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| First post | 2019-07-20 12:10 -0700 |
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Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-07-20 12:10 -0700
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-07-21 04:24 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-07-21 10:40 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> - 2019-07-21 13:52 -0600
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-07-22 19:09 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-07-23 16:36 -0700
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-07-24 11:02 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-07-24 18:35 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-07-24 18:45 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-07-25 03:01 -0700
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-07-25 18:41 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-07-25 14:58 -0700
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-07-28 15:36 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-07-29 15:08 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-07-30 11:46 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-07-30 19:22 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-07-31 11:23 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-07-31 19:06 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2019-08-01 17:18 +1000
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2019-08-01 10:03 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2019-08-01 19:09 +1000
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2019-08-01 13:12 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2019-08-01 22:41 +1000
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2019-08-01 16:38 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-08-06 11:57 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-08-06 19:17 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-08-08 21:45 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-08-09 10:23 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-08-09 11:56 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-08-10 11:05 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-08-10 14:41 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-08-10 18:15 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-08-11 04:09 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-08-11 11:05 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-11 05:41 -0700
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-08-11 17:48 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-08-11 19:01 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-08-12 10:44 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-08-12 18:56 +0100
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-08-13 15:02 +0200
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-13 08:55 -0700
Re: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-08-13 20:04 +0200
FAQ (was: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options?) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-25 19:47 +0200
Re: FAQ (was: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options?) dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-25 13:51 -0700
Re: FAQ (was: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options?) Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2019-08-26 13:35 +0200
Re: FAQ (was: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options?) dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-27 04:57 -0700
Re: FAQ (was: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options?) Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2019-08-28 19:27 +0200
Re: FAQ (was: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options?) dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-28 12:51 -0700
Re: FAQ (was: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options?) Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2019-08-31 11:53 +0200
Re: FAQ Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-08-28 23:59 +0200
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| From | "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-13 08:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <150d6095-121c-433f-9b21-85533e33f33d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #37113 |
Arno Welzel wrote: > However - URLs should not become invalid or disappear anyway: > > <https://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI> > > So if Thomas Lahn mentions <http://pointedears.de/faq> as the URL of the > FAQ for comp.lang.javascript, this URL should not change. > > If Thomas Lahn ever decides not to maintain his FAQ any longer I'm sure > he will either set up a redirection to the new location or add an > appropriate note about this in the existing document. > > It would also be a good idea, if <http://jibbering.com/faq/> would > contain a pointer to <http://pointedears.de/faq>. I just sent an e-mail > to Garret - maybe he will add this to his FAQ. Please don't linger on this topic, it's tiring and the history is long. Thomas is indeed the groups elected maintainer of the FAQ. The FAQ is located at: <http://pointedears.de/scripts/faq/cljs/> Drama caused Garret to give it up as he wanted to be paid by people to maintain it. So don't bother reaching it out. Some history: <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.lang.javascript/fW-DZEEV4zQ/TweAaFpkEEAJ> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.javascript/_2dDNDRlZO8/oMu3_LQFvn0J> I think the reality is that no one really cares though. Turning on automated postings again might help.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2019-08-13 20:04 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <grgccuFgt2fU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #37118 |
Michael Haufe (TNO): > Arno Welzel wrote: [...] >> It would also be a good idea, if <http://jibbering.com/faq/> would >> contain a pointer to <http://pointedears.de/faq>. I just sent an e-mail >> to Garret - maybe he will add this to his FAQ. > > Please don't linger on this topic, it's tiring and the history is long. > > Thomas is indeed the groups elected maintainer of the FAQ. > > The FAQ is located at: <http://pointedears.de/scripts/faq/cljs/> > > Drama caused Garret to give it up as he wanted to be paid by people to maintain it. So don't bother reaching it out. > > Some history: > > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.lang.javascript/fW-DZEEV4zQ/TweAaFpkEEAJ> > <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.javascript/_2dDNDRlZO8/oMu3_LQFvn0J> [...] Ok, I wasn't aware of this and I don't expect any reaction from Garret or at least I know how to deal with it, if it is not as polite as expected. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2019-08-25 19:47 +0200 |
| Subject | FAQ (was: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options?) |
| Message-ID | <2131035.ElGaqSPkdT@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #37118 |
Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote: > Arno Welzel wrote: >> However - URLs should not become invalid or disappear anyway: >> >> <https://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI> >> >> So if Thomas Lahn mentions <http://pointedears.de/faq> as the URL of the >> FAQ for comp.lang.javascript, this URL should not change. It is not going to. >> If Thomas Lahn ever decides not to maintain his FAQ any longer I'm sure >> he will either set up a redirection to the new location or add an >> appropriate note about this in the existing document. Correct. >> It would also be a good idea, if <http://jibbering.com/faq/> would >> contain a pointer to <http://pointedears.de/faq>. I just sent an e-mail >> to Garret - maybe he will add this to his FAQ. Thanks. > Please don't linger on this topic, it's tiring and the history is long. > > Thomas is indeed the groups elected maintainer of the FAQ. Although I appreciate the sentiment, there was no election, so it is incorrect to say that I would be an *elected* maintainer. I was merely the only one who volunteered to do it, *and* actually *did* *something* to (enable us to) *improve* the content (certainly not enough, I am well-aware of that; but also I expected more support from folks in doing it). > The FAQ is located at: <http://pointedears.de/scripts/faq/cljs/> It is also located at <http://PointedEars.de/faq> (as Arno Welzel has said correctly) because the latter redirects to the former. The latter is easier to remember and to write in a Usenet signature or Tweet. Please use it. > Drama caused Garret to give it up as he wanted to be paid by people to > maintain it. Really? I was not aware of the payment part. > So don't bother reaching it out. I would still support and appreciate a link or even *a redirection* from the old outdated to the new updated FAQ. > I think the reality is that no one really cares though. JFTR: *I* still care (otherwise I would not have it still online after 4 years). But if I remain the only one, that will probably not be enough. Especially as I am studying again, too. GitHub Pull Requests (PR) *can* be made. And JFTR, they can be made since 4 years ago; one has been made by Christoph M. Becker in 2016 (ironically, to point out that PRs can be made), and *no* additional one have been made by people so far. However, I also recognize the current markup format of the FAQ (which I inherited from Garrett, too) is not conducive to contributions: Fewer people understand XML than, for example, GitHub Markdown, and ISTM that with JSON, CSON, and YML around, XML as a document(ation) format is going the way of the dinosaurs. Off the top of my hat, I would probably support switching to any other markup format from which a table of contents can be generated *automatically* (I remember vaguely, from several years ago, that GitHub Pages could do that with a plugin, but I might be wrong). On the other hand, at the rate at which the FAQ content is changing (0 edits/hour), maybe it is a mistake to worry about the TOC and the automated section numbering at all. Almost everybody appears to be writing their specifications and documentation in (GitHub) Markdown now (me included); for example: <https://github.com/tc39> <https://github.com/airbnb/javascript> <https://github.com/php-fig/fig-standards> And since (contrary to Garrett, IIRC) I have the FAQ sources on GitHub already, I/we can make sure that no original content is lost in the conversion. > Turning on automated postings again might help. ACK. But: The possibility of automated postings might disappear (at first) with the conversion to a less well-structured but easier editable markup format. For example, I would have to write a program that properly extracts random sections from a Markdown document first (probably doable with sed or awk). -- PointedEars FAQ: <http://PointedEars.de/faq> | <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix> <https://github.com/PointedEars> | <http://PointedEars.de/wsvn/> Twitter: @PointedEars2 | Please do not cc me./Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2019-08-25 13:51 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: FAQ (was: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options?) |
| Message-ID | <e87349bc-076a-405d-a6f6-b07debdf2751@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #37153 |
On Sunday, 25 August 2019 18:47:52 UTC+1, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Off the top of my hat, I would probably support switching to > any other markup format from which a table of contents can be generated > *automatically* (I remember vaguely, from several years ago, that GitHub > Pages could do that with a plugin, but I might be wrong). Many years ago, ISTR, I wrote a Borland Pascal 7 program which would read HTML source for a Web page and generate a linking index to the H elements, or something like that. I don't use it now, as (1) it is 16-bit code, (2) I've forgotten its filename. But it should be sufficiently easy to walk the DOM tree of a page as presented andto generate the source code for a page index, which could be written into a DIV element; or written into a TEXTAREA for copy'n'paste, or better. Put that code in an include file (which also provides the TEXTAREA), not provided to all ... If you want to process a page set, then that page set can be walked and processed DOM by DOM. If a programmer can do a text-processing job with pencil, paper, and great tedium, then he should be able to write a program to do it. -- (c) John Stockton, near London, UK. Using Google Groups. | Mail: J.R.""""""""@physics.org - or as Reply-To, if any. |
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| From | Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-26 13:35 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: FAQ (was: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options?) |
| Message-ID | <dng7mehvuv7lc8ks3d31apg4qju1e0i92t@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #37153 |
On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 19:47:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >... Off the top of my hat, I would probably support switching to >any other markup format from which a table of contents can be generated >*automatically* ... I once wrote this: http://michna.com/jstoc.htm That page can also serve as an example of an auto-generated table of contents. Disable Javascript, and the table of contents is no longer there. Works on HTML, perhaps not your favorite markup format. (:-) But any markup format that marks headings in a computer-readable way can be auto-processed into a table of contents. Hans
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| From | dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2019-08-27 04:57 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: FAQ (was: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options?) |
| Message-ID | <afba7564-d5a9-4138-b5f6-2d9db0283206@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #37155 |
On Monday, 26 August 2019 12:35:06 UTC+1, Hans-Georg Michna wrote: > I once wrote this: > > http://michna.com/jstoc.htm I didn't like that filename, until I realised that it did not have a missing 'r'. You ask readers of that page to avoid using your Web site's version of jstoc.js repeatedly, but instead to take a copy to use. You can prevent them using your copy by adding to your code a test of location.href for matching the site's location. They can remove that test, but not from the copy on your site. -- (c) John Stockton, near London, UK. Using Google Groups. | Mail: J.R.""""""""@physics.org - or as Reply-To, if any. |
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| From | Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-28 19:27 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: FAQ (was: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options?) |
| Message-ID | <k4edme13o2b754vfl1h0bfbr6sank8gf46@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #37156 |
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 04:57:27 -0700 (PDT), dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com wrote: >On Monday, 26 August 2019 12:35:06 UTC+1, Hans-Georg Michna wrote: >> I once wrote this: >> >> http://michna.com/jstoc.htm >I didn't like that filename, until I realised that it did not have a missing 'r'. > >You ask readers of that page to avoid using your Web site's version of jstoc.js repeatedly, but instead to take a copy to use. You can prevent them using your copy by adding to your code a test of location.href for matching the site's location. They can remove that test, but not from the copy on your site. What's with the missing r? I have no clue. Good idea to prevent repeated direct reference and downloading, but it was never really important. I have not noticed excessive use, so I don't worry. The file is probably not widely known. Hans
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| From | dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2019-08-28 12:51 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: FAQ (was: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options?) |
| Message-ID | <4cd439db-cd2a-49a6-8753-288af2cb8e65@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #37157 |
On Wednesday, 28 August 2019 18:27:35 UTC+1, Hans-Georg Michna wrote: > On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 04:57:27 -0700 (PDT), JRS wrote: > > >On Monday, 26 August 2019 12:35:06 UTC+1, Hans-Georg Michna wrote: > > >> I once wrote this: > >> > >> http://michna.com/jstoc.htm > > >I didn't like that filename, until I realised that it did not have a missing 'r'. > What's with the missing r? I have no clue. Most people will immediately read "jstoc" as short for "JavaScript Table of Contents", as no doubt you intended. But to me, "jstoc" first looked as being my first initial, followed by the first half of my surname - and I *never* refer to myself using my outer two initials. just as I never put my middle initial between my outer names - see sig (in fixed-pitch font) below ... I use "js-" to begin the filenames of JavaScript pages, with five characters following. -- (c) John Stockton, near London, UK. Using Google Groups. | Mail: J.R.""""""""@physics.org - or as Reply-To, if any. |
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| From | Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-31 11:53 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: FAQ (was: Where can I find a summary table of various reqular expressions options?) |
| Message-ID | <vmgkmep9gldl5qjsme4h9or1hejpm6gp3e@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #37158 |
On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT), dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com wrote: >On Wednesday, 28 August 2019 18:27:35 UTC+1, Hans-Georg Michna wrote: >> On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 04:57:27 -0700 (PDT), > JRS wrote: >> >> >On Monday, 26 August 2019 12:35:06 UTC+1, Hans-Georg Michna wrote: >> >> >> I once wrote this: >> >> >> >> http://michna.com/jstoc.htm >> >> >I didn't like that filename, until I realised that it did not have a missing 'r'. > >> What's with the missing r? I have no clue. > >Most people will immediately read "jstoc" as short for "JavaScript Table of Contents", as no doubt you intended. > >But to me, "jstoc" first looked as being my first initial, followed by the first half of my surname - and I *never* refer to myself using my outer two initials. just as I never put my middle initial between my outer names - see sig (in fixed-pitch font) below ... > >I use "js-" to begin the filenames of JavaScript pages, with five characters following. Ah, I completely overlooked that. Consider the name of the proggie a tribute to your honor. (:-) Hans
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2019-08-28 23:59 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: FAQ |
| Message-ID | <gsobq2F66euU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #37157 |
Hans-Georg Michna: > On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 04:57:27 -0700 (PDT), > dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com wrote: > >> On Monday, 26 August 2019 12:35:06 UTC+1, Hans-Georg Michna wrote: > >>> I once wrote this: >>> >>> http://michna.com/jstoc.htm > >> I didn't like that filename, until I realised that it did not have a missing 'r'. >> >> You ask readers of that page to avoid using your Web site's version of jstoc.js repeatedly, but instead to take a copy to use. You can prevent them using your copy by adding to your code a test of location.href for matching the site's location. They can remove that test, but not from the copy on your site. > > What's with the missing r? I have no clue. jstoc.html could be misunderstood as "jrstoc.html" or "j.r.stockton"... -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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