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| Started by | Groo Vee <groovee@cyberdude.com> |
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| First post | 2020-08-12 19:37 -0700 |
| Last post | 2020-08-13 10:25 -0700 |
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The end of programming Groo Vee <groovee@cyberdude.com> - 2020-08-12 19:37 -0700
Re: The end of programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2020-08-13 08:54 +0100
Re: The end of programming Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-08-13 13:06 +0200
Re: The end of programming Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-08-13 14:58 +0200
Re: The end of programming "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2020-08-13 10:25 -0700
| From | Groo Vee <groovee@cyberdude.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-12 19:37 -0700 |
| Subject | The end of programming |
| Message-ID | <eebc5ca2-1271-438f-b765-50793fa0a5edn@googlegroups.com> |
Read this: https://techxplore.com/news/2020-08-verge.html https://www.infoq.com/articles/gpt3-enabled-applications/ ...maybe we're on the verge of Deep Trouble, all of us??
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| From | John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 08:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <4as9jf1glou1njfmj3729sgeq0if94ceaa@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #38720 |
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 19:37:07 -0700 (PDT), Groo Vee <groovee@cyberdude.com> wrote: >Read this: > >https://techxplore.com/news/2020-08-verge.html > >https://www.infoq.com/articles/gpt3-enabled-applications/ > > >...maybe we're on the verge of Deep Trouble, all of us?? Millions of not-very-good programmers have already done that. Think of any large-scale government project. John
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 13:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <hpkl6bFbcvfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #38720 |
Groo Vee: > Read this: > > https://techxplore.com/news/2020-08-verge.html > > https://www.infoq.com/articles/gpt3-enabled-applications/ > > > ...maybe we're on the verge of Deep Trouble, all of us?? And how creates the programs which run the AI? -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 14:58 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <hpkrnuFcp8nU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #38722 |
Arno Welzel: > Groo Vee: > >> Read this: >> >> https://techxplore.com/news/2020-08-verge.html >> >> https://www.infoq.com/articles/gpt3-enabled-applications/ >> >> >> ...maybe we're on the verge of Deep Trouble, all of us?? > > And how creates the programs which run the AI? Arg... And *who* creates the programs which run the AI? -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 10:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a68d18c7-f266-479b-b702-3c8afc591212o@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #38720 |
On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 9:37:13 PM UTC-5, Groo Vee wrote: > Read this: > > https://techxplore.com/news/2020-08-verge.html > > https://www.infoq.com/articles/gpt3-enabled-applications/ > > > ...maybe we're on the verge of Deep Trouble, all of us?? People have been saying this since the 80s if not earlier. Ever heard of Fifth-Generation Programming Languages? [1] The problem discovered in the 80s is the same problem that will be rediscovered here: The challenge is not programming it's Requirements engineering. Much of the crap written today could have been replaced with drag and drop. We've had such systems forever as well. In the 90s Visual Basic 5 had the form designer to drag and drop interfaces for example. This may help "Power Users" be a thing again and replace mediocre programmers but for more interesting and challenging problems? I don't see it. It's one thing for you to ask the system to do this: <https://twitter.com/sharifshameem/status/1282676454690451457> Give me "a table of the richest countries of the world with the columns name and gdp" And it's an entirely different thing for me to say: "Give me a program that calculates prime numbers in reverse" You will learn quickly that this will be like the Monkey's Paw[3] that could interpret your wishes in the worst possible way. You'll end up writing your wishes so precise that you'd basically be programming. Then you'll wish for a more constrained programming language with domain specific syntax to eliminate the extraneous. To quote Alan Perlis: "Within a computer natural language is unnatural." [1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth-generation_programming_language> [2] Spiritually a resurrected ALICE system with cloud computing. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Linguistic_Internet_Computer_Entity> [3] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey%27s_Paw>
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