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| Started by | Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2019-06-03 23:40 -0700 |
| Last post | 2019-06-06 13:07 +0200 |
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Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-03 23:40 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 00:14 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 00:22 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 00:25 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 00:35 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 00:49 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 00:57 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 00:57 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 01:38 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> - 2019-06-04 15:14 -0600
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 22:14 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> - 2019-06-05 13:32 -0600
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-05 13:07 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-06-04 19:09 +0100
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 12:10 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 12:44 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-05 14:19 +0200
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-05 13:03 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-06 10:26 +0200
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 12:24 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-06-05 01:21 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-05 02:52 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-06-06 07:38 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-05 14:15 +0200
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-06-04 12:50 +0200
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 09:14 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 09:27 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-06-04 18:52 +0200
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 12:35 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 12:51 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2019-06-05 10:33 +0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 22:28 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 23:22 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-05 15:58 +0200
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-05 13:00 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-05 13:04 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-06 10:29 +0200
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-06-05 21:07 +0200
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-05 13:02 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-06 10:30 +0200
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-06 01:46 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-06 01:57 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-06 11:21 +0200
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-06 02:33 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-06 13:04 +0200
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-06 09:28 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-09 14:39 +0200
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-06-06 18:45 +0100
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-06 12:32 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-06-06 13:02 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-06 02:24 -0700
Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-06 13:07 +0200
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| From | Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 01:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <839afbe5-3e80-4226-9476-b7da172e33a1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #36799 |
Den torsdag 6 juni 2019 kl. 10:30:53 UTC+2 skrev Arno Welzel: > On 05.06.19 22:02, Jonas Thörnvall wrote: > > [...] > > No the tools are not the problem Thomas.... > > Indeed - it's your attitude... > > > -- > Arno Welzel > https://arnowelzel.de Dealing with idiocies it is easy to get one, because when things do not make sense far to few people question them. They just go on do what ever they told no matter how stupid it actually is.
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| From | Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 01:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <aa69fd4e-89f2-4835-9ba0-c3e9050095e9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #36799 |
Den torsdag 6 juni 2019 kl. 10:30:53 UTC+2 skrev Arno Welzel: > On 05.06.19 22:02, Jonas Thörnvall wrote: > > [...] > > No the tools are not the problem Thomas.... > > Indeed - it's your attitude... > > > -- > Arno Welzel > https://arnowelzel.de Well i think my question after a way to split textchunks is fair. Because there is many people asking for it, they do not ask for frames or crossdomain iframes, they do not want to deal with the document hierarchy reaching documents. They want a ***single*** HTML document to be divided into logical textchunks that is put together by the browser after the HTTP request. Basicly linked textchunks.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 11:21 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <gls488FfkqgU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #36801 |
On 06.06.19 10:57, Jonas Thörnvall wrote: > Den torsdag 6 juni 2019 kl. 10:30:53 UTC+2 skrev Arno Welzel: >> On 05.06.19 22:02, Jonas Thörnvall wrote: >> >> [...] >>> No the tools are not the problem Thomas.... >> >> Indeed - it's your attitude... >> >> >> -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de > > Well i think my question after a way to split textchunks is fair. Sure - but when people try to explain that this propably needs additional tools since HTML itself does not provide such a feature, it is not helpful if you call them "moron". > Because there is many people asking for it, they do not ask for > frames or crossdomain iframes, they do not want to deal with the > document hierarchy reaching documents. > They want a ***single*** HTML document to be divided into logical > textchunks that is put together by the browser after the HTTP > request. Basicly linked textchunks. Well - there is a chunked transfer encoding in HTTP. But this will nevertheless still just deliver the same single HTML document which is just one piece of content. HTML itself does not have "logical textchunks". If you want to achieve this - for example multiple sections for easier navigation - you may either use anchors and a table of contents with links which is positioned absolute at the top of the viewport or you use DIV elements which are initially hidden except a title line and only display fully when clicking the title. That can be done either using CSS and the :focus selector combined with an element in the title which can get a focus or using JavaScript. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 02:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4ede76c1-62f4-4b92-9c8d-c8440d395313@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #36802 |
Den torsdag 6 juni 2019 kl. 11:21:19 UTC+2 skrev Arno Welzel: > On 06.06.19 10:57, Jonas Thörnvall wrote: > > > Den torsdag 6 juni 2019 kl. 10:30:53 UTC+2 skrev Arno Welzel: > >> On 05.06.19 22:02, Jonas Thörnvall wrote: > >> > >> [...] > >>> No the tools are not the problem Thomas.... > >> > >> Indeed - it's your attitude... > >> > >> > >> -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de > > > > Well i think my question after a way to split textchunks is fair. > > Sure - but when people try to explain that this propably needs > additional tools since HTML itself does not provide such a feature, it > is not helpful if you call them "moron". But that is the question i raise, do not ask for tools to split files or contrieved ways using crossdomain ifrarmes or local frames that comes with an document hierarchy, i ask for exactly what i stated in the topic of thread. ***Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents?*** > > Because there is many people asking for it, they do not ask for > > frames or crossdomain iframes, they do not want to deal with the > > document hierarchy reaching documents. > > They want a ***single*** HTML document to be divided into logical > > textchunks that is put together by the browser after the HTTP > > request. Basicly linked textchunks. > > Well - there is a chunked transfer encoding in HTTP. But this will > nevertheless still just deliver the same single HTML document which is > just one piece of content. Well it is all tcp packets when sent from server that are put together by browser. And as long what i ask for is feasible i really do not care for how it is implemented, and since we deal just fine with picture, it will work just fine with subtexts. It is just a simple matter of waiting until all chumks received before rendering in browser. > HTML itself does not have "logical textchunks". If you want to achieve > this - for example multiple sections for easier navigation - you may > either use anchors and a table of contents with links which is > positioned absolute at the top of the viewport or you use DIV elements > which are initially hidden except a title line and only display fully > when clicking the title. That can be done either using CSS and the > :focus selector combined with an element in the title which can get a > focus or using JavaScript. No i prefer have them as separate files so any editor can throw them up in tabs.... Well one could write an editor oneself to achieve it, but it does not seem the right way to go.... > > -- > Arno Welzel > https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 13:04 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <glsa98FgrcaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #36804 |
On 06.06.19 11:33, Jonas Thörnvall wrote: > Den torsdag 6 juni 2019 kl. 11:21:19 UTC+2 skrev Arno Welzel: [...] >> Sure - but when people try to explain that this propably needs >> additional tools since HTML itself does not provide such a feature, >> it is not helpful if you call them "moron". > > But that is the question i raise, do not ask for tools to split files > or contrieved ways using crossdomain ifrarmes or local frames that > comes with an document hierarchy, i ask for exactly what i stated in > the topic of thread. > > ***Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents?*** The answer is: no. And thus the discussion is over. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 09:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1686adfb-14e6-49f0-8dbc-50143c133679@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #36807 |
Den torsdag 6 juni 2019 kl. 13:04:18 UTC+2 skrev Arno Welzel: > On 06.06.19 11:33, Jonas Thörnvall wrote: > > > Den torsdag 6 juni 2019 kl. 11:21:19 UTC+2 skrev Arno Welzel: > [...] > >> Sure - but when people try to explain that this propably needs > >> additional tools since HTML itself does not provide such a feature, > >> it is not helpful if you call them "moron". > > > > But that is the question i raise, do not ask for tools to split files > > or contrieved ways using crossdomain ifrarmes or local frames that > > comes with an document hierarchy, i ask for exactly what i stated in > > the topic of thread. > > > > ***Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents?*** > > The answer is: no. > > And thus the discussion is over. > > > > -- > Arno Welzel > https://arnowelzel.de Well i can't resist, why?
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2019-06-09 14:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <gm4d0hF973bU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #36813 |
Jonas Thörnvall: > Den torsdag 6 juni 2019 kl. 13:04:18 UTC+2 skrev Arno Welzel: >> On 06.06.19 11:33, Jonas Thörnvall wrote: [...] >>> ***Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents?*** >> >> The answer is: no. >> >> And thus the discussion is over. > > Well i can't resist, why? There is simply no need for this. HTML is nowadays usually not used "offline" for single files to be edited manually and opened locally. And even if it is - then mostly only as a result of some authoring software which creates HTML files as a result of some editing process. The normal use of HTML is for documents served by some web server. And on a server you can easily run any kind of software to create HTML content using a CMS on the fly without any need to deal with large files manually. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 18:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <6akifet0651l156f4evk6amacv7r6bjhin@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #36804 |
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 02:33:05 -0700 (PDT), Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> wrote: <snip> >No i prefer have them as separate files so any editor can throw them up in tabs.... >Well one could write an editor oneself to achieve it, but it does not seem the right way to go.... We can now see what your problem is. Notepad++ won't let you have multiple tabs showing the same file. At best, if you right click on the tab and choose Clone To Other View you only get two tabs. If you choose Open In New Instance you get another instance of Notepad++ and you can do this many times, but it's awkward to choose an instance. You should email the author of Notepad++ with your complaint. John
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| From | Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 12:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <28980ac2-7150-410b-b3bd-9f63ae1e4bf3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #36814 |
Den torsdag 6 juni 2019 kl. 19:45:51 UTC+2 skrev John G Harris: > On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 02:33:05 -0700 (PDT), Jonas Thörnvall > <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> wrote: > > <snip> > >No i prefer have them as separate files so any editor can throw them up in tabs.... > >Well one could write an editor oneself to achieve it, but it does not seem the right way to go.... > > We can now see what your problem is. Notepad++ won't let you have > multiple tabs showing the same file. > > At best, if you right click on the tab and choose Clone To Other View > you only get two tabs. If you choose Open In New Instance you get > another instance of Notepad++ and you can do this many times, but it's > awkward to choose an instance. > > You should email the author of Notepad++ with your complaint. > > John No LoL John i do not think that is the problem, it is the problem you wish it were, no the problem is pretty much datadriven stupidity.
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| From | dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 13:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <db84c271-c75d-4ce9-b8c8-b21d824a7380@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #36814 |
On Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:45:51 UTC+1, John G Harris wrote: > You should email the author of Notepad++ with your complaint. So I thought I could mail <s>him</s> them about backups; but I've not yet found the address - perhaps someone could let me know it. I have, but rarely use, Notepad++. Jonas wrote "so any editor can throw them up in tabs...." - I edit in PFE (final, 1999) which has no tabs, so he's wrong. PFE does have floating sub-windows, which is better. -- (c) John Stockton, near London, UK. Using Google Groups. | Mail: J.R.""""""""@physics.org - or as Reply-To, if any. |
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| From | Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 02:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <cf378e9f-1985-4d30-8fd0-c0c3e6ebc21a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #36801 |
Den torsdag 6 juni 2019 kl. 10:57:20 UTC+2 skrev Jonas Thörnvall: > Den torsdag 6 juni 2019 kl. 10:30:53 UTC+2 skrev Arno Welzel: > > On 05.06.19 22:02, Jonas Thörnvall wrote: > > > > [...] > > > No the tools are not the problem Thomas.... > > > > Indeed - it's your attitude... > > > > > > -- > > Arno Welzel > > https://arnowelzel.de > > Well i think my question after a way to split textchunks is fair. Because there is many people asking for it, they do not ask for frames or crossdomain iframes, they do not want to deal with the document hierarchy reaching documents. > > They want a ***single*** HTML document to be divided into logical textchunks that is put together by the browser after the HTTP request. Basicly linked textchunks. https://www.google.com/search?q=how+can+i+split+a+html+file%3F&oq=how+can+i+split+a+html+file%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57j33l5.7583j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 13:07 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <glsagbFgtinU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #36803 |
On 06.06.19 11:24, Jonas Thörnvall wrote: > Den torsdag 6 juni 2019 kl. 10:57:20 UTC+2 skrev Jonas Thörnvall: [...] >> They want a ***single*** HTML document to be divided into logical >> textchunks that is put together by the browser after the HTTP >> request. Basicly linked textchunks. > > https://www.google.com/search?q=how+can+i+split+a+html+file%3F&oq=how+can+i+split+a+html+file%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57j33l5.7583j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Again - this has nothing to do with JavaScript. Followup to comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html - thank you. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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