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FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "FAQ server" <javascript@dotinternet.be> - 2012-11-03 00:00 +0000
Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-11-05 09:45 +0100
Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-11-05 10:52 +0200
Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-11-05 06:08 -0800
Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2012-11-14 22:28 -0200
Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-11-15 11:50 +0000
Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2012-11-15 16:00 -0200
Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-11-16 10:44 +0000
Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "Joao Rodrigues (J.R.)" <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2012-11-16 14:08 -0200
Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-11-17 10:02 +0000
Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2012-11-17 14:01 -0200
Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) Dr J R Stockton <reply1246@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-16 20:24 +0000
Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-11-17 02:16 -0800
Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2012-11-17 12:48 -0200
Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) Dr J R Stockton <reply1246@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-18 19:20 +0000
| From | "FAQ server" <javascript@dotinternet.be> |
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| Date | 2012-11-03 00:00 +0000 |
| Subject | FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) |
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Most javascript books have been found to contain so many technical
errors that consensus recommendations have not emerged from the group.
The following books have been considered to have value by some
individuals on c.l.js. The reviews of these books are provided:
* _"JavaScript: The Definitive Guide,"_ 5th Edition, by David Flanagan
* Published: 2006-08
* Pages: 1018
* http://jibbering.com/faq/Errata: <URL: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596101992/errata/>
* Discussed in:
*
FAQ Update 9.85 Dated 2007-08-31 [ref 1]
*
_"JavaScript, The Good Parts,"_ 1st Edition, by Douglas Crockford
* Published: 2008-05
* Pages: 170
* http://jibbering.com/faq/Errata: <URL: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596517748/errata/>
* Discussed in:
*
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/d084d2109f7b4ec7#
*
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/db1e49ab113aa05c/3987eac87ad27966#3987eac87ad27966
*
FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2008-12-02) [ref 2]
*
Augmenting functions [ref 3]
*
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/bf26be6e63494ee2/acb733a1c35f6ce5#ee9e4ee29e658d5d
*
Closures Explained [ref 4]
*
Javascript library development [ref 5]
References:
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[1] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/7283898f77fd2a66/9252aa024e058dea#c5f145ae807c918e
[2] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/6a41f7835ee728de/da5ccfc65e2df64a#da5ccfc65e2df64a
[3] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/3a08fb741525ab6d/
[4] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/df602506ee48b400/e65e00f5cad07676#e65e00f5cad07676
[5] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/acadf1b22b219433/4f69a95607d0b3ae#4f69a95607d0b3ae
The complete comp.lang.javascript FAQ is at
http://jibbering.com/faq/
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| From | "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> |
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| Date | 2012-11-05 09:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <afpcl9F888dU1@mid.uni-berlin.de> |
| In reply to | #17025 |
Am 03.11.2012 01:00, schrieb FAQ server: > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Most javascript books have been found to contain so many technical > errors that consensus recommendations have not emerged from the group. > > The following books have been considered to have value by some > individuals on c.l.js. The reviews of these books are provided: > > * _"JavaScript: The Definitive Guide,"_ 5th Edition, by David Flanagan > > * Published: 2006-08 Is this just outdated data, or is the 5th edition better than the 6th? /Str.
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| From | "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> |
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| Date | 2012-11-05 10:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <k77uoq$p7l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17040 |
2012-11-05 10:45, M. Strobel wrote: >> * _"JavaScript: The Definitive Guide,"_ 5th Edition, by David Flanagan >> >> * Published: 2006-08 > > Is this just outdated data, or is the 5th edition better than the 6th? It's outdated. The FAQ http://jibbering.com/faq/ hasn't been updated for over two years, since 2010-10-08. -- Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
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| From | Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-11-05 06:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ce092ae9-80b5-408a-a9d6-b776dbf8b074@l18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #17041 |
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: > It's outdated. The FAQhttp://jibbering.com/faq/hasn't been updated for > over two years, since 2010-10-08. The c.l.js FAQ needs new maintainer. Garrett has stop maintaining the FAQ since 2010. Someone have to start maintaining it. There were proposals for wiki pages, but seems nobody realize that idea.
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| From | "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> |
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| Date | 2012-11-14 22:28 -0200 |
| Message-ID | <k81cvr$p7m$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #17025 |
On 02/11/2012 22:00, FAQ server wrote: > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Most javascript books have been found to contain so many technical > errors that consensus recommendations have not emerged from the group. > > The following books have been considered to have value by some > individuals on c.l.js. The reviews of these books are provided: > > * _"JavaScript: The Definitive Guide,"_ 5th Edition, by David Flanagan > <snip> > _"JavaScript, The Good Parts,"_ 1st Edition, by Douglas Crockford This one seems to be a good book: http://effectivejs.com/ -- Joao Rodrigues (J.R.)
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| From | John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-11-15 11:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <xfYAn1BxbNpQFwFV@J.A830F0FF37FB96852AD08924D9443D28E23ED5CD> |
| In reply to | #17252 |
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 at 22:28:49, in comp.lang.javascript, J.R. wrote: >On 02/11/2012 22:00, FAQ server wrote: >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Most javascript books have been found to contain so many technical >> errors that consensus recommendations have not emerged from the group. >> >> The following books have been considered to have value by some >> individuals on c.l.js. The reviews of these books are provided: >> >> * _"JavaScript: The Definitive Guide,"_ 5th Edition, by David Flanagan >> > ><snip> > > >> _"JavaScript, The Good Parts,"_ 1st Edition, by Douglas Crockford > >This one seems to be a good book: >http://effectivejs.com/ The author is said to be on the ECMA committee that standardises JavaScript (sic). I wonder which standard that is ? John -- John Harris
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| From | "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> |
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| Date | 2012-11-15 16:00 -0200 |
| Message-ID | <k83aj8$9q9$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #17255 |
On 15/11/2012 09:50, John G Harris wrote: > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 at 22:28:49, in comp.lang.javascript, J.R. wrote: <snip> >> This one seems to be a good book: >> http://effectivejs.com/ > > The author is said to be on the ECMA committee that standardises > JavaScript (sic). I wonder which standard that is ? > Yes, I know it sounds weird for a introduction, but I think the book's author (David Herman) just wants to draw attention to this book using a colloquial style. Even the ECMA TC39 page states that "ECMAScript™ is more commonly known by the name JavaScript™ [...]". and "The ECMAScript™ specification has been developed by Ecma TC39 whose membership includes all major browser vendors." See <http://www.ecma-international.org/memento/TC39-M.htm> Therefore, in a sense, we might say that the Ecma TC39 committee is responsible for the standardization of "JavaScript". -- Joao Rodrigues (J.R.)
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| From | John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-11-16 10:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <eEwO44BkkhpQFwg4@J.A830F0FF37FB96852AD08924D9443D28E23ED5CD> |
| In reply to | #17261 |
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 at 16:00:17, in comp.lang.javascript, J.R. wrote: >On 15/11/2012 09:50, John G Harris wrote: >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 at 22:28:49, in comp.lang.javascript, J.R. wrote: > ><snip> > >>> This one seems to be a good book: >>> http://effectivejs.com/ >> >> The author is said to be on the ECMA committee that standardises >> JavaScript (sic). I wonder which standard that is ? >> > >Yes, I know it sounds weird for a introduction, but I think the book's >author (David Herman) just wants to draw attention to this book using a >colloquial style. > >Even the ECMA TC39 page states that "ECMAScript™ is more commonly known >by the name JavaScript™ [...]". <snip> Strange. It puts a Trade Mark symbol after the name JavaScript in a sentence the uses the word as though it's a generic name that has lost it's Trade Mark status. John -- John Harris
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| From | "Joao Rodrigues (J.R.)" <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> |
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| Date | 2012-11-16 14:08 -0200 |
| Message-ID | <k85oe4$c3q$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #17265 |
Em 16/11/2012 08:44, John G Harris escreveu: > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 at 16:00:17, in comp.lang.javascript, J.R. wrote: >> On 15/11/2012 09:50, John G Harris wrote: >>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 at 22:28:49, in comp.lang.javascript, J.R. wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >>>> This one seems to be a good book: >>>> http://effectivejs.com/ >>> >>> The author is said to be on the ECMA committee that standardises >>> JavaScript (sic). I wonder which standard that is ? >>> >> >> Yes, I know it sounds weird for a introduction, but I think the book's >> author (David Herman) just wants to draw attention to this book using a >> colloquial style. >> >> Even the ECMA TC39 page states that "ECMAScript™ is more commonly known >> by the name JavaScript™ [...]". > <snip> > > Strange. It puts a Trade Mark symbol after the name JavaScript in a > sentence the uses the word as though it's a generic name that has lost > it's Trade Mark status. I think that "JavaScript" is nowadays a trademark of Oracle Corporation (formerly was a trademark of Sun, formerly a trademark of Netscape). Trademarks are not like copyright or patents, and I think there is no legal problem using the word "JavaScript", otherwise Mozilla, Google and even Microsoft would ban the word from their websites / applications docs. <http://www.lawmart.com/forms/difference.htm> -- Joao Rodrigues (J.R)
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| From | John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-11-17 10:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ZtniBsErC2pQFwST@J.A830F0FF37FB96852AD08924D9443D28E23ED5CD> |
| In reply to | #17266 |
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 at 14:08:44, in comp.lang.javascript, Joao Rodrigues (J.R.) wrote: <snip> >I think that "JavaScript" is nowadays a trademark of Oracle Corporation >(formerly was a trademark of Sun, formerly a trademark of Netscape). > >Trademarks are not like copyright or patents, and I think there is no >legal problem using the word "JavaScript", otherwise Mozilla, Google >and even Microsoft would ban the word from their websites / >applications docs. > ><http://www.lawmart.com/forms/difference.htm> Microsoft's web site says "JavaScript - Internet Explorer 10 ... This documentation describes the Microsoft implementation of JavaScript" in <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d1et7k7c.aspx> so it's selling a Microsoft product named 'JavaScript'. I think this indicates, though IANAL, one of the following : 1. Microsoft uses the Mozilla code in IE (very unlikely). 2. Microsoft pays money to the Trade Mark owner (unlikely; MS doesn't believe in giving money to competitors if it can avoid it). 3. Microsoft acts as though the word has lost its Trade Mark status (and MS has the expensive lawyers needed to resist any complaint). If number 3 turns out to be the case then Thomas Lahn will have to start shouting " 'The' JavaScript language does not exist" every few days. John -- John Harris
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| From | "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> |
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| Date | 2012-11-17 14:01 -0200 |
| Message-ID | <k88cbu$mc3$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #17275 |
On 17/11/2012 08:02, John G Harris wrote: > On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 at 14:08:44, in comp.lang.javascript, Joao Rodrigues > (J.R.) wrote: > > <snip> >> I think that "JavaScript" is nowadays a trademark of Oracle Corporation >> (formerly was a trademark of Sun, formerly a trademark of Netscape). >> >> Trademarks are not like copyright or patents, and I think there is no >> legal problem using the word "JavaScript", otherwise Mozilla, Google >> and even Microsoft would ban the word from their websites / >> applications docs. >> >> <http://www.lawmart.com/forms/difference.htm> > > Microsoft's web site says > "JavaScript - Internet Explorer 10 ... This documentation describes the > Microsoft implementation of JavaScript" in > <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d1et7k7c.aspx> > so it's selling a Microsoft product named 'JavaScript'. This page is about "the Microsoft implementation of JavaScript, which is compliant with the ECMAScript Language Specification 5th Edition. It also provides additional features that are not included in the ECMA Standards". So they are not selling a M$ product. > I think this indicates, though IANAL, one of the following : > 1. Microsoft uses the Mozilla code in IE (very unlikely). > 2. Microsoft pays money to the Trade Mark owner (unlikely; MS doesn't > believe in giving money to competitors if it can avoid it). > 3. Microsoft acts as though the word has lost its Trade Mark status (and > MS has the expensive lawyers needed to resist any complaint). > > If number 3 turns out to be the case then Thomas Lahn will have to start > shouting " 'The' JavaScript language does not exist" every few days. Thomas is the "Sheldon Cooper" of c.l.js. :-) I appreciate his comments though. -- Joao Rodrigues (J.R.)
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| From | Dr J R Stockton <reply1246@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-11-16 20:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d4thVpMiDqpQFwzJ@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid> |
| In reply to | #17252 |
In comp.lang.javascript message <k81cvr$p7m$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:28:49, J.R. <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> posted: >This one seems to be a good book: >http://effectivejs.com/ There can be no such thing as a "good book for JavaScript" recommendation. Some programmers need the "Dummies" style, as they will not understand anything more grown-up. Some will want only a collection of examples. Some will like the Flanagan style. Some will want something which follows ECMA 262 fairly closely, but expands everything with sufficient discussion. One will want just raw ECMA. Anyone recommending a book should also describe it. -- (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK. Mail via homepage. Turnpike v6.05 MIME. Web <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQqish topics, acronyms and links; Astro stuff via astron-1.htm, gravity0.htm ; quotings.htm, pascal.htm, etc. No Encoding. Quotes before replies. Snip well. Write clearly. Don't Mail News.
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| From | Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-11-17 02:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b2858999-6fe6-4f9f-beb1-7b515fa4d02e@f17g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #17270 |
Dr J R Stockton wrote: > Anyone recommending a book should also describe it. The recommended book is not available on the market, yet. It is going to be in the end of November. The author has strong background with the language itself and in researching area. He knows really well how the things work internally, what is optimized and what not. That supposes the book would be great for advanced developers.
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| From | "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> |
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| Date | 2012-11-17 12:48 -0200 |
| Message-ID | <k88836$bgm$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #17276 |
On 17/11/2012 08:16, Asen Bozhilov wrote: > Dr J R Stockton wrote: > >> Anyone recommending a book should also describe it. > > The recommended book is not available on the market, yet. It is going > to be in the end of November. > The author has strong background with the language itself and in > researching area. He knows really well how the things work internally, > what is optimized and what not. That supposes the book would be great > for advanced developers. > Asen, you have just captioned my thoughts :-) Thanks! I follow David Herman on Twitter and that (what you wrote) was exactly what I had in my mind when I read about this book. -- Joao Rodrigues (J.R.)
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| From | Dr J R Stockton <reply1246@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-11-18 19:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mgVvTbKMUTqQFwc2@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid> |
| In reply to | #17276 |
In comp.lang.javascript message <b2858999-6fe6-4f9f-beb1-7b515fa4d02e@f1
7g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Sat, 17 Nov 2012 02:16:39, Asen Bozhilov
<asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> posted:
>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>
>> Anyone recommending a book should also describe it.
>
>The recommended book is not available on the market, yet. It is going
>to be in the end of November.
>The author has strong background with the language itself and in
>researching area. He knows really well how the things work internally,
>what is optimized and what not. That supposes the book would be great
>for advanced developers.
The URL given appears to link to what is no more than a puff written by
author, publisher, or associates.
Even for advanced developers, it is highly desirable also that the
author should be able to communicate effectively in writing; and that
can only be properly judged by real readers.
Looking at Amazon : I wish O'Reilly would name
their animals, birds, etc., on the FRONT covers.
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