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  FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "FAQ server" <javascript@dotinternet.be> - 2012-11-03 00:00 +0000
    Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-11-05 09:45 +0100
      Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-11-05 10:52 +0200
        Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-11-05 06:08 -0800
    Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2012-11-14 22:28 -0200
      Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-11-15 11:50 +0000
        Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2012-11-15 16:00 -0200
          Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-11-16 10:44 +0000
            Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "Joao Rodrigues (J.R.)" <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2012-11-16 14:08 -0200
              Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-11-17 10:02 +0000
                Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2012-11-17 14:01 -0200
      Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) Dr J R Stockton <reply1246@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-16 20:24 +0000
        Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-11-17 02:16 -0800
          Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2012-11-17 12:48 -0200
          Re: FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03) Dr J R Stockton <reply1246@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-18 19:20 +0000

#17025 — FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2012-11-03)

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Most javascript books have been found to contain so many technical
errors that consensus recommendations have not emerged from the group.

The following books have been considered to have value by some
individuals on c.l.js. The reviews of these books are provided:

* _"JavaScript: The Definitive Guide,"_ 5th Edition, by David Flanagan

  * Published: 2006-08

  * Pages: 1018

  * http://jibbering.com/faq/Errata: <URL: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596101992/errata/>

  * Discussed in:

      *
        FAQ Update 9.85 Dated 2007-08-31 [ref 1]

*
_"JavaScript, The Good Parts,"_ 1st Edition, by Douglas Crockford

  * Published: 2008-05

  * Pages: 170

  * http://jibbering.com/faq/Errata: <URL: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596517748/errata/>

  * Discussed in:

          *

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/d084d2109f7b4ec7#

          *

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/db1e49ab113aa05c/3987eac87ad27966#3987eac87ad27966

            *
              FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript? (2008-12-02) [ref 2]

            *
         	    Augmenting functions [ref 3]

            *

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/bf26be6e63494ee2/acb733a1c35f6ce5#ee9e4ee29e658d5d

            *
         	    Closures Explained [ref 4]

            *
         	    Javascript library development [ref 5]

References:
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[1] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/7283898f77fd2a66/9252aa024e058dea#c5f145ae807c918e
[2] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/6a41f7835ee728de/da5ccfc65e2df64a#da5ccfc65e2df64a
[3] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/3a08fb741525ab6d/
[4] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/df602506ee48b400/e65e00f5cad07676#e65e00f5cad07676
[5] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/acadf1b22b219433/4f69a95607d0b3ae#4f69a95607d0b3ae


The complete comp.lang.javascript FAQ is at
http://jibbering.com/faq/

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#17040

Am 03.11.2012 01:00, schrieb FAQ server:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript?
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Most javascript books have been found to contain so many technical
> errors that consensus recommendations have not emerged from the group.
> 
> The following books have been considered to have value by some
> individuals on c.l.js. The reviews of these books are provided:
> 
> * _"JavaScript: The Definitive Guide,"_ 5th Edition, by David Flanagan
> 
>   * Published: 2006-08

Is this just outdated data, or is the 5th edition better than the 6th?

/Str.

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#17041

2012-11-05 10:45, M. Strobel wrote:

>> * _"JavaScript: The Definitive Guide,"_ 5th Edition, by David Flanagan
>>
>>    * Published: 2006-08
>
> Is this just outdated data, or is the 5th edition better than the 6th?

It's outdated. The FAQ http://jibbering.com/faq/ hasn't been updated for 
over two years, since 2010-10-08.

-- 
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

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#17044

Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

> It's outdated. The FAQhttp://jibbering.com/faq/hasn't been updated for
> over two years, since 2010-10-08.

The c.l.js FAQ needs new maintainer. Garrett has stop maintaining the
FAQ since 2010. Someone have to start maintaining it. There were
proposals for wiki pages, but seems nobody realize that idea.

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#17252

On 02/11/2012 22:00, FAQ server wrote:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript?
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Most javascript books have been found to contain so many technical
> errors that consensus recommendations have not emerged from the group.
>
> The following books have been considered to have value by some
> individuals on c.l.js. The reviews of these books are provided:
>
> * _"JavaScript: The Definitive Guide,"_ 5th Edition, by David Flanagan
>

<snip>


> _"JavaScript, The Good Parts,"_ 1st Edition, by Douglas Crockford

This one seems to be a good book:
http://effectivejs.com/

-- 
Joao Rodrigues (J.R.)

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#17255

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 at 22:28:49, in comp.lang.javascript, J.R. wrote:
>On 02/11/2012 22:00, FAQ server wrote:
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> FAQ Topic - What books are recommended for javascript?
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Most javascript books have been found to contain so many technical
>> errors that consensus recommendations have not emerged from the group.
>>
>> The following books have been considered to have value by some
>> individuals on c.l.js. The reviews of these books are provided:
>>
>> * _"JavaScript: The Definitive Guide,"_ 5th Edition, by David Flanagan
>>
>
><snip>
>
>
>> _"JavaScript, The Good Parts,"_ 1st Edition, by Douglas Crockford
>
>This one seems to be a good book:
>http://effectivejs.com/

The author is said to be on the ECMA committee that standardises
JavaScript (sic). I wonder which standard that is ?

  John
-- 
John Harris

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#17261

On 15/11/2012 09:50, John G Harris wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 at 22:28:49, in comp.lang.javascript, J.R. wrote:

<snip>

>> This one seems to be a good book:
>> http://effectivejs.com/
>
> The author is said to be on the ECMA committee that standardises
> JavaScript (sic). I wonder which standard that is ?
>

Yes, I know it sounds weird for a introduction, but I think the book's 
author (David Herman) just wants to draw attention to this book using a 
colloquial style.

Even the ECMA TC39 page states that "ECMAScript™ is more commonly known 
by the name JavaScript™ [...]".

and

"The ECMAScript™ specification has been developed by Ecma TC39 whose 
membership includes all major browser vendors."

See <http://www.ecma-international.org/memento/TC39-M.htm>

Therefore, in a sense, we might say that the Ecma TC39 committee is 
responsible for the standardization of "JavaScript".


-- 
Joao Rodrigues (J.R.)

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#17265

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 at 16:00:17, in comp.lang.javascript, J.R. wrote:
>On 15/11/2012 09:50, John G Harris wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 at 22:28:49, in comp.lang.javascript, J.R. wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>> This one seems to be a good book:
>>> http://effectivejs.com/
>>
>> The author is said to be on the ECMA committee that standardises
>> JavaScript (sic). I wonder which standard that is ?
>>
>
>Yes, I know it sounds weird for a introduction, but I think the book's
>author (David Herman) just wants to draw attention to this book using a
>colloquial style.
>
>Even the ECMA TC39 page states that "ECMAScript™ is more commonly known
>by the name JavaScript™ [...]".
  <snip>

Strange. It puts a Trade Mark symbol after the name JavaScript in a
sentence the uses the word as though it's a generic name that has lost
it's Trade Mark status.

  John
-- 
John Harris

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#17266

Em 16/11/2012 08:44, John G Harris escreveu:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 at 16:00:17, in comp.lang.javascript, J.R. wrote:
>> On 15/11/2012 09:50, John G Harris wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 at 22:28:49, in comp.lang.javascript, J.R. wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> This one seems to be a good book:
>>>> http://effectivejs.com/
>>>
>>> The author is said to be on the ECMA committee that standardises
>>> JavaScript (sic). I wonder which standard that is ?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I know it sounds weird for a introduction, but I think the book's
>> author (David Herman) just wants to draw attention to this book using a
>> colloquial style.
>>
>> Even the ECMA TC39 page states that "ECMAScript™ is more commonly known
>> by the name JavaScript™ [...]".
>    <snip>
>
> Strange. It puts a Trade Mark symbol after the name JavaScript in a
> sentence the uses the word as though it's a generic name that has lost
> it's Trade Mark status.

I think that "JavaScript" is nowadays a trademark of Oracle Corporation 
(formerly was a trademark of Sun, formerly a trademark of Netscape).

Trademarks are not like copyright or patents, and I think there is no 
legal problem using the word "JavaScript", otherwise Mozilla, Google and 
even Microsoft would ban the word from their websites / applications docs.

<http://www.lawmart.com/forms/difference.htm>

--
Joao Rodrigues (J.R)

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#17275

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 at 14:08:44, in comp.lang.javascript, Joao Rodrigues
(J.R.) wrote:

  <snip>
>I think that "JavaScript" is nowadays a trademark of Oracle Corporation
>(formerly was a trademark of Sun, formerly a trademark of Netscape).
>
>Trademarks are not like copyright or patents, and I think there is no
>legal problem using the word "JavaScript", otherwise Mozilla, Google
>and even Microsoft would ban the word from their websites /
>applications docs.
>
><http://www.lawmart.com/forms/difference.htm>

Microsoft's web site says
"JavaScript - Internet Explorer 10 ... This documentation describes the
Microsoft implementation of JavaScript"  in
  <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d1et7k7c.aspx>
so it's selling a Microsoft product named 'JavaScript'.


I think this indicates, though IANAL, one of the following :
1. Microsoft uses the Mozilla code in IE (very unlikely).
2. Microsoft pays money to the Trade Mark owner (unlikely; MS doesn't
believe in giving money to competitors if it can avoid it).
3. Microsoft acts as though the word has lost its Trade Mark status (and
MS has the expensive lawyers needed to resist any complaint).

If number 3 turns out to be the case then Thomas Lahn will have to start
shouting " 'The' JavaScript language does not exist" every few days.

  John
-- 
John Harris

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#17281

On 17/11/2012 08:02, John G Harris wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 at 14:08:44, in comp.lang.javascript, Joao Rodrigues
> (J.R.) wrote:
>
>    <snip>
>> I think that "JavaScript" is nowadays a trademark of Oracle Corporation
>> (formerly was a trademark of Sun, formerly a trademark of Netscape).
>>
>> Trademarks are not like copyright or patents, and I think there is no
>> legal problem using the word "JavaScript", otherwise Mozilla, Google
>> and even Microsoft would ban the word from their websites /
>> applications docs.
>>
>> <http://www.lawmart.com/forms/difference.htm>
>
> Microsoft's web site says
> "JavaScript - Internet Explorer 10 ... This documentation describes the
> Microsoft implementation of JavaScript"  in
>    <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d1et7k7c.aspx>
> so it's selling a Microsoft product named 'JavaScript'.

This page is about "the Microsoft implementation of JavaScript, which is 
compliant with the ECMAScript Language Specification 5th Edition. It 
also provides additional features that are not included in the ECMA 
Standards". So they are not selling a M$ product.


> I think this indicates, though IANAL, one of the following :
> 1. Microsoft uses the Mozilla code in IE (very unlikely).
> 2. Microsoft pays money to the Trade Mark owner (unlikely; MS doesn't
> believe in giving money to competitors if it can avoid it).
> 3. Microsoft acts as though the word has lost its Trade Mark status (and
> MS has the expensive lawyers needed to resist any complaint).
>
> If number 3 turns out to be the case then Thomas Lahn will have to start
> shouting " 'The' JavaScript language does not exist" every few days.

Thomas is the "Sheldon Cooper" of c.l.js. :-) I appreciate his comments 
though.

-- 
Joao Rodrigues (J.R.)

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#17270

In comp.lang.javascript message <k81cvr$p7m$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Wed,
14 Nov 2012 22:28:49, J.R. <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> posted:


>This one seems to be a good book:
>http://effectivejs.com/

There can be no such thing as a "good book for JavaScript"
recommendation.  Some programmers need the "Dummies" style, as they will
not understand anything more grown-up.  Some will want only a collection
of examples.  Some will like the Flanagan style.  Some will want
something which follows ECMA 262 fairly closely, but expands everything
with sufficient discussion.  One will want just raw ECMA.

Anyone recommending a book should also describe it.

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK.  Mail via homepage.  Turnpike v6.05  MIME.
  Web  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQqish topics, acronyms and links;
  Astro stuff via astron-1.htm, gravity0.htm ; quotings.htm, pascal.htm, etc.
 No Encoding. Quotes before replies. Snip well. Write clearly. Don't Mail News.

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#17276

Dr J R Stockton wrote:

> Anyone recommending a book should also describe it.

The recommended book is not available on the market, yet. It is going
to be in the end of November.
The author has strong background with the language itself and in
researching area. He knows really well how the things work internally,
what is optimized and what not. That supposes the book would be great
for advanced developers.

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#17280

On 17/11/2012 08:16, Asen Bozhilov wrote:
> Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>
>> Anyone recommending a book should also describe it.
>
> The recommended book is not available on the market, yet. It is going
> to be in the end of November.
> The author has strong background with the language itself and in
> researching area. He knows really well how the things work internally,
> what is optimized and what not. That supposes the book would be great
> for advanced developers.
>

Asen, you have just captioned my thoughts :-) Thanks!
I follow David Herman on Twitter and that (what you wrote) was exactly 
what I had in my mind when I read about this book.

-- 
Joao Rodrigues (J.R.)

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#17299

In comp.lang.javascript message <b2858999-6fe6-4f9f-beb1-7b515fa4d02e@f1
7g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Sat, 17 Nov 2012 02:16:39, Asen Bozhilov
<asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> posted:

>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>
>> Anyone recommending a book should also describe it.
>
>The recommended book is not available on the market, yet. It is going
>to be in the end of November.
>The author has strong background with the language itself and in
>researching area. He knows really well how the things work internally,
>what is optimized and what not. That supposes the book would be great
>for advanced developers.

The URL given appears to link to what is no more than a puff written by
author, publisher, or associates.

Even for advanced developers, it is highly desirable also that the
author should be able to communicate effectively in writing; and that
can only be properly judged by real readers.

                        Looking at Amazon : I wish O'Reilly would name
                        their animals, birds, etc., on the FRONT covers.

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK.  For Mail, see Home Page.  Turnpike, WinXP.
 Web  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQ-type topics, acronyms, and links.
 Command-prompt MiniTrue is useful for viewing/searching/altering files. Free,
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