 
> > Back to wikipedia as a source. HA
> 
> See also https://militarybenefits.info/military-time/

Good list, but the official organization is: 

<http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/index.php>

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#34654 — Zulu time (was: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale)

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-01-24 00:44 +0100
SubjectZulu time (was: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale)
Message-ID<1847687.1zt1OhEWtN@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#34652
Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:

> Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>> Mark- wrote:
>> > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> > > See also: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_time_zones>
>> > Back to wikipedia as a source. HA
>> See also https://militarybenefits.info/military-time/
> 
> Good list, but the official organization is:
> 
> <http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/index.php>

404-compliant, but 

<http://web.archive.org/web/20170719085934/aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/index.php> 

is available.

<http://web.archive.org/web/20170710163521/http://aa.usno.navy.mil/graphics/TimeZoneMap2016.png>

is most interesting because it makes obvious what I 
misinterpreted/overlooked in the Wikipedia article before: The military time 
zones starting from “N” are labeled *westwards* from the Greenwich meridian 
rather than continuing the labeling that started eastwards with “A”.  This 
supports the argument that time zone “Z” was labeled so intentionally 
instead.

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#34655

FromJoao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com>
Date2018-01-24 01:37 -0200
Message-ID<p48v1p$e66$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#34633
On 23/01/2018 00:50, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Joao Rodrigues wrote:
> 
>> On 21/01/2018 16:56, Jon Ribbens wrote:
>>> On 2018-01-21, Evertjan wrote:
>>>> Jon Ribbens wrote on 21 Jan 2018 in
>>>> comp.lang.javascript:
>>>>> Ok, I'll meet you in Trafalgar Square on 1st June at at 3pm (GMT).
>>>>> At what time in UTC do you think I am saying I will be there?
>>>> 1500Z,
>>>> as you are stating a time in GMT, not a time-zone,
>>>> and a region [Trafalgar Square].
>>
>> Armed Forces, aviation and maritime companies around the globe use the
>> NATO Letter Timezones, being "Z" (Zulu time or Zero meridian time) the
>> same as UTC+0 [1].
>>
>> So if you say 1500Z, it means 3pm in UTC+0.
>>
>> […]
>> [1] <http://www.world-timezone.com/military-nato-letter-timezones/>
> 
> The Web site you are citing contains dubious information in at least two
> respects.

Independently of the problems regarding that site, Military time zones 
are very easy to understand, and their usage is wide-spread in the civil 
aviation and maritime transport.

> 
> First, as we have discussed earlier, GMT is _not_ a timezone, but a standard
> time.  This also applies to other standard times listed as “time zones”.

No doubt about that.

> 
> Second, although “Zulu” is probably related to the NATO Alphabet, because it
> is that alphabet’s word for spelling the letter “Z”, it could be
> coincidental that it is also the time at the “zero meridian”.

Letter "Z" was picked because of the "Zero Meridian" (0º longitude), 
also called the Prime Meridian, that supposedly crosses the Royal 
Observatory, a beautiful museum nowadays in Greenwich, London, UK. BTW, 
visitors love to take the classic photo with one foot on each side of 
the imaginary line, but the Prime Meridian doesn't actually pass through 
the stainless steel mark on the ground on which visitors stand to strike 
a pose. It's easy to check with a GPS equipment that the zero meridian 
is some metres away from that mark on the ground.

As someone who served in the Navy for many, many years, I can tell you 
that all Navy communications are based on the "Z" time zone, specially 
because joint military exercises with other countries, and because my 
country has 4 time zones (O, P, Q and R) and not all States follow the 
DST from Oct thru Feb.

> The military
> time zones are labeled eastwards with letters, starting with UTC+1 to
> receive the letter “A”, which makes the last timezone in that order to be
> UTC+0 and to receive the letter “Z” (it is claimed that “J” has been
> intentionally omitted for various reasons).

I've never seen "J" being used before in naval communications. I think 
military tend to use "Z" or their own local time zone letter when 
dealing with other organizations within the same area.


-- 
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#34656

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-01-24 04:57 +0100
Message-ID<1527486.8NOprLTe3T@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#34655
Joao Rodrigues wrote:

> On 23/01/2018 00:50, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Second, although “Zulu” is probably related to the NATO Alphabet, because
>> it is that alphabet’s word for spelling the letter “Z”, it could be
>> coincidental that it is also the time at the “zero meridian”.
> 
> Letter "Z" was picked because of the "Zero Meridian" (0º longitude),

Cite evidence.

> also called the Prime Meridian, that supposedly crosses the Royal
> Observatory,

But it does not, which was found out later.

> a beautiful museum nowadays in Greenwich, London, UK.

Yes, I have been there.

> [pointless rant]

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#34657

From"Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz>
Date2018-01-24 04:10 +0000
Message-ID<p49102$g7n$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#34656
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> > [pointless rant]

Such a nice congenial fellow.

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#34658

FromJoao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com>
Date2018-01-24 10:19 -0200
Message-ID<p49tl7$1t1n$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#34657
Em 24/01/2018 02:10, Mark- escreveu:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> 
>>> [pointless rant]
> 
> Such a nice congenial fellow.
> 

Indeed. And I wouldn't bother to shout "Man overboard!" if I saw him 
falling off of my ship. :-D

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#34662

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-01-25 08:20 +0100
Message-ID<4855415.HNLM0fyIXE@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#34658
Joao Rodrigues wrote:

> Em 24/01/2018 02:10, Mark- escreveu:
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> [pointless rant]
>> Such a nice congenial fellow.
> 
> Indeed. And I wouldn't bother to shout "Man overboard!" if I saw him
> falling off of my ship. :-D

IOW: You have no evidence, so you believe you have to resort to /ad hominem/ 
attacks and other fallacies to “save face”.  And feeding the latest troll.

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